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    Default Why do so many escort NPCs have death wishes?

    Been working my way through Vale of Twilight and managed to get myself to the quest Ritual Sacrifice in the quest chain. Got most of the way through, then met up with the NPC wizard and figured, well, hopefully it wasn't going to be too bad of an es-

    Any thoughts of how this could possibly be a soloable quest went out the window as said NPC squishy wizard proceeded to Leeroy his way into the final section, dashing into the melee fray with his low HP, his nonexistent armor, and melee attacks. Against earth elementals and high level gnolls, he almost made it to the end but not even a quick trigger finger could save him from his own stupidity. I'm going to go back in on Casual and hope for the clear, but yeesh...

    I don't have anything against escort missions, honest. But for the love of anything, a squishy caster shouldn't go look at a bunch of hard-as-nails melee and ranged fighters and think the best idea is to simply charge in and start using physical attacks in close range. Maybe you could tweak his health a bit higher, maybe give him some better defense, maybe code him to stick near the PC instead of just screaming YOLO and charging into melee like a ninny? Or maybe make it optional that he survives the encounters or something?

    Why do so many NPCs in escort missions do stupid stuff like this, anyways? "Oh, you have to keep me alive. Please excuse me while I jump into melee with no armor and a quarterstaff against big, metal-clad opponents who will feed me my own guts in three swings!" It's just frustrating... how do I keep them alive? I can't invis this one, he insists on attacking and it's impossible to just keep him healed and keep the enemies off of him...

    ...how do I code a hireling to watch over and heal an escort target? Or something, or anything?

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    Just look at it as a challenge.

    I mean, all players want "unlimited powah", and now you've got to protect a weakling. Sends you back to earth from the clouds of your "unlimited powah" dreams. Delusions of grandeur.

    Getting drawn back to earth can be very healthy sometimes, because losing contact to the earth ... "Huston, we have a problem ..."
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    I suggest giving NPCs soulstones and spirits. Then we can raise them again like each other or our hirelings.

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    I HATE escort quests - here and on Hobbit-side, mainly for exactly the reason you've stated.
    Recently, a few have changed so that when the NPC is under agro, they shell up defensively until you handle the attackers. Those are okay.


    Quote Originally Posted by CritKitteh View Post
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    ...how do I code a hireling to watch over and heal an escort target? Or something, or anything?
    Hard target your NPC, then click the *shield* box on the hireling's toolbar. It'll be the box that you usually use to tell them to interact with a door or lever, but changes when you have another player or an NPC targeted.
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    Dying all the time is how NPCs feel alive.

    :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlimsyFirewood View Post
    Dying all the time is how NPCs feel alive.

    :P
    yeah hahahah

    i can hear the npc scream "you will remember my name!!!"


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    This is a tricky quest at the end to solo, but there is a very obvious solution.

    Each barrier is held up by Windlasher Mystics, when all of the Mystics are dead the barrier comes down and the NPC runs forward.

    Keep at least one of the Mystics alive until you are ready to move forward with the NPC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valerianus View Post
    yeah hahahah

    i can hear the npc scream "you will remember my name!!!"


    Not to mention "witness me!"
    I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was, now what's it is weird and scary to me.

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    btw, our beloved Paetus, he stops being a problem when the party can brutally out-dps the mobs and you leave him behind.

    unleash him and kill everything quick and leave him behind.

    also, sorta related, in latin Paetus is a sort of surname [latin: cognomen (hereditary nickname) italian:cognome(surname)] of some sort, some recorded historically relevant people had it, BUT, it literally means fart (latin: paetus italian: peto) and that's a nice and fitting example of "nomen omen" about his contribution to the quest.
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    Suggestions for soloing the Paetus fight:

    1. Bring a healer hireling
    2. Set the healer hireling to "defend" Paetus (target Paetus and click the "use" button on the hireling, it should switch to a shield when you have him targeted). This orders the hireling to follow Paetus and heal him.
    3. When you finish the first room, it opens a hall where there are three gnoll archers. Kill TWO of them (any champions, obviously), and leave the THIRD one. Paetus will stop in the door and very inefficiently try to kill this gnoll archer, which does very minimal damage to him, easily healed by your healer hirelng.
    4. Race ahead and hack your way to the end.

