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    Dear forumites and fellow builders,

    I am currently preparing a thread comparing combat styles. It has been suggested that swash + frenzied berserker is a strong contender for top DPS as a bard; I am comparing it to a more standard swash + vistani, and I am not seeing how it can beat it.

    The damage formula for SWF for damage per animation is:

    BASE component (ability, deadly, seeker, etc.) * double strike * crit chance * expected crit multiplier * melee power + proc stuff

    Suppose that the base component is the same across a vistiani swash and a t5 FB, and forget about procs. Then, it comes down to whether:

    double strike (attacks per animation) * crit chance * expected crit multiplier * melee power

    is higher under vistani + swash or swash + FB, and then it compensates for differences in the base damage (vistani +swash has more base damage).

    here are the values I am using for vistani + t5 swash (exploit weakness):
    2*0.35*3.57*1.46 = 3.59856

    and FB + swash:
    1.8* 0.3 *5.6 *1.26 = 3.81024

    I am removing vistani DBs (-20%), vistani MP (-20), exploit weakness (+1 thread range, in expectation).

    The multipliers are so close that, even under minor differences in BASE damage, swash + vista is pulling ahead.

    Am I missing anything?

    Thanks in advance!

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    You are not missing anything. In heroics, it's hard to beat the 20% doublestrike and +20 melee power.

    If you add let's say 100-200 melee power to the equation, balance changes.

    (Though En Pointe with a 17x6 light pick or 15x5 handaxe is tasty)


    Hmm, now that I look at the math again, are you only counting crit damage? Perhaps your missing non-crit damage, FB should have one regular hit over dagger.
    Last edited by cru121; 08-17-2019 at 05:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cru121 View Post
    You are not missing anything. In heroics, it's hard to beat the 20% doublestrike and +20 melee power.

    If you add let's say 100-200 melee power to the equation, balance changes.

    (Though En Pointe with a 17x6 light pick or 15x5 handaxe is tasty)


    Hmm, now that I look at the math again, are you only counting crit damage? Perhaps your missing non-crit damage, FB should have one regular hit over dagger.
    Yep, since the FB only has crit profile over swash vistani. The base damage is superior in vistani, I am not sure though why you count FB as having one regular hit over dagger? PS - So if it doesn't beat vistani swash in crits, it won't beat it outside of crits

    That said, both underperform Kensei + bard (just for buckler) + vistani

    To be clear, what I am saying is that the extra crit you get from FB seems to pale compared to the extra goodies from vistani; unless I am doing something wrong, then I'd love an explanation.

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