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    Default Looking for mx DPS bow using archer

    Pure or multiclass dosnt mater. Appreciate any ideas. Im looking for a toon max dps high end game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SatansToupee View Post
    Pure or multiclass dosnt mater. Appreciate any ideas. Im looking for a toon max dps high end game.
    if u mean within bow builds the max dps one, then well idk which one that is currently...


    if u mean amongst various builds a high dps one that uses bow, does not exist.


    go for wis/enchant gear/para arrows CC build or go do repeater or gxbow or inqui. whatever else you do, it is better than bow. well, maybe throwing axe build is worse, idk ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SatansToupee View Post
    Pure or multiclass dosnt mater. Appreciate any ideas. Im looking for a toon max dps high end game.
    Lookin at bows the wrong way then. They aren't for sustained damage but burst damage. Pair adrenalines with slayer arrows and Unbridled fury with manyshot + Slayer arrow/merciful shot/final strike/sniper shot/pin/ and if you want to go all the way somethin like shattermantle shot

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    Quote Originally Posted by SatansToupee View Post
    Pure or multiclass dosnt mater. Appreciate any ideas. Im looking for a toon max dps high end game.
    Mmmmm
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    6 ranger 10 monk 4 rogue for uncanny dodge

    Wisdom based

    Or 6 13 1 fighter for speed


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    I run my character (Kaluen on Orien) as a pure ranged bow user from 20-30, 15-30, and occasionally 1-20 all the time. Sometimes I stay at cap for a while and do some end game raiding. With the new ED changes I have a lot of testing to do with different destinies and twists but if you give me a week or two to test out some different new things I can put up a post on good builds.

    Currently I'm a pure level 20 dex based wood elf ranger. This gives you a lot of great options as it allows you to get a tremendous amount of double shot while giving you a ton of survivability and self healing. At 30 my double shot is over 100 without using any filagrees or the new ED changes. So you are shooting quite a few arrows. You're never going to keep up with an uber build that can one shot everything but in a group you will not be a disappointing member. If you want what build I would recommend before the ED changes I can give you some ideas, but I really think that a lot has changed for bow users with the ED pass and I will actually take some time to post a fun, survivable, decent dps build once I have some testing.

    Past level 30 pure ranger accomplishments involve soloing Demon Queen, Fall of Truth, ToD, Chronoscope.

    Ranged characters are at a disadvantage DPS wise if you stick to a bow, and they are heavily gear and skill dependent. But I mean, they're so fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SatansToupee View Post
    Pure or multiclass dosnt mater. Appreciate any ideas. Im looking for a toon max dps high end game.
    Elf
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    14 Monk (that order)

    Pros:
    10k and MS allow you to cycle your burst DPS
    Very nice saves

    Dis:
    Very late bloomer
    Tome heavy (if you go Wisdom based)
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    They have been tweaking the game since I started and often I disagree with them. They focus on wrong stuff, over or under compensate and abandon too much stuff. Every once in awhile they get something right, if only temporarily.

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    Default I've been mulling this over too...

    I have a lvl30, drow, dex-based (Wis not abandoned though) pure ranger with T4 and Core5 in AA and T5 and Capstone in Deepwood that I'm quite happy with (for a bow user, of course!) but have been mulling over wis-based since Falconry came out...

    Now the build is only 'great' with burst dmg of course but it is reasonably well rounded and very straight-forward to build and use (you do need to have some decent gear though) so, if you're starting out as a longbow user, I would recommend it.
    For Epics, I will agree with whoever it was that said that ED's for bow users need some extensive testing after the pass but, for reference, I'm currently using adrenaline.

    If we want to go more 'experimental' (here I'm asking for feedback too!) then this is what I'm currently working on :
    Cleric 9 / Monk 6 / Ranger 4 Wis-based Aasimar.
    Luck or, probably, Animal Domain.
    All main ranged feats except Mobility and Shot on the Run plus Emp Heal, SF:Enchant, Monk Forms and Mass Frog.
    AP spend : T4+Core2 AA and DWS, Divine Form and all Cores Aasimar, T3 and Core2 Falconry plus Smite Foe from Warpriest.

