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    Default Playable Kobold Race

    Playable Kobold Race is a huge request by many, but also hated by a few to, but they don't need to play one!
    There is also a lot of debate about how they should be in terms of power. Like a challenge / underpowered mode.
    There is, quite rightly, concern that such a design would get boring quick. So...

    What if there are disadvantages, but they are balanced by utility not often provided by race, and a means to recover some of that original disadvantage?
    With universal trees and everyone getting melee trees, and whatnot... being able to summon a companion and trapping are two remaining skill sets that fit a kobold theme.

    Everyone loves more trappers, there are still only 2 trapper classes in game, and everyone having the ability to have a companion would be good, especially for warlocks.

    Anyways, bored at work again, here is potential Kobold Idea...
    Sorta wrote this up before in another thread way ago, but this is more fleshed out and it's own thread.
    Focusing on Trapping, Summoning a Companion, and being elusive/evasive/Koboldish.

    Kobolds racial stuff:
    > Small character bonuses and penalties (maybe make it all double)
    > Bonuses to hide/move silently
    > No modifier for Attack or Damage
    > Spells can't critical and are Touch ranged only (like Knights transform/epic defensive fighting)
    > Base Stats are 6 STR, 8 DEX, 6 CON, 8 INT, 8 WIS, 6 CHA
    > Kobolds have -25% health.
    > Kobolds gain a bonus skill every level (like humans)

    CORE 1 : Dodge Feat Acquired
    CORE 2 : +2 to any stat
    CORE 3 : Mobility Feat Acquired
    CORE 4 : +2 to any other stat
    CORE 5 : Multi Selector: Mobile Spellcasting OR Spring Attack

    TIER 1
    Reinforcements : Summons a Kobold Companion.
    Kobold Pilferer : Gain +1/2/3 to Open Lock, Move Silently, Hide, Jump, Tumble, Balance. Rank3 - Open Lock max level is character level +3.
    Kobold Specialist : Multi-Selector - You gain DEX to Attack and Damage -OR- your spells can critical and be cast at range.
    Yip Yip : Kobold hops back. Gaining the effects of Uncanny Dodge and +20 to Jump temporarily
    Fire Bomb : Throw a fire bomb that does 1d6 + 1 damage per character level. Small AoE, Metas allowed.

    TIER 2
    Make Kobolds Great : (Req Reinforce) Some combo of... Your summon/hire/companion receives Improved all stats/fort/fort bypass/health/prr/mrr/whatever.. 3rd rank +stats for you as well
    Kobold Ingenuity : (Req Pilfer) Gain +2/4/6 to spot/search/disable. Rank 3 - You acquire the Trap Finding Feat. Spot/Search/Disable max skill level is character lvl + 3.
    Charge!!! : Not sure if they are charging or running away... movement speed action boost. Shout something Cliched for a Kobold.
    Sturdy Kobold : Negate 3/6/10% of the HP penalty for being a Kobold. Your range of unconsciousness extends by 10/20/30 hp (15/30/50 at epic).
    Lightning : (Req Fire Bomb) Lightning SLA.

    TIER 3
    Make Kobolds Great Again: (Req MKG) Some 'other' combo of... Improved all stats/fort/fort bypass/health/prr/mrr/whatever.. 3rd rank +stats for you as well
    Kobold Tinkerer : (Req Ingenuity) You acquire the Trapmaking feat. The DC of your traps scale off 65/80/100% of your Disable Device instead of 505 (same as mechanic improved traps).
    Kobolds Unite! : (Req MKGA) You and your companion Gain Morale Bonuses to stats and movement speed for each kobold in your party (including your companion if a kobold).
    Play Dead : You feign Unconciousness for 10 seconds (lose hp to reach critical) and cannot die. After 10 seconds you recover the HP lost.
    Kobold Mischief : (Req Lightning) Perform a random act of magic - I hope this works out well for you.

    TIER 4
    Improved Reinforcements : (Req MKGA) Multi-Selector - Your Kobold Companion is now a Kobold Commander / Kobold Shaman / Kobold Thrower
    Sneaky Kobold : (Req Tinkerer) +2/4/6 reflex saves, hide, move silently. Rank 3 - Gain Hiding in Plain Sight.
    Made Kobold : (Req Unite!) +2 to all stats. Your health penalty is reduced by -15% (fully with Sturdy). You can choose the OTHER specialist option you did not pick in T1 Specialist.
    Dodgy Kobold : (Req Yip Yip and Sneaky Kobold) +1/2/3 dodge. Rank 3 - Gain Evasion. Your Yip Yip now gives the Improved Uncanny Dodge effect and +40 Jump and Tumble
    Racial Enemy: Humanoid : You get Humanoid as a racial enemy. Kobold Hates You!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indubitably View Post
    ... also hated by a few to, but they don't need to play one!...
    Personally, I'd like to see this, however the above statement is flat out untrue (at least not for everyone).

    Anyone who wants to attain/maintain Racial Completionist would have to play it THREE times (or spend the DP on a Wish thingy to change their RR).

    Now, that said... meh. People don't like warforged, or hate the way Helfs look - and yet they did it. If you have to, you have to - if it was easy, everyone woulda done it long ago.

