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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakhmateill View Post
    Hey i'm also going to TR soon into this build to change my gameplay and try new stuff, i'm also very interested in base stats.

    Cause if I remember good, you need a minimum INT to cast self heals no ?
    This answer is going to be subjective, depending most heavily on tomes. Gear and guild level also matter a little, but those can be worked around. Racial Past Lives can also help a little

    You're correct that all caster classes require 10+(spell level) in that main casting stat. Lesser Death Aura is a second level spell and Death Aura is fourth, so you need 12 int by level 3 and 14 by level 7.

    Guild buffs grant a stacking +2 to all stats, so even if you dump Int you'll have at least 10. Tomes grant a +2 bonus at level 1, +3 by level 3 and +4 by level 7, so if you have a +4 tome you don't need to worry about gear or Racial PLs.

    If you don't have any tomes or RPLs, you can still easily cover these bases with gear. +2 ability gear is easily obtainable at level 3 from the auction house or quest drops, and the same is true of +4 gear at level 7. In the short term, you can chug Potions of Fox's Cunning or use a wand - these have 5 min durations so they'll be kind of a pain, but it's yet another option

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    Quote Originally Posted by Discpsycho View Post
    This answer is going to be subjective, depending most heavily on tomes. Gear and guild level also matter a little, but those can be worked around. Racial Past Lives can also help a little

    You're correct that all caster classes require 10+(spell level) in that main casting stat. Lesser Death Aura is a second level spell and Death Aura is fourth, so you need 12 int by level 3 and 14 by level 7.

    Guild buffs grant a stacking +2 to all stats, so even if you dump Int you'll have at least 10. Tomes grant a +2 bonus at level 1, +3 by level 3 and +4 by level 7, so if you have a +4 tome you don't need to worry about gear or Racial PLs.

    If you don't have any tomes or RPLs, you can still easily cover these bases with gear. +2 ability gear is easily obtainable at level 3 from the auction house or quest drops, and the same is true of +4 gear at level 7. In the short term, you can chug Potions of Fox's Cunning or use a wand - these have 5 min durations so they'll be kind of a pain, but it's yet another option
    Hello, thanks for the answer.

    I tried 18/8/18/10/6/13 , I'm +8 tomed + Guild buffs & PL's ( heroic, epic, racial ).

    I was just wondering how it could work, but I thought 10 + tomes was enough to cast some spells.

    I will try to reach 30 quickly to be able to farm some stuff, atm i'm quite lost because i'm only playing casters or inquis on every build, but it's funny. The only thing I learnt doing first levels is that it's pretty gear dependant, and will force me to get some strong stuff as soon as I'm 30 ( I've got correct stuff to lvl 26 ).

    We'll see, anyway thanks for this refreshing build. Looks like i'm gonna play DDO in a totally different way that i'm used to, and it's pretty exciting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe33 View Post
    Why STR instead of INT based? You might've gone over it and I missed it or it might be a very dumb question but is having 2 primary stats worth the 12AP in harper tree saved?
    Hey! There are many reasons, build and equipment dependent.

    I will try to explain the main ones.
    1) Confront any foe. I think it’s a must have for any THF toon. To be honest, without caf THF actually sucks: glancing blows damage is almost irrelevant, cleaves don’t doublestrike etc etc.
    So you need to invest heavily on Charisma, to get at least 40+ attempts per rest. INT and CHA have no synergies.
    2) Even maxing INT, DC casting will be useless (in high skulls content). To be able to land your spells, you will need a dedicated equip (spell focus, insightful spell focus, quality spell focus, profane, filigree bonuses etc) and dedicated choices (feats, destiny, twists etc). That will destroy your melee damage.
    3) There are only 2 artifacts with quality accuracy and quality deadly at the present time (STR and WIS). Divine Might makes your gear tetris more easy.

    I made the simplest choices: CHA for Confront any foe, Cleric for Turn Undead and Divine Might, Brand of Kalok Shash as artifact.
    Sometimes the right choice is the easy choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Rakhmateill View Post
    Cause if I remember good, you need a minimum INT to cast self heals no ?
    True. I can rely on +8 tomes and +6 INT from completionist and racial completionist so I just dumped that stat. Please note that I cannot self heal on this build, excluding raids.
    In r10 quests, I would need at least 40 Reconstruct spells to fill my hp bar…

