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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelos View Post
    Great build! For curiosity, could you please further explain the Sorc fatesinger 18-1-1 you mentioned? I'm trying to figure out what would be the core of the build
    Hey, thanks. I can try to provide some guidelines, but I did not developed the build yet.
    For that build, my goal will be to reach a decent enchant DC (around 105 in reaper) and a good sustained dps, focusing on SWF (attack speed + orb offhand) and elemental imbues. Scoundrel's Staccato Sovereign allows you to use your fire spell power as sonic. I will go fire with Scion of the Feywild (more dps scaling with fire spellpower) and +4 Enchant DC.
    I wil go max CHA with STR as secondary stat, using STR (boosted by Divine Might) to hit/dmg. Fatesinger will be a perfect fit.
    Moonwillow will probably be the weapon of choice, counting as Scoundrel's dashing weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AirbornedChild View Post
    That was just lucky hit when you:
    1 Hit 19-20 for +2 crit multiplier.
    2 Bypass construct fotification.
    Yup, that's was a 19-20 roll, 10% chance.
    As I wrote in my op, I have 54% fortification bypass (28+16+10) and 50% reduction (expose weakness).

    Quote Originally Posted by AirbornedChild View Post
    this build is just "for fun". Just to see big numbers. What can you say, when you see your glancing blow having nearly same damage as base one?
    Yeah, I can confirm I play DDO for fun. But I also think 'big numbers' have some utility in R10 gameplay. I play a melee toon that in some ways acts like an instantkiller. That's why I prefer a+3 multiplier weapon vs Reflection.
    Last night on this build I completed R10 Toee pt 2 with a friend... we were 2 melees, we reached the end fight flawless. Probably Vinci will post some video footage on his youtube channel in the next days.
    My point is, I don't think EK is "bad"... I'm not the best DDO player and I would not have been able to complete what I consider to be one of the most challenging quests in the game (featuring hundreds of mobs and a terrific end fight) in R10 Duo while playing a "bad build".

    Quote Originally Posted by AirbornedChild View Post
    And again i must say, that such STR is impossible without using +1 STR filigree. It mean you lose 2 filigree set bonuses.
    I provided you a link in my previous post... and as I wrote I'm using only 2x +2 STR filigrees in my current setup.
    I don't really understand what you mean... You can have multiple set bonuses: prowess 5 pieces, sucker punch 2, one against many 2... are you counting artifact slots?

    Quote Originally Posted by AirbornedChild View Post
    He cut image. That is enough. When someone cuts image and hides (possible) buffs, it is just cheating. It is not fair.
    If he showed full screenshot...
    Lol. Really... for what it's worth, I could have photoshopped my screenshot, or maybe I could have made copy/paste with some Symbiont's screenshots (that's impossible, my stats are way too low... XD). Maybe my real Strength value is 74, or less....
    You really don't get it how to reach a good STR value on a melee? Is Divine Might unfair? Well, on most builds Divine Presence/Will are way more effective...

    Quote Originally Posted by AirbornedChild View Post
    In my opinion this build is heavily depends on casters spells. It has low regular damage(GA). Using sword would give more crits while losing just 1 critical multiplier.
    Hey, It's your opinion. I respect any point of view.
    I cast spells, true. Spells help my cc and survivability, sure.
    On a Fury build, I prefer a better multiplier weapon and I also want vulnerability always on.

    I never said the build I posted here is better than barbs, or fighters, or something else.
    I just wanted to share an unusual build I'm having fun with in R10.

