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    Default Theory craft of a PDK Swash / Wiz twist

    Hi there, just wondering if you build wizards could have a quick look at this.
    Since I didn't want to spend a reincarnation token I kept the fighter and since it is no longer pure I thought about the benefits of the 1 Wiz splash.
    Looking to see if there are any tweaks that may be better or if I am in any AP traps.


    Interesting features:
    Wiz 1 - Free Feat, 130 SP, Echoes of Power
    EK - 10 HP and the Cleave With Force that scales with Character level
    AM - 10 minute Shield Spell for 1 point

    PDK - Short Sword Cha to hit and Damage, high Spell DC's


    PDK Swash/wiz
    18/1/1 Bard/Fighter/Wizard
    Purple Dragon Knight


    Level Order

    1. Fighter . . . . 6. Bard. . . . . .11. Bard. . . . . .16. Bard
    2. Bard . . . . . .7. Bard . . . . . 12. Bard . . . . . 17. Bard
    3. Bard . . . . . .8. Bard . . . . . 13. Bard . . . . . 18. Bard
    4. Bard . . . . . .9. Bard . . . . . 14. Bard . . . . . 19. Bard
    5. Wizard. . . . .10. Bard. . . . . .15. Bard. . . . . .20. Bard



    Stats
    . . . . . . . .28pt . . 32pt. . .Level Up
    . . . . . . . .---- . . ----. . .--------
    Strength. . . . 14. . . .14 . . . 4: CHA
    Dexterity . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . 8: CHA
    Constitution. . 14. . . .14 . . .12: CHA
    Intelligence. . 11. . . .12 . . .16: CHA
    Wisdom. . . . . .8. . . . 8 . . .20: CHA
    Charisma. . . . 17. . . .18 . . .24: CHA
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .28: CHA


    Skills
    . . . . . F .B .B .B .W. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B
    . . . . . 1 .2 .3 .4 .5. 6. 7. 8. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
    . . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
    Perform . . .5 .1 .1 . . 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    Concent . . . . . . . . .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .2 .2 .2 .2 .2 .3 .2 .1 .1 .1 .23
    Spellcr . . . . . . . 3 . . 2. 1. 1. 1. 2. 2. 2. 2. 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    Balance . . . . . . . . .2 .2 .3 .3 .3 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .23
    UMD . . . . .1 .5 .1 . . 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    Heal. . . 2 .½ .½ .½ .½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. . .11
    Spot. . . 1 . . . .2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1. 1. 1. .6
    Jump. . . 4 .1 .1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .6
    Swim. . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
    Tumble. . 1 . . . .1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2
    Haggle. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1. . . . . . 1
    . . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
    . . . . .16 .8 .8 .8 .4. 8. 8. 8. 8. 8. 8. 8. 8. 8. 8. 8. 8. 8. 8. 7
    Max . . .16 .8 .8 .8 .4. 8. 8. 8. 8. 8. 8. 8. 8. 8. 8. 8. 8. 8. 8. 8



    Feats

    .1. . . . : Power Attack
    .1 PDK. . : Sap
    .1 Fighter: Cleave
    .3. . . . : Extend Spell
    .5 Wizard : Maximize Spell
    .6. . . . : Single Weapon Fighting
    .9. . . . : Improved Single Weapon Fighting
    12. . . . : Improved Critical: Piercing
    15. . . . : Great Cleave
    18. . . . : Greater Single Weapon Fighting
    21 Epic . :
    24 Epic . :
    26 Destiny:
    27 Epic . :
    28 Destiny:
    29 Destiny:
    30 Epic . :
    30 Legend :


    Enhancements (80 AP)

    Swashbuckler (48 AP)
    • Confidence, Swashbuckling, Uncanny Dodge, Panache, Roll with the Punches
      1. On Your Toes III, Blow By Blow: Melee III, Tavern Shanties I
      2. Deflect Arrows, Fast Movement, Sword Dance I, Double Strike Boost III
      3. Elegant Footwork, Skirmisher, Resonant Arms II, Charisma
      4. On the Mark III, Battering Barrage II, Charisma
      5. Exploit Weakness, Coup de Grace: Melee