    (Or, if (as has been suggested) Kobolds are intentionally weaker than other races, Devs could just leave that out of RC, done. It's their game, they can do what they want. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by C-Dog View Post
    Personally, I'd like to see this, however the above statement is flat out untrue (at least not for everyone).

    Anyone who wants to attain/maintain Racial Completionist would have to play it THREE times (or spend the DP on a Wish thingy to change their RR).

    Now, that said... meh. People don't like warforged, or hate the way Helfs look - and yet they did it. If you have to, you have to - if it was easy, everyone woulda done it long ago.

    (Or, if (as has been suggested) Kobolds are intentionally weaker than other races, Devs could just leave that out of RC, done. It's their game, they can do what they want. )
    Yeah, this was my predicted first response. I had a comment about that, but took it out to keep the post as small as possible, figurd Id get a chacne to say it anyways

    They can leave it out of racial completionist, they can box their way through their life, they can go eat a shoe (no time for kobold haters!)
    As you rightly said, there are other races people don't like, even dragonborn. Never going to make everyone happy, but the fact is, they will do it. And whatever they add will also be a chore for some... but I feel if your going for racial completionist... chores are what your good at.

    With all the tomes, reaper points, and Past Lives... I feel like the minor stat loss, health loss, and odd attack/casting penalty will be a drop in the ocean anyways (well that last one only needs a few point investment to mostly counter).

    But yeah, lotta Kobold Haters.
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    They had a poll, playable Dragonborn or Kobold, and Dragonborn won over Kobold. By a pretty significant margin, if I recall correctly. I think DDO's Kobold ship has not only sailed - it sank just out of sight of land and there were no survivors.


    I'm okay with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Memnir View Post
    They had a poll, playable Dragonborn or Kobold, and Dragonborn won over Kobold. By a pretty significant margin, if I recall correctly. I think DDO's Kobold ship has not only sailed - it sank just out of sight of land and there were no survivors.


    I'm okay with that.
    Just because one was preferred over the other doesn't mean one was a bad choice.
    The amount of people a few years back asking for tiefling/aasimir was huge.... they now have both.
    I'm not seeing too many other suggestions about a new race. Some Iconic and some Racial varients suggestions, but none for new races.

    Any other race suggestions?
    Githyanki?
    Would require that massive Psionic expansion that SSG have hinted at as a low low possibility... and if you thought Warlocks and Inquisitives were bad... Check any D&D game a Psion or Psychic Warrior included and see how terrible the balance has always been when trying to include them. Its the D&D game equivalent to jumping the shark.
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    Default Playable Kobolds?

    Not no, but hell no.

    I would never, ever support such a proposal.

    No way, no how.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indubitably View Post

    Any other race suggestions?
    Githyanki?
    Would require that massive Psionic expansion that SSG have hinted at as a low low possibility...
    If SSG were going to implement Psionics, they'd have to implement Kalashtar before anything like the Githyanki.
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    I support your idea to the core.

    I am sure it will not be an ordinary Kobold. Say Humans or any other race is pretty much weak compared to Player character anyways. Check from level 1 Korthos quests. Only Sahuagin is a match up to level 2 becasue of their higher hitpoints ? Even take Troll or another race. Because they re Npcs not players. I am sure Kobolds can and will be a nice playable race. Even garden Gnomes are here and kicking around the place ! )



    Kobolds rule.
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    Default I am 100% behind Kobolds being added as Playable

    I voted for them instead of Tiefling in the last large poll.

    Ah well, its clearly a joke/flavor character, but if you ignored the HP penalty and just made them paragon kobolds a la ETK and allowed them some dragontouched bonuses, like Sorc specialization, they'd make a pretty great Iconic class.

    Just imagine

    -2CON, -2STR, +2WIS, +2DEX

    Dragontouched cores (+WIS, DEX or CHA)

    Bonuses to nat armor

    and Shamanism in the Racial tree for bonuses to Spellpower and Enchant spells.

    Still flimsier than say, a Dwarf with HP bonuses or a well-built Dragonborn PC and no breaths, but more base Dodge and sneak attack.



    Also, if they DO ever get to making that Psionic Universal Tree, it'll come with KALASHTAR long before adding Planescape cheekyness like Githyanki / Githzerai.

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    (Although a Dark Sun / Planescape module would be cool in another context... Thri-kreen anyone?)
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    I was getting into the enhancements you wrote until you referenced a hate-filled bully political slogan as if it is casually acceptable
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkat View Post
    Not no, but hell no.

    I would never, ever support such a proposal.

    No way, no how.
    what if it were implemented like Hardcore League?
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    Even -2 cons -4 strength would do with +2 Intelligence, +2 wisdom and +2 Dexterity.

    Not exactly the same with what I think but;



    So it allready exixsts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saekee View Post
    what if it were implemented like Hardcore League?
    I couldn't care less what they do for hardcore. I don't play it.
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    Kalashtar please
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saekee View Post
    I was getting into the enhancements you wrote until you referenced a hate-filled bully political slogan as if it is casually acceptable
    I was actually basing that off one of the voice bits during the anniversary party that the kobolds say about their dark lord.
    I'm Australian, living in Vietnam and your president rarely crosses my mind

    I would be 100% behind changing the name to something different though. The name isn't what I care about (and would hope more thought would be put in than what I've done with it).
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