    I really like FBs, they have their strengths and weakness as everyone (except Inquis ofc XD).
    Lastly, I would like to point out that Angry Arms and Mad Munitions bring a negligible benefit in high skulls.
    Dps side, the best FB features are the +2 multiplier, Crazy Strike for +2W, Raging Blows, Frenzy and Death Frenzy.
    Last edited by Gilga1; 10-25-2019 at 07:13 AM. Reason: typos
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    Quote Originally Posted by AirbornedChild View Post
    The only DR beater for cats. Just try. Or ask someone to compare Sireth and lvl 29 weapon vs Ta'ashveth. Rakshasa is the only and the one reason to use Sireth. Just because it is the only twohander with piercing damage type.
    I guess there is way few cats on game atm. And maybe putting a moonwillow with some random shield on secondary hand can provide way higher dps than sireth :smile:

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    Quote Originally Posted by AirbornedChild View Post
    That was just lucky hit when you:
    1 Hit 19-20 for +2 crit multiplier.
    2 Bypass construct fotification.

    Compare with pure FB barb with same investments. Barb has continuous damage full time. WIth better glancing blows. Yes. He said that glancing blows are bad(problematic). But not for frenzied berserker. Also, Barb gets more chance for weapon effects on glancing blows.
    Yes, barb will see lots of draining while using razor. Will EK see same? No.

    this build is just "for fun". Just to see big numbers. What can you say, when you see your glancing blow having nearly same damage as base one?

    And again i must say, that such STR is impossible without using +1 STR filigree. It mean you lose 2 filigree set bonuses. For instance: on barb you will get 3k hp without leg gs plus 1400 temporal hp.

    Just imagine how strong can be barb with such investments. FB barb would be much, much better. And this is just because EK is bad while using regular attack.

    But. Simple question. If EK gets such high STR, how much would get barb? 150?
    If you can get to 90 strength without having divine might, I guess you can easily reach 130+ str on any build with divine might :smile:

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    Quote Originally Posted by AirbornedChild View Post
    That was just lucky hit when you:
    1 Hit 19-20 for +2 crit multiplier.
    2 Bypass construct fotification.

    Compare with pure FB barb with same investments. Barb has continuous damage full time. WIth better glancing blows. Yes. He said that glancing blows are bad(problematic). But not for frenzied berserker. Also, Barb gets more chance for weapon effects on glancing blows.
    Yes, barb will see lots of draining while using razor. Will EK see same? No.

    this build is just "for fun". Just to see big numbers. What can you say, when you see your glancing blow having nearly same damage as base one?

    And again i must say, that such STR is impossible without using +1 STR filigree. It mean you lose 2 filigree set bonuses. For instance: on barb you will get 3k hp without leg gs plus 1400 temporal hp.

    Just imagine how strong can be barb with such investments. FB barb would be much, much better. And this is just because EK is bad while using regular attack.

    But. Simple question. If EK gets such high STR, how much would get barb? 150?
    I’ll agree this def has some flavor, but a barb will not reach the utility or burst dmg of this build. As for your other points I can contribute towards vaccinations if you want.
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    Would you be so kind and change your attitude, Airborne?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilga1 View Post
    I did it again… After having fun with some op builds, I came back to my greatest love: THF.

    With U42 I tried out pally, now it’s time for a reaper proof, heavy melee THF EK wizard robot!

    Fun to play, this build is able to deliver some amazing performances. EK op! (lol)
    On this build, I played almost all the 30s R10.
    Today I completed Slavers Pt1 R10 duo with my trusted bard buddy Vinci. On first try…. eoeoeooeoeo XD
    To be honest, I tried to solo it but I failed badly. I don’t have enough cc to handle multiple nasty reapers/champs by myself.
    Thanks Vin, you are the best bard ever in DDO <3




    But let's get down to the build

    First of all, the split: Wiz 18, Barb 1, Cleric 1.
    Why? Wiz 18 allows EK core 5 (Deflect Arrows triggers every 2 seconds, I like it), and provides 3 lvl 9 spells (Energy Drain, Power Word Kill, Meteor Swarm. Meteor swarm ignores Epic Defensive Stance, useful tool to grab aggro from distance).
    Cleric 1 for turn undead (Confront Any Foe is a must on any THF build) and Divine Might.
    Barb 1 for movement speed and Intimidate as class skill.