    That's actually the main reason why this build is not for soloing. I was able to complete the most difficult quests (like toee pt2, slavers pt 3, soul survivor etc) in tandem with a friend, but I can’t close a r10 quest without support.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rakhmateill View Post
    We'll see, anyway thanks for this refreshing build. Looks like i'm gonna play DDO in a totally different way that i'm used to, and it's pretty exciting.
    Great, I’m happy to hear that! I really like DDO because it offers almost endless possibilities for custom builds and playstyle
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    This was such a massive help! Thank you for clearing that up. I am currently level 12 and loving it btw.
    If you didn't have completionist what would you take in place of that feat out of curiosity? I ended up taking cleave and don't think i regret it so far in lower heroics. Might switch out later.
    Killer build and thanks again for getting me out of inquis XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe33 View Post
    If you didn't have completionist what would you take in place of that feat out of curiosity? I ended up taking cleave and don't think i regret it so far in lower heroics.
    Cleave and Great Cleave are likely good options in heroics. I play almost exclusively in endgame, and in this scenario Cleave is 100% useless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilga1 View Post
    Hey! There are many reasons, build and equipment dependent.

    I will try to explain the main ones.
    1) Confront any foe. I think it’s a must have for any THF toon. To be honest, without caf THF actually sucks: glancing blows damage is almost irrelevant, cleaves don’t doublestrike etc etc.
    So you need to invest heavily on Charisma, to get at least 40+ attempts per rest. INT and CHA have no synergies.
    2) Even maxing INT, DC casting will be useless (in high skulls content). To be able to land your spells, you will need a dedicated equip (spell focus, insightful spell focus, quality spell focus, profane, filigree bonuses etc) and dedicated choices (feats, destiny, twists etc). That will destroy your melee damage.
    3) There are only 2 artifacts with quality accuracy and quality deadly at the present time (STR and WIS). Divine Might makes your gear tetris more easy.

    I made the simplest choices: CHA for Confront any foe, Cleric for Turn Undead and Divine Might, Brand of Kalok Shash as artifact.
    Sometimes the right choice is the easy choice



    True. I can rely on +8 tomes and +6 INT from completionist and racial completionist so I just dumped that stat. Please note that I cannot self heal on this build, excluding raids.
    In r10 quests, I would need at least 40 Reconstruct spells to fill my hp bar…

    That's actually the main reason why this build is not for soloing. I was able to complete the most difficult quests (like toee pt2, slavers pt 3, soul survivor etc) in tandem with a friend, but I can’t close a r10 quest without support.



    Great, I’m happy to hear that! I really like DDO because it offers almost endless possibilities for custom builds and playstyle
    Many thanks for all the answer. My friend did your friend's build ( bard ) and we'll try this out very soon.

    Have a good game

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    THF paladin seems to have better damage(average).
    It does not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilga1 View Post
    Hey, sure!
    1 Adamantine Body, 3 Completionist, 6 Power Attack, 9 THF, 12 ITHF, 15 IC Slashing, 18 Extra turning, BW Quicken, BW Extend, BW Mental Toughness, BW Improved Mental Toughness, 21 OC, 24 GTHF, 26 PTWF, 27 Epic DR, 28 PTHF, 29 Dire Charge, 30 Construct Exemplar, L Scion of Arborea
    Any suggestions on turning it into a TWF build? Can a fleshy race be done or is it better to stay WF/BF?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrian69 View Post
    Any suggestions on turning it into a TWF build? Can a fleshy race be done or is it better to stay WF/BF?
    As Gilga said depends what diff u play and if u have an healer.
    Undead form can self heal until r5-6 , max r8
    robot can self heal good till r5
    Fleshies no undead near no self heal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilga1 View Post
    Inquis can ruin your gaming experience. While waiting for a nerf, to get rid of I usually let them die before grabbing aggro.
    I don't know if anyone else pointed this out, but this was my favorite part of your post. Almost spit out my coffee. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alled78 View Post
    As Gilga said depends what diff u play and if u have an healer.
    Undead form can self heal until r5-6 , max r8
    robot can self heal good till r5
    Fleshies no undead near no self heal
    Last thing I ran before I TRd was 16 sorc/3 bard/1 FvS swf EK. I'd planned on wizard ek next. Undead changes have thrown me off because I didn't make it to Lamma to check it out, so I'm not sure what it can do, yet, nor do I know anyone personally playing a PM that I'm actually going to take their word on it. I just didn't want to waste time if I can't make it through epic R3-R7 solo with it. I have spent out 3 days running through ideas in the planner. None I've liked. I just haven't thought about dumping int for str, which is smart actually. I may do both now.

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    Could you write a full guide what feats/enhancements to pick for a first lifer 32?
    Would love to see the same guide for your duo friend as both of your builds look awesome!!