    I did a Clonkcher several years ago and, while sub-par, was great fun and great support character; since the Aasimar, Falconry, Domains, Ranger re-vamp and now ED revamp have happened so who knows how it will do (since it's a similar themed build to my old one)!

    Compared to my current build, the pluses should be :
    - to maintain a similar number of active clicky attacks,
    - increase burst dmg up-time (10k Stars),
    - improve CC (Wis and monk stances) and heals (aasimar+cleric)
    - become more self-sufficient / better support (more buffs and heals)

    which I think are all covered but I still have the following problems :
    - Cloth armor
    - Evasion (have it, but will it work?)
    - loss of Ranged Power and Doubleshot from cores and T5's

    Anyone have any idea how much this balances out?!

    On other notes for the OP, I can envision it worth mulling over FVS (pure elven or some split) and/or Eldritch Knight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ned_ellis View Post
    I have a lvl30, drow, dex-based (Wis not abandoned though) pure ranger with T4 and Core5 in AA and T5 and Capstone in Deepwood that I'm quite happy with (for a bow user, of course!) but have been mulling over wis-based since Falconry came out...

    Now the build is only 'great' with burst dmg of course but it is reasonably well rounded and very straight-forward to build and use (you do need to have some decent gear though) so, if you're starting out as a longbow user, I would recommend it.
    For Epics, I will agree with whoever it was that said that ED's for bow users need some extensive testing after the pass but, for reference, I'm currently using adrenaline.

    If we want to go more 'experimental' (here I'm asking for feedback too!) then this is what I'm currently working on :
    Cleric 9 / Monk 6 / Ranger 4 Wis-based Aasimar.
    Luck or, probably, Animal Domain.
    All main ranged feats except Mobility and Shot on the Run plus Emp Heal, SF:Enchant, Monk Forms and Mass Frog.
    AP spend : T4+Core2 AA and DWS, Divine Form and all Cores Aasimar, T3 and Core2 Falconry plus Smite Foe from Warpriest.

    I did a Clonkcher several years ago and, while sub-par, was great fun and great support character; since the Aasimar, Falconry, Domains, Ranger re-vamp and now ED revamp have happened so who knows how it will do (since it's a similar themed build to my old one)!

    Compared to my current build, the pluses should be :
    - to maintain a similar number of active clicky attacks,
    - increase burst dmg up-time (10k Stars),
    - improve CC (Wis and monk stances) and heals (aasimar+cleric)
    - become more self-sufficient / better support (more buffs and heals)

    which I think are all covered but I still have the following problems :
    - Cloth armor
    - Evasion (have it, but will it work?)
    - loss of Ranged Power and Doubleshot from cores and T5's

    Anyone have any idea how much this balances out?!

    On other notes for the OP, I can envision it worth mulling over FVS (pure elven or some split) and/or Eldritch Knight.
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    Ranger 6 monk 6 is a must in my opinion for called shot and 10k stars
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    I just posted my pure ranged ranger build in the forums. Rich's Ranged Ranger. It has pretty high DPS. Yesterday running Wheloon at lvl 26 on reaper 2, I had the most kills in the group which included someone who had 61 reaper points playing one of the high DPS crossbow builds. You can definitely do some decent dps, but you also need a lot of practice on lining up shots and when to use your cool downs.