    STATS
    STR based, CHA, CON. INT as a dump stat. To be honest, on this kind of build I do not think it’s possibile to reach decent DCs without destroying your dps output.
    Also, like I wrote, Confront any Foe is a must on a THF build, so you need Charisma to max your turn attempts per rest. So… why Wiz? More feats

    RACE
    Warforged: +15 mp, Improved Power Attack, PRR and I like Bloodrage Chrism on THF robot builds to get healing amp + repair amp (maxing incoming healing hands and so on).

    ED
    Fury of the Wild. Really? Really.
    When I saw the new version of this ED I said to myself: "ok, never mind, it sucks as before…"
    I tried it, and I changed my mind: double vorpal on THF, extra melee power, Devastating Blow are nice additions. Based on my experience, adrenalines are pretty good in high skulls.
    Twists: Martial Hymn, Haste Boost, Confront any foe, Dance with flowers, Legendary tactics/Cocoon.

    ENHANCEMENTS
    I spent my ehancements points as follow:
    Warforged 6 (+14 free), EK 42, Fal 24 (+1 free), War 4, Rav 4

    PLs & REAPER POINTS
    I confess… I’m missing the 3rd Scoundrel PL. How can I live without it? Idk.
    All my reaper trees are almost completed (+STR, +CHA, +CON). Are PLs and reaper points important in this game? Yes, they are. And yes, with my PLs and reaper points any noob could solo slavers R10…

    EQUIPMENT
    If reaper points and PLs are important, a good equip is crucial for any successful build.

    Helm - Legendary Umber Brim (Improved Quelling Strikes, Insightful Accuracy +16, Insightful Deception +8, Profane Well Rounded +2)
    Goggles - Legendary Collective Sight (Constitution +21, Insightful Constitution +10, Quality Resistance +4, +20 Quality MRR)
    Necklace - The Family’s Blessing (Quality Assassinate +2, Insightful Armor-Piercing - 16%, Deadly +17, Doublestrike 24%)
    Trinket - Bloodrage Chrism (Competence Healing Amplification +83, Calamitous Blows, Bloodrage Defense, Rune-fueled Warding, Unnatural)
    Armor - Legendary Umbral Soul (+15 Enhancement Bonus, Fortification +214%, Physical Sheltering +54, Competence Repair Amplification +85, Hit Points +81)
    Cloak - Legendary Cloak of Balance (Quality Constitution +5, Freedom of Movement, Insightful Seeker 10, Parrying +10, Empty Green Augment Slot)
    Wrist - Brand of Kalok Shash (Strength +22, Quality Accuracy +8, Quality Deadly +5, Fire Absorption 53%)
    Belt -SL (Sheltering +45, Accuracy +28, Stunning +20, Quality Strength +4)
    Ring - SL (Charisma +17, Armor Piercing -28%, Vertigo +20, Quality Charisma +4)
    Ring - Circle of Malevolence (Improved Harm 3/Day, Resistance +14, Vitality +60, Insightful Sheltering +23, Intimidate +25, Incite +53)
    Gloves - Legendary Hammerfist (Insightful Doublestrike 11%, Cannith Combat Infusion, Seeker 21, Insightful Deadly +8)
    Boots - Legendary Softsole Slippers (Ghostly, Anthem, Perform +22, Insightful Charisma +9))
    W –Baz’Morath (+15 Enhancement Bonus, Keen V, Disease: Unholy Tear, Limb Chopper, Fetters of Unreality, +0,5 W)
    Torn/Tremor as swap when DR is needed.
    LGS Affirmation + Hope as swap to help my buddies with cocoon when needed.
    LGS Ooze + Dust as swap for casting lesser death aura and death aura.
    IMPORTANT NOTE: death auras proc some LGSs. Having Ooze and Dust quick stacking on surrounding mobs it’s a huge benefit for a melee, specially THF. I can stack by myself vulnerability (Fetters on weapon) + Ooze (LGS+auras) + Dust (LGS+auras).
    Please note LGS Ice also procs with auras but the proc rate is abysmal. Useless.
    Also, LGS Ooze on auras procs PRR/MRR debuff but oozes never spawn. Poor oozes