    Warchanter (8 AP)
    • Skaldic: Constitution, Weapon Training
      1. Inspired Bravery I, Rough and Ready III
      2. Iced Edges II

    Purple Dragon Knight (8 AP)
    • Damage Boost
      1. Cormyrean Knight Training, Action Surge: Charisma III, Improved Recovery

    Spellsinger (6 AP)
    • Spellsinger, Music of the Sewers
      1. Haunting Melody I, Sonic Blast III

    Kensei (6 AP)
    • Kensei Focus: Light Blades
      1. Extra Action Boost I, Haste Boost III

    Eldritch Knight (Wizard) (3 AP)
    • Eldritch Strike
      1. Toughness II

    Vanguard (1 AP)
    • To the Fore!
    After a little Tolkien I am usually up for anything.

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    Cleave and Great Cleave are a waste imho (as is Power Attack) since Short Swords do not proc glancing blows like 2HF and B.Swords do. Add to this they are a fixed rate attack in terms of speed so just by attacking normally with SWF will probably be better DPS.

    Instead I would take Precision instead of Power Attack and for Cleave and Great Cleave I have no idea to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoner81 View Post
    Cleave and Great Cleave are a waste imho (as is Power Attack) since Short Swords do not proc glancing blows like 2HF and B.Swords do.
    Celestia? 8)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoner81 View Post
    Cleave and Great Cleave are a waste imho (as is Power Attack) since Short Swords do not proc glancing blows like 2HF and B.Swords do. Add to this they are a fixed rate attack in terms of speed so just by attacking normally with SWF will probably be better DPS.

    Instead I would take Precision instead of Power Attack and for Cleave and Great Cleave I have no idea to be honest.

    Stoner81.

    Not to mention En Pointe is a wonderful double cleave in the Swash tree.


    Feat wise I would drop power attack, cleave, and great cleave for precision.


    Ability wise that is a lot of stuff in Swash I would never use and is missing some important stuff.

    Blow by Blow is okish but not needed.
    Tavern Shanties only works for more activated songs, your basic ballad (inspire courage) is always up for no song uses now...so matter of play Style.
    Sword Dance requires misses, doesn't proc as much as you'd think.
    Resonant Arms is great, upgrade to 3.
    En Pointe is a double cleave that usually double procs resonant arms, add this.
    Swash Style II Low Blow is an easy knockdown, and you can follow up with CdG before they even hit the ground for a quick kill...add this.
    The AC penalty from Battering Barrage is insignificant, it's not needed.
    Thread the Needle adds 5 damage If you use Precision as already recommended, this combo is far superior to using Power Attack.

    Iced Edges literally doesn't scale, so it never really adds much.
    Haste Boost and Double Strike boost will set each other on cooldown, you only really need one or the other unless you are simply going for sheer number of overall charges.

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    Replace Wizard with FvS.
    Get Nightshield as your spell and Divine Presence from War Soul for 4 AP.

    AP - start here:
    ~42 swash (5 cores, all T5s)
    21+ warchanter for single target freeze and 4th core
    4 war soul
    Last edited by cru121; 10-21-2019 at 02:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoner81 View Post
    https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Celest...st_Star_of_Day

    Typed as a short sword so I assumed that glancing blows do not proc.

    Stoner81.
    When you give link, try read Discussion page too...

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    Sunblades, which includes not only the low level Sunblade but also any short sword with "Star of Day" in its title all act like bastard swords while using short sword proficiency and feats.

    Whilst you do get glancing blows with Sunblades (for classes that it's not broken for, in my experience it does work for pure bard builds) I've found that without the THF line of feats those glancing blows don't really add up to much.

    Also the base Estar commendation Star of Day has a low hardness and breaks fast...


    Edit: Short swords are still good Shashbuckler weapons and Sunblades have nice damage dice, so don't let my comments about poor glancing blow damage stop you from using one.

    Also won't Iced Edges break Celestia? Best not to combine the two.
    Last edited by Fauxknight; 10-21-2019 at 08:56 AM.

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