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    Default Now that S pass is over, is the gold roll reset to normal or still junk rolls?

    If you recall, they nerfed the gold rolls due to S pass daily rolls.

    Logically speaking since S pass is over it should reset to rolls that are worth it, but then again, is it?

    Because DDO usually when they do something, it usually takes an act of god to roll back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NemesisAlien View Post
    If you recall, they nerfed the gold rolls due to S pass daily rolls.

    Logically speaking since S pass is over it should reset to rolls that are worth it, but then again, is it?

    Because DDO usually when they do something, it usually takes an act of god to roll back.
    The last official rework of the daily dice tables was in April 2018, no? That was months before the season pass offer was released. I don't recall one post-pass. Can you link to something that confirms that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaeveTuohy View Post
    The last official rework of the daily dice tables was in April 2018, no? That was months before the season pass offer was released. I don't recall one post-pass. Can you link to something that confirms that?
    Correct, it was early 2018. Since then, the only changes have been bugfixes and the addition of cosmetics/tomes that have released between then and now.

    To my knowledge, we have never made changes to the Daily Dice tables for Season Pass related reasons.
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    The fact that some changes are necessary is not diminished by the fact that other necessary changes have not happened yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelstar View Post
    Correct, it was early 2018. Since then, the only changes have been bugfixes and the addition of cosmetics/tomes that have released between then and now.

    To my knowledge, we have never made changes to the Daily Dice tables for Season Pass related reasons.
    Hmn, not sure if answering "no change" or "yes change" can be explained in a positive way when someone states that the rewards from gold rolls are "junk", this thread is a catch 22.

    Anyway, in two years rolling I got a white stallion (100) and a cosmetic thinking cap (98).
    Rest wasn't worth it as double creature certificate, double cosmetics, double whatever or a +4 stat tome.

    Things I did use a lot where the xp boosts, the slayer count boosts.
    And then Bigby's Hand once in Tempest Spine to point out where to go.

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    has it been two years already? My, how time has flown!

    Gold rolls are ****. Ive spent thousands of shards, gotten only a couple 30% xp boosts, lots of slayer boosts, lots of cosmetics and the best tome I got was a +7 Charisma. +3 fate I guess too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelstar View Post
    Correct, it was early 2018. Since then, the only changes have been bugfixes and the addition of cosmetics/tomes that have released between then and now.

    To my knowledge, we have never made changes to the Daily Dice tables for Season Pass related reasons.
    Conspiracy theories aside, let's make gold rolls better!

    Of course, then that would solidify the conspiracy theory about season passes. =/ No win.

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    I'm always surprised at the scale of demanding people show.
    I guess that this is the result of capitalism : "You get my money, you owe me something". Everything becomes reduced into something equal to a given sum of money.
    No more lightheartedness, no humour, no belive in "that is a game" anymore.
    "Gamers", as they call themselves, do not believe in "game" anymore. To them, "game" and "playfulness" simply does not exist anymore because everything has become "a value of money".

    The next step will clearly be kindergarten kids demanding "something special" because their parents paid a fee for the kindergarten !

    On a philosophical level, that will to rurn anything that is "a game" into something that equals "a value of money" is something ... I realize that i have predicted that years ago, albeit in another contect. My philosophical approach then was , that everything that is not considered "a game" anymore, but instead rather as "a tool to generate money", that this belief can be seen as a watermak through corporate decisions. How a game is treated - as a game or as a tool - shows like a watermark a corporation's decision.

    On the other hand, the way "gamers" treat games can also be seen as a watermark : "Gamers" don't see daily dice rolls as a "game within a game" anymore - no ! The *demand" something from daily dice rolls !

    It is as if I was betting with "El Gordo" in Spain, but when I lose - meaning I don't get anything - I'd DEMAND from the lottery that I'd be given something equal to the value of my money !

    Meaning that "daily dice" is no more "dice", but instead "buying". The only difference in the minds of the "gamers" is this : "I buy something with the daily dice rolls but I just won't know what".

    Buy vs. game.