    Why I’m using the outmoded Softsole Slippers boots in my setup? Because I want more turn attempts per rest, and I’m trying to reduce lag avoiding hundreds item swaps. Oh, by the way, I don’t have Relentless Fury but I can swap helm to Executioner just to get that proc

    Here are my stats in reaper:



    Offensive side, melee power is 286 standing in reaper (excluding damage boost, prowess etc)
    Doublestrike is 92% standing.



    Pros
    • Confront any foe makes THF a viable fighting style. Almost…
    • Eldritch Tempest and Adrenaline. 50K+ hits in R10… be happy!


    • Offense and Utility spells: they should not be underestimated. Otto Irresistible Dance, Power words, Sleet Storm (FoM on cloak), Haste+Displacement, Tenser when needed, Dimension Door etc etc. You miss the DCs and spell pen, but you are still a lvl 18 spellcaster. With quicken.
    • Pro melee debuffer: Vulnerability on weapon + Ooze and Dust on auras
    • Doublestrike 90% standing
    • Armor-piercing (in Fury): 104 (28+16+10+50 expose weakness)
    • Survivability. Top PRR and MRR for a melee dps build, arcane barrier, deflect arrows every 2 secs...
    • Decent mobility: +10% movement from barb, sprint boost
    • Baz’ Morath is a big and ugly weapon.

    Cons
    • THF usual issues. Glancing blows need some love, devs know.
    • As front-line soldier and aggro generator, don’t leave home without PLs and reaper points.
    • Inquis can ruin your gaming experience. While waiting for a nerf, to get rid of I usually let them die before grabbing aggro.

    I’m having a lot of fun with this build.
    EK melee THF is a strong option for reaper endgame! (but sshhh…. don’t tell my guild leader O_o)
    Great build as always Tronko

    I think a cleric build instead of wizard can improve your dps and survivabily. Try it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VinX View Post
    If you can get to 90 strength without having divine might, I guess you can easily reach 130+ str on any build with divine might :smile:
    100 STR is not hard to achieve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TitusOvid View Post
    Would you be so kind and change your attitude, Airborne?
    It is regular attitute. If it was worse, I wouldn't talk at all.
    I already said about downsides of this build. It has 3 cleaves and 1 aoe with 30 seconds cooldown. While true melee has more. THF paladinseems to have better damage(average).

    This shows why EK is unpopular on reaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alled78 View Post
    Great build as always Tronko
    I think a cleric build instead of wizard can improve your dps and survivabily. Try it?
    Thanks! I do not think going cleric will improve my dps and survivability at all Maybe you can grab more cleric levels if you want Silvanus to use Tremor. But losing core 5 and high level spell will be a nerf for this build imho.


    I updated the original post with some video footage of my runs with Vinci. Bard pov, but I think it’s easy to see how the THF EK works and his effectiveness in R10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AirbornedChild View Post
    It is regular attitute. If it was worse, I wouldn't talk at all.
    I already said about downsides of this build. It has 3 cleaves and 1 aoe with 30 seconds cooldown. While true melee has more. THF paladinseems to have better damage(average).

    This shows why EK is unpopular on reaper.
    This thread was not to build the best dps of all. It is about EK being viable in R10. EK is unpopular because there are more people saying it is **** without even trying instead of pushing it to the limit. there are possibilities besides fotm. this is one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TitusOvid View Post
    there are possibilities besides fotm. this is one.
    Exceptions will always exist.


    FotM is just going to be where the most users fall and is usually based on it's rewards vs ease of play.