    All you really have to worry about with this method is keeping him alive through the first room, which you can usually manage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoBlonde View Post
    Suggestions for soloing the Paetus fight:

    1. Bring a healer hireling
    2. Set the healer hireling to "defend" Paetus (target Paetus and click the "use" button on the hireling, it should switch to a shield when you have him targeted). This orders the hireling to follow Paetus and heal him.
    3. When you finish the first room, it opens a hall where there are three gnoll archers. Kill TWO of them (any champions, obviously), and leave the THIRD one. Paetus will stop in the door and very inefficiently try to kill this gnoll archer, which does very minimal damage to him, easily healed by your healer hirelng.
    4. Race ahead and hack your way to the end.

    All you really have to worry about with this method is keeping him alive through the first room, which you can usually manage.
    On Normal and maybe Hard I can see this working but on Elite even one Archer will surely kill him before you get to the boss unless you have a decently high amount of DPS yourself right?

    Also - To do this make sure you have enough self-healing to get yourself to the boss {and defeat said boss} because your hireling won't be able to cover you and if you call the hire to you obviously Paetus is in serious danger from that gnoll archer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FranOhmsford View Post
    On Normal and maybe Hard I can see this working but on Elite even one Archer will surely kill him before you get to the boss unless you have a decently high amount of DPS yourself right?

    Also - To do this make sure you have enough self-healing to get yourself to the boss {and defeat said boss} because your hireling won't be able to cover you and if you call the hire to you obviously Paetus is in serious danger from that gnoll archer.


    if you cannot handle elite play lower diff

    last time i played this quest, 4 days ago, R1 full party, we devastated the mobs and paetus was not able to even follow us. very safe for him.

    hate to be that guy, some elitist guy that i am not, but that's it.

    reaper1 is easier than elite btw by design
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valerianus View Post
    if you cannot handle elite play lower diff
    The game promotes Elite play through Favour!

    If the OP is VIP and only wants to run each quest once they have the right to at least attempt doing Elite first right!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Valerianus View Post
    last time i played this quest, 4 days ago, R1 full party, we devastated the mobs and paetus was not able to even follow us. very safe for him.
    The New Player who posted this thread was clearly talking about soloing - Maybe they can't find a group to run Vale these days? {I know I haven't been able to run Rainbow on my THF Fighter on Wayfinder because I can't find anyone to run it with me!}.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valerianus View Post
    hate to be that guy, some elitist guy that i am not, but that's it.
    Before you start on me I'm fully capable of running Rit Sac on Elite SOLO! {Toon dependant obviously}.

    I'm just adding a caveat or two to Psychoblonde's post from my own experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valerianus View Post
    reaper1 is easier than elite btw by design
    Which I've complained about many a time!

    Reaper was supposed to be a difficulty level to challenge the players bored of Elite NOT another treadmill!

    And certainly NOT a replacement for Elite which it has become!

    P.S. Reaper is only easier than Elite when you have a decent amount of Reaper points and it takes quite a few runs of Reaper quests to even get 3 or 4 {I have no character with more than 2!}.

    Obviously soloing Reaper is also only easier than Elite when you have a SERIOUS amount of self-healing as even on R1 pots are quite frankly USELESS!

    If the OP is going to be leaving his/her hireling with Paetus they're going to be relying on self-healing {and in R1 that's Heal Scrolls etc. NOT pots!}.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FranOhmsford View Post
    The game promotes Elite play through Favour!

    If the OP is VIP and only wants to run each quest once they have the right to at least attempt doing Elite first right!?!



    The New Player who posted this thread was clearly talking about soloing - Maybe they can't find a group to run Vale these days? {I know I haven't been able to run Rainbow on my THF Fighter on Wayfinder because I can't find anyone to run it with me!}.



    Before you start on me I'm fully capable of running Rit Sac on Elite SOLO! {Toon dependant obviously}.

    I'm just adding a caveat or two to Psychoblonde's post from my own experience.



    Which I've complained about many a time!

    Reaper was supposed to be a difficulty level to challenge the players bored of Elite NOT another treadmill!

    And certainly NOT a replacement for Elite which it has become!

    P.S. Reaper is only easier than Elite when you have a decent amount of Reaper points and it takes quite a few runs of Reaper quests to even get 3 or 4 {I have no character with more than 2!}.

    Obviously soloing Reaper is also only easier than Elite when you have a SERIOUS amount of self-healing as even on R1 pots are quite frankly USELESS!