    Well, I'm thankful for not having lost my humour, then, and that I'm fully able to lAUGH over the - by other so-called - "junk" I get hrough those rolls !
    This way, I'm staying young and be able to get myself surprised !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alrik_Fassbauer View Post
    I'm always surprised at the scale of demanding people show.
    I guess that this is the result of capitalism : "You get my money, you owe me something". Everything becomes reduced into something equal to a given sum of money.
    No more lightheartedness, no humour, no belive in "that is a game" anymore.
    "Gamers", as they call themselves, do not believe in "game" anymore. To them, "game" and "playfulness" simply does not exist anymore because everything has become "a value of money".

    The next step will clearly be kindergarten kids demanding "something special" because their parents paid a fee for the kindergarten !

    On a philosophical level, that will to rurn anything that is "a game" into something that equals "a value of money" is something ... I realize that i have predicted that years ago, albeit in another contect. My philosophical approach then was , that everything that is not considered "a game" anymore, but instead rather as "a tool to generate money", that this belief can be seen as a watermak through corporate decisions. How a game is treated - as a game or as a tool - shows like a watermark a corporation's decision.

    On the other hand, the way "gamers" treat games can also be seen as a watermark : "Gamers" don't see daily dice rolls as a "game within a game" anymore - no ! The *demand" something from daily dice rolls !

    It is as if I was betting with "El Gordo" in Spain, but when I lose - meaning I don't get anything - I'd DEMAND from the lottery that I'd be given something equal to the value of my money !

    Meaning that "daily dice" is no more "dice", but instead "buying". The only difference in the minds of the "gamers" is this : "I buy something with the daily dice rolls but I just won't know what".

    Buy vs. game.


    Well, I'm thankful for not having lost my humour, then, and that I'm fully able to lAUGH over the - by other so-called - "junk" I get hrough those rolls !
    This way, I'm staying young and be able to get myself surprised !
    To an extent I do agree with you, but the Gold Rolls are perks that are part of a paid service. The fact that some of the prizes, at all levels, are items we often have no use for, or are cheap (DDO store-wise) yet appear in the higher level tiers is what many take issue with. Rolling a 99 on the Gold Roll and you get a decent xp gem + a sunflask... the Xp is ~nice~ but the flask is a single use, low damage item. It gets dragged and dropped in most cases (Guessing here.) That's like winning the Power Lotto and being awarded a nice handkerchief. Sure you could use it, but after you've done so, do you really want to put that sodden lump of snot back in your pocket? Single use item. The perk inferred from getting a Gold Roll isn't the XP- it's the item. DDO advertises these prizes for level: https://ddowiki.com/page/Daily_Dice

    I don't see a sunflask on there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelstar View Post
    Correct, it was early 2018. Since then, the only changes have been bugfixes and the addition of cosmetics/tomes that have released between then and now.

    To my knowledge, we have never made changes to the Daily Dice tables for Season Pass related reasons.

    How dare you throw a wet blanket on 1 of our conspiracies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NemesisAlien View Post
    If you recall, they nerfed the gold rolls due to S pass daily rolls.

    Logically speaking since S pass is over it should reset to rolls that are worth it, but then again, is it?

    Because DDO usually when they do something, it usually takes an act of god to roll back.
    What do you mean they nerfed gold rolls?! Did they announce that somewhere, or is it mere speculation?

    I did daily season pass rolls on every server for the last two years, and let me tell you I got WAY more 100s than I did 1s. Of 8 or 9 servers (when Hardcore was in play) that I rolled daily, normally 2 or 3 were in the mid to upper 90s. Very seldom did I not land at least one in the 90s, and I never had a single day where I didn’t roll at least a 75.

    From what I’ve seen, if they adjusted anything it was the exact opposite of a nerf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LightBear View Post
    Hmn, not sure if answering "no change" or "yes change" can be explained in a positive way when someone states that the rewards from gold rolls are "junk", this thread is a catch 22.

    Anyway, in two years rolling I got a white stallion (100) and a cosmetic thinking cap (98).
    Rest wasn't worth it as double creature certificate, double cosmetics, double whatever or a +4 stat tome.

    Things I did use a lot where the xp boosts, the slayer count boosts.
    And then Bigby's Hand once in Tempest Spine to point out where to go.
    I don’t know what you did to anger the DD gods, because my experiences have been the exact opposite.