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    Pure ranger, human for the extra feats. Unless there is something in a racial tree you must have, that two points extra you might get don't mean much at the end. I don't actually worry about the DPS in and of itself. Use the falcon tree for instant kills. Max WIS. Put extra points into the AA tree and focus on a single element. (Acid seems to have fewer immune creatures.) I'm back to running Shiradi as a destiny now as Hunt's End gives a nice big hit every thirty seconds. I recommend falconry only with a bow. Tried it on my mechanic with great crossbow and it just didn't feel right.
    What do you mean a -6 armor class is no good anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alled78 View Post
    Ranger 6 monk 6 is a must in my opinion for called shot and 10k stars
    Thanks for your reply Alled! With your split we get :
    Add :
    - one feat (manyshot is now free so probably Mobility?)
    - Core 3 sniper shot clicky (can find 1 ap somewhere)
    - +1 fort and will save and bab
    - +1 lvl1 ranger spell
    Lose :
    - 3 lvl5 cleric spells
    - domain ability (-15% fort bypass or Displacement sla)

    Worth it?
    By not reaching lvl 9 Cleric, we could possibly consider adding even further levels of monk or ranger but healing will take a hefty hit (depending on how many we remove)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melkazar View Post
    Pure ranger, human for the extra feats. Unless there is something in a racial tree you must have, that two points extra you might get don't mean much at the end. I don't actually worry about the DPS in and of itself. Use the falcon tree for instant kills. Max WIS. Put extra points into the AA tree and focus on a single element. (Acid seems to have fewer immune creatures.) I'm back to running Shiradi as a destiny now as Hunt's End gives a nice big hit every thirty seconds. I recommend falconry only with a bow. Tried it on my mechanic with great crossbow and it just didn't feel right.
    I think that if you're planning to go pure ranger and are focusing on DPS it is a mistake to go into the Falconry tree. If you're going to go the max wisdom route with the Falconry tree I think you really want to have a lot of monk in your build for 10k stars and some other good monk benefits. It's also probable that if you're going max Wis you might be better off focusing more on the CC aspects of a ranged ranger. The main benefits to being a pure ranger are a couple of the spells (Freedom of Movement and Cure Serious can be life savers), and getting an extra 40% doubleshot from DWS and AA trees. Losing huge chunks of doubleshot is going to drastically reduce your damage even with adding in Falconry attacks. I love running pure rangers. That has been the vast amount of my play time in this game since I started many years ago. I also pretty much exclusively run bow builds. I don't think the extra feat is that important since I think that there are a couple "must have" feats and then a lot of just "eh" feats for rangers. As long as you have the main ones it doesn't seem like gaining an extra feat is going to be worth much. I agree that 2 points aren't a huge deal either. But if you're going for a Max DPS build like the OP is asking for I think that you get more by having full doubleshot and the extra 2 points to DEX while using DEX to damage.

    That said all the ranged bow builds are fun. But you're still using a bow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ned_ellis View Post
    Thanks for your reply Alled! With your split we get :
    Add :
    - one feat (manyshot is now free so probably Mobility?)
    - Core 3 sniper shot clicky (can find 1 ap somewhere)
    - +1 fort and will save and bab
    - +1 lvl1 ranger spell
    Lose :
    - 3 lvl5 cleric spells
    - domain ability (-15% fort bypass or Displacement sla)

    Worth it?
    By not reaching lvl 9 Cleric, we could possibly consider adding even further levels of monk or ranger but healing will take a hefty hit (depending on how many we remove)
    I think cleric is not usefull here unless u take at least 11 lvl to get heal spell
    6 ranger 13 monk 1 fighter think is best atm

    U can go support build 18 cleric 2 monk elf race but is far less dps more heal
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    Here is what I have come to realize about how SSG sees longbow use. Firstly, they don’t like it. Specific to longbows since every other version of ranged combat is better in terms of dps. Second, they want you to play their way; which is a cc paralyze/fear arrow build. Max dps build will leave you unsatisfied. However, if you are hell bent, go pure ranger dex build and make use of ranged power and sneak attack. Max hide skill and take the scion of Ethereal plane or whatever is the one that converts hide to sneak attack damage. Running deepwood you will have a ton of ways to make things helpless. Also consider maxing bluff to help with that. Run Shiradi for the ranged power and twist battle hymn for more ranged power.
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