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    Heyyy I noticed you take stunning on some of your equipment, did you take stunning blow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyOnHigh View Post
    Could you write a full guide what feats/enhancements to pick for a first lifer 32?
    Would love to see the same guide for your duo friend as both of your builds look awesome!!
    Hey. My feats were 1 Adamantine Body, 3 Completionist, 6 Power Attack, 9 THF, 12 ITHF, 15 IC Slashing, 18 Extra turning, BW Quicken, BW Extend, BW Mental Toughness, BW Improved Mental Toughness, 21 OC, 24 GTHF, 26 PTWF, 27 Epic DR, 28 PTHF, 29 Dire Charge, 30 Construct Exemplar, L Scion of Arborea.
    You can swap completionist for something else... Toughness, or Cleave for leveling.
    Regarding enhancements, 42 points in EK and 4 in Warpriest are mandatory. Probably I will keep WF (15) and I will drop No Mercy from Falconry.
    You can still invest 12 in Falconry for sprint boost and hp, 4 in Ravager and last point free.

    Quote Originally Posted by polymath View Post
    Heyyy I noticed you take stunning on some of your equipment, did you take stunning blow?
    Hey. No, I don't like stunning blow. Stunning is only for dire charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilga1 View Post
    Hey. My feats were 1 Adamantine Body, 3 Completionist, 6 Power Attack, 9 THF, 12 ITHF, 15 IC Slashing, 18 Extra turning, BW Quicken, BW Extend, BW Mental Toughness, BW Improved Mental Toughness, 21 OC, 24 GTHF, 26 PTWF, 27 Epic DR, 28 PTHF, 29 Dire Charge, 30 Construct Exemplar, L Scion of Arborea.
    You can swap completionist for something else... Toughness, or Cleave for leveling.
    Regarding enhancements, 42 points in EK and 4 in Warpriest are mandatory. Probably I will keep WF (15) and I will drop No Mercy from Falconry.
    You can still invest 12 in Falconry for sprint boost and hp, 4 in Ravager and last point free.



    Hey. No, I don't like stunning blow. Stunning is only for dire charge.
    To be honest, without caf THF actually sucks: glancing blows damage is almost irrelevant, cleaves don’t doublestrike etc etc.
    So what's the point in taking PTHF at 28?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onetunge View Post
    So what's the point in taking PTHF at 28?
    Probably for epic defensive fighting, which is auto granted at L21.

    Adds a 5% Competence Bonus to maximum Hit Points, with an additional 5% for every combat fighting style feat you have, to a maximum of 25%.
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    For your LGS ooze/dust which slot did you craft it on ? Just curious how you set that up for debuffing

    I’m new to LGS so not to familiar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polymath View Post
    For your LGS ooze/dust which slot did you craft it on ? Just curious how you set that up for debuffing
    I’m new to LGS so not to familiar.
    Hey. LGS ooze and LGS dust are weapon bonus effects, so you need weapons to craft them. Any is fine.
    Equip LGS ooze and LGS dust weapons, cast death aura. Done. Swap to your regular weapon and fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilga1 View Post
    Warforged: +15 mp, Improved Power Attack, PRR and I like Bloodrage Chrism on THF robot builds to get healing amp + repair amp (maxing incoming healing hands and so on).

    • Offense and Utility spells: they should not be underestimated. Otto Irresistible Dance, Power words, Sleet Storm (FoM on cloak), Haste+Displacement, Tenser when needed, Dimension Door etc etc. You miss the DCs and spell pen, but you are still a lvl 18 spellcaster. With quicken.
    • Baz’ Morath is a big and ugly weapon.
    Awesome build! Will probably use something about like this for my next life

    Couple questions if you still check this thread

    Did you consider Gnome/Deep Gnome? I'm really fond of Color Spray for hitting the majority of mobs in DDO (especially the blind, which gets a lot of stun/dance immune stuff). Slightly worse DPS, but I'd expect the early levels to be smoother and you can go Iconic if you want to get the EK T5 immediately. Small model loses cleave range though, which hurts.

    Where do you use Energy Drain? I always feel like Legendary enemies regen negative levels super fast, but that's probably my noob speaking.

    Baz'Morath is there for being the best 2H with Fetters? And probably the x3 multiplier vs Reflection of Blackrazor?

    Adrenaline + Eldritch Tempest: just use one then the other to multiply the effects? Seems pretty nuts lol.

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpartanKiller13 View Post
    Did you consider Gnome/Deep Gnome?
    Hey! Not at all Int is a dump stat

    Quote Originally Posted by SpartanKiller13 View Post
    Where do you use Energy Drain? I always feel like Legendary enemies regen negative levels super fast, but that's probably my speaking.
    Energy Drain has still some niche uses. In any case it’s not your most useful spell...

    Quote Originally Posted by SpartanKiller13 View Post
    Baz'Morath is there for being the best 2H with Fetters? And probably the x3 multiplier vs Reflection of Blackrazor?
    Both are good weapons. I prefer the axe for the multiplier on a Fury build.
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