    Maybe it’s because you didn’t roll every server every day like I did? I dunno.

    I do know that I’ve won 14 black or white fast stallions since they added those to the tables, and all those lesser, greater and sovereign discovery elixirs I rolled are all getting transferred back to my home server. I also have enough XP stones to do several heroic lives even though I’ve been feeding stones less than 4000xp to the toons rolling them. Btw, I can TR two of my roller toons now from all those smaller stones they’ve been eating. There are many other goodies like a plethora of Cannith Crafting essences/mats, beaucoup +7 & +8 ability tomes, all the highly desired pets like Joseph the Mini Scarecrow, so many actually useful pots like +3 Prowess...you name it. I’m sure I’m forgetting something here.

    All in all, I’d say that for price of the season pass, I definitely got way more than my money’s worth.

    Edit: Not that plat has any real value ingame anymore, but I rolled about 13-14 million in plat across the servers too.
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    This thread is like watching a gambler in Vegas insist that the pit boss force the blackjack dealer to give the losing gambler a win because he's been sitting there gambling and losing hand after hand after hand...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alrik_Fassbauer View Post
    I'm always surprised at the scale of demanding people show.
    "Gamers", as they call themselves, do not believe in "game" anymore. To them, "game" and "playfulness" simply does not exist anymore because everything has become "a value of money".
    These are very broad statements you have said about *everyone*. Care to back up in any way that *Gamers* are this way?

    No? Want to just keep beating up strawmen and feeling good about yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelstar View Post
    To my knowledge, we have never made changes to the Daily Dice tables for Season Pass related reasons.


    Classic Orwellian doublespeak.

    On the reals though the top end of the gold rolls there is some garbage items in there. i.e alchemical potions, sun flasks and probably some other stuff I can't remember since I haven't done a gold roll in 6 months. Seeing that quite a few times since the daily dice revamp some years ago. Enough to not have a want to ever do a gold roll.

    I also have a theory but is it of conspiracy or quantum entanglement? You decide. On more then one occasion across 2 accounts I have rolled the same number and received the same price on the same day within less then 10 mins of each other. I don't believe in coincidences.

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    I got on silver rolls a couple +2 racial tomes

    So since conspiracy folks follow personal stories and anecdotal information over statistics, let folks chew on that for a bit!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dnarth View Post
    I also have a theory but is it of conspiracy or quantum entanglement? You decide. On more then one occasion across 2 accounts I have rolled the same number and received the same price on the same day within less then 10 mins of each other. I don't believe in coincidences.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dnarth View Post
    I also have a theory but is it of conspiracy or quantum entanglement? You decide. On more then one occasion across 2 accounts I have rolled the same number and received the same price on the same day within less then 10 mins of each other. I don't believe in coincidences.
    I concur!! Whenever there's a post on the forums about gold rolls, I make a lucky strike on my VIP account. 10 minutes ago:

    (Standard): You obtain 15000 Experience Points, a +20 Lesser Heart of Wood, and a Pink Xorian Eye Certificate.
    (Standard): You rolled 100 on your Daily Dice and earned a Ultra Rare Items prize!

    I was totally expecting a sun flask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NemesisAlien View Post
    If you recall, they nerfed the gold rolls due to S pass daily rolls.

    Logically speaking since S pass is over it should reset to rolls that are worth it, but then again, is it?

    Because DDO usually when they do something, it usually takes an act of god to roll back.
    if i remember correctly you used to get sov xp pots which are no longer on the table since Spass.
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    (Standard): You rolled 93 on your Daily Dice and earned a Boosts prize!
    (Standard): You obtain 750 Experience Points, and a Greater Experience Elixir.

    Now if this was a gold roll I would be rolling in sun flasks.

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    Second account roll Lulz less than 5 mins from main account roll

    (Standard): You rolled 93 on your Daily Dice and earned a Boosts prize!
    (Standard): You obtain 750 Experience Points, and a Lesser Experience Elixir.

    Not the same prize. LULZ Conspiracy or Quantum Entanglement. You decide.

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