    This build seems well written and tailored to the OPs situation, it doesn't suggest this build could replace all melee builds out there - but hopefully it does inspire some people to look into the tree more for options!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AirbornedChild View Post
    He cut image. That is enough. When someone cuts image and hides (possible) buffs, it is just cheating. It is not fair.

    If he showed full screenshot, I would not even post smth. But he cut off.

    As i said. No filigree sets. Set give more than +2 str. Sorry, but this is just +1/+1,5. Hands down...

    Mmm... 34 insightful STR? It is legal at all? Well, with +34 insightful STR barb will get highest STR score. I consider this to be error. Rule was always the same: enhancement>insightful>other.

    Edit N1: Well, full comp character with all +3 items. OK, I choose life.
    Edit N2: Still GS>GA on monsters(not bosses).
    Edit N3: I consider divine might to be... unfair. Years ago I said that such boost must be tier 5 in enh tree. Reason is simple: it makes capstone weaker, while it must be the strongest.

    Would you kind to make FB barb? Just for comparison. Yes, yes, this is trolling. But this is the only way to find who is stronger.

    PS In my opinion this build is heavily depends on casters spells. It has low regular damage(GA). Using sword would give more crits while losing just 1 critical multiplier.
    About doublestrike: mine is nearly the same, difference comes from EK enhancements. Less melee power(just few +2/+4 mythic).

    True melee with such gear would be better.
    34 insightful str come from divine might as it is an insight bonus.
    You keep coming back to how high his str is like someone didn't hit 202 on a pure cleric..

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    what your prefer
    20 paladin or 18wiz/1/1?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SonilasFx View Post
    what your prefer
    20 paladin or 18wiz/1/1?
    Hey, I prefer wiz hands down. In confront to the THF pally I played (https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...me-THF-Paladin) I think this build is far superior from every point of view (offense, cc options, defenses), except saves and lay on hands.
    Also, when I tried pally Confront any Foe gave +0W (vs +5W of Holy Retribution). Now it's +3W...

    Other stuff completed on this build:
    Soul Survivor R10 melee duo


    Secret of the Slavers Stockade R10 melee duo
    Last edited by Gilga1; 10-29-2019 at 01:29 AM.
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    Hi Tronko.
    Could you post which feats you took on this build, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onetunge View Post
    Hi Tronko.
    Could you post which feats you took on this build, please.
    Hey, sure!
    1 Adamantine Body, 3 Completionist, 6 Power Attack, 9 THF, 12 ITHF, 15 IC Slashing, 18 Extra turning, BW Quicken, BW Extend, BW Mental Toughness, BW Improved Mental Toughness, 21 OC, 24 GTHF, 26 PTWF, 27 Epic DR, 28 PTHF, 29 Dire Charge, 30 Construct Exemplar, L Scion of Arborea
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    +1 to Tronko for outstanding troll management; a role model for the rest of us. Thanks! And of course, an interesting and well-thought-out build.
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    Hey man, I saw your youtube video and have been thinking about making an EK THF wiz for some time. Fortune shined upon me this morning when I saw you posted a bit of a breakdown of it! I am quite new to the EK tree and maybe you can enlighten me. Why STR instead of INT based? You might've gone over it and I missed it or it might be a very dumb question but is having 2 primary stats worth the 12AP in harper tree saved? Totally new to EK and love the play style you've developed here. Thanks in advance to anyone who can enlighten me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe33 View Post
    Hey man, I saw your youtube video and have been thinking about making an EK THF wiz for some time. Fortune shined upon me this morning when I saw you posted a bit of a breakdown of it! I am quite new to the EK tree and maybe you can enlighten me. Why STR instead of INT based? You might've gone over it and I missed it or it might be a very dumb question but is having 2 primary stats worth the 12AP in harper tree saved? Totally new to EK and love the play style you've developed here. Thanks in advance to anyone who can enlighten me.
    Hey i'm also going to TR soon into this build to change my gameplay and try new stuff, i'm also very interested in base stats.

    Cause if I remember good, you need a minimum INT to cast self heals no ?

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