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    Default how possible is a VIstani dagger build with vile alchemist?

    Is this a good synergy? 2 weapon dagger? go pure Alchemist? INT ? DEX?
    List any ideas or builds please.

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    Probably comparable to a Vistani EK, albeit with a different healing style and without the stance keeping everything close-range.

    Shot in the dark: 25ish points Vistani (core 4, celerity, double daggers, mist stalker) + 12 points Harper (int to hit/damage) + 41 VC (t5s, capstone). Pure alch and pure wiz get similar perks from capstone and the latter is worthwhile, so no reason the former shouldn't be

    Both SWF and TWF are supported reasonably well. Damage is better with TWF due to more on-hit poison damage (plus vistani's 20% offhand strike boost), survival is better SWF thanks to alchemist orb perks. If you want to go more hybrid-y, probably SWF for the caster gear slot. Regardless, mix in Silverthread Belt for poison damage and heals

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    Quote Originally Posted by SatansToupee View Post
    Is this a good synergy? 2 weapon dagger? go pure Alchemist? INT ? DEX?
    List any ideas or builds please.
    I’m doing it right now.

    step 1) pretend you’re an Inquisitive for taking feats, but add Multitude of Missiles and drop Quick Draw (granted by vistani tree)
    step 2) don’t pick up a throwing dagger until level 18 at least. Your AoE vial spells will carry you to 18/20
    step 3) start chucking daggers at level 20 when you finally get your epic destinies to make throwers more useable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Discpsycho View Post
    Probably comparable to a Vistani EK, albeit with a different healing style and without the stance keeping everything close-range.

    Shot in the dark: 25ish points Vistani (core 4, celerity, double daggers, mist stalker) + 12 points Harper (int to hit/damage) + 41 VC (t5s, capstone). Pure alch and pure wiz get similar perks from capstone and the latter is worthwhile, so no reason the former shouldn't be

    Both SWF and TWF are supported reasonably well. Damage is better with TWF due to more on-hit poison damage (plus vistani's 20% offhand strike boost), survival is better SWF thanks to alchemist orb perks. If you want to go more hybrid-y, probably SWF for the caster gear slot. Regardless, mix in Silverthread Belt for poison damage and heals
    Don’t need Harper for Vile Chemist throwers except for Know the Angles since you get all of the Int to Att and Dam from VC. Have to decide if KtA by itself is worth 12 AP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HungarianRhapsody View Post
    I’m doing it right now.
    step 1) pretend you’re an Inquisitive for taking feats, but add Multitude of Missiles and drop Quick Draw (granted by vistani tree)
    Alchemists get Multitude of Missiles for free at level 6. You probably meant Simple Throwing Expertise.

    Quote Originally Posted by HungarianRhapsody View Post
    Don’t need Harper for Vile Chemist throwers except for Know the Angles since you get all of the Int to Att and Dam from VC. Have to decide if KtA by itself is worth 12 AP.
    You get Int to Att and Dam not from VC, but from an Alchemist bonus feat (Battalion Brew).
    KtA is worth 7-8 AP, especially for a build with maxed INT.


    My build for Vile Chemist Vistani Thrower:
    18 alchemist (for 6 coating dice and 5th core), 1 rogue (for trap skills), 1 barbarian (for fast movement)

    AP: 41 Vistani (capstone, T5), 31 VC (T4, core 5), 8 Harper (KtA); if you have Universal Tome, 1 AP Rogue Mechanic for +5m sneak range

    Vistani capstone seems better than VC capstone.
    Regarding T5 you have to choose either VC T5 without KtA or Vistani T5 with KtA; The latter seems better to me, ymmv.
    You get Int to hit/damage and Evasion as Alchemist bonus feats.
    You get Insightful Reflexes and Multitude of Missiles for free as Alchemist.
    Don't need to pump Dex for Simple Throwing Expertise, because VC 4th core allows you to use INT instead.

    Level up as Inquisitive till at least 15.
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    Quote Originally Posted by magaiti View Post
    Alchemists get Multitude of Missiles for free at level 6. You probably meant Simple Throwing Expertise.

    You get Int to Att and Dam not from VC, but from an Alchemist bonus feat (Battalion Brew).
    KtA is worth 7-8 AP, especially for a build with maxed INT.


    My build for Vile Chemist Vistani Thrower:
    18 alchemist (for 6 coating dice and 5th core), 1 rogue (for trap skills), 1 barbarian (for fast movement)

    AP: 41 Vistani (capstone, T5), 31 VC (T4, core 5), 8 Harper (KtA); if you have Universal Tome, 1 AP Rogue Mechanic for +5m sneak range

    Vistani capstone seems better than VC capstone.
    Regarding T5 you have to choose either VC T5 without KtA or Vistani T5 with KtA; The latter seems better to me, ymmv.
    You get Int to hit/damage and Evasion as Alchemist bonus feats.
    You get Insightful Reflexes and Multitude of Missiles for free as Alchemist.
    Don't need to pump Dex for Simple Throwing Expertise, because VC 4th core allows you to use INT instead.

    Level up as Inquisitive till at least 15.
    That'll teach me to give advice early in the morning. Thank you for correcting the parts where I was all jumbled up.
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