    If the OP is going to be leaving his/her hireling with Paetus they're going to be relying on self-healing {and in R1 that's Heal Scrolls etc. NOT pots!}.


    being a VIP does not entitle you to auto-beat the game in elite solo. it's a MMO. you want to solo? sure, be able to take the heat solo. they have the right to attempt, not the right to win. don't talk about wayfinder, that's a dead server it should not exist, thank ssg it still exist. no wonder there's no lfm. sad but true. i don't want to start on you, you play no role. i talk in general.

    what you say about reaper, i agree you know. and a real lot of players agree, the reaper exp\trees were a big mistake, but it kept the game running. but, being realistic, looking at the game as it is now, reaper is not an option. no matter if the devs say the game is not balanced on reaper. that's a lie. a little lie. hey look at borderlands. what can you get? a lvl1 ghost touch? why? cause reaper. what else. and that's actually nice cause the alternative involves crafting\event stuff, not readily available as buy a pack. (i don't care cause i have maxed craft btw and i have aug)

    soloing reaper? yeah i was talking about it, that's the point, you are supposed to have past lives e.g.paladin for heal amp and you are supposed to have some reapr points. the game wants you to. it's gullible to think this is not the case in my humble opinion.


    EDIT: sorry OP we are derailing the thread, i'm out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlimsyFirewood View Post
    Dying all the time is how NPCs feel alive.

    :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valerianus View Post
    being a VIP does not entitle you to auto-beat the game in elite solo. it's a MMO. you want to solo? sure, be able to take the heat solo. they have the right to attempt, not the right to win. don't talk about wayfinder, that's a dead server it should not exist, thank ssg it still exist. no wonder there's no lfm. sad but true. i don't want to start on you, you play no role. i talk in general.
    I never said anything about "auto-beat the game"! That's your Strawman!

    Psychoblonde posted a write up of how you can solo Rit Sac and keep Paetus alive - I simply added a couple of caveats considering the OP is a new player who hasn't run Vale before!

    Until the Devs get the mega-server up and running Wayfinder wlll continue to exist and I just used my experience there to note that groups are not always available ON ANY SERVER - There's many times I've had to run Vale Solo due to no groups being available on ALL Servers! {tbf I usually have to SKIP Rainbow!}.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valerianus View Post
    soloing reaper? yeah i was talking about it, that's the point, you are supposed to have past lives e.g.paladin for heal amp and you are supposed to have some reapr points. the game wants you to. it's gullible to think this is not the case in my humble opinion.
    The OP doesn't have past lives however - We're talking about and to a NEW PLAYER here!

    You brought up Reaper - I simply posted why that clearly isn't an option for the OP to Solo - Though they might have more luck finding an R1 group for Vale but only if they're still within the level range....Which they may not be...They could be Lvl 22 or 23 and trying to solo Rit Sac in a non-maxed first destiny!

    Quote Originally Posted by Valerianus View Post
    EDIT: sorry OP we are derailing the thread, i'm out.
    I don't consder this a "derail" - Though I haven't responded to the paragraph not relevant to the OP's question

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valerianus View Post
    yeah hahahah

    i can hear the npc scream "you will remember my name!!!"


    FAME! I'm going to live foreveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer.... *falls off a cliff. thud*

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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoBlonde View Post
    Suggestions for soloing the Paetus fight:

    1. Bring a healer hireling
    2. Set the healer hireling to "defend" Paetus (target Paetus and click the "use" button on the hireling, it should switch to a shield when you have him targeted). This orders the hireling to follow Paetus and heal him.
    3. When you finish the first room, it opens a hall where there are three gnoll archers. Kill TWO of them (any champions, obviously), and leave the THIRD one. Paetus will stop in the door and very inefficiently try to kill this gnoll archer, which does very minimal damage to him, easily healed by your healer hirelng.
    4. Race ahead and hack your way to the end.

    All you really have to worry about with this method is keeping him alive through the first room, which you can usually manage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoBlonde View Post
    2. Set the healer hireling to "defend" Paetus (target Paetus and click the "use" button on the hireling, it should switch to a shield when you have him targeted). This orders the hireling to follow Paetus and heal him.
    I never had this idea before, to make a Hireling "use" an NPC ... That's a great idea ... I wonder whether this works on a certain digging site ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlimsyFirewood View Post
    Dying all the time is how NPCs feel alive.

    :P
    Dispatch a global announcement every time someone fails an escort quest... :P

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