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    Default Why does DDO hate Dwarves?

    One Hand: Dwarves

    Other Hand: Elf, Drow, Sun Elf, Wood Elf, even Half-elf........



    Lame Sauce. I don't know why you hate dwarves, but I would like to see this fixed soon
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    NOTE: Racist comments, do not continue if you are trigger-able.

    Because:

    1: They are short. Below sight level.
    2: Man they are ugly.
    3: Omg, they are so hairy!
    4: They stink! They bath like only a few times a year!
    5: They got just as much hygiene as barbarians.
    6: Ever try talking to dwarves before? They are more foul mouth then sailors!
    7: Their accent is so thick you need a chainsaw to cut through it.
    8: They should stop hiding in holes so often, out of sight, out of mind.
    9: Their fingers are more grubby then merchants!
    10: What we not done yet?


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    Quote Originally Posted by thunir View Post
    One Hand: Dwarves

    Other Hand: Elf, Drow, Sun Elf, Wood Elf, even Half-elf........
    Yeah, one list is pretty short.

    And here's a brighten-your-day Fact: If what the Devs have alluded to is still on track - we're getting another Elf race by the end of this calendar year. (yay?)
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    You could do that with other races as well.

    One hand : Warforged

    On the other hand : Elf, Drow, Sun-Elf, Wood-Elf, Half-Elf ...

    One hand : Halflings

    On the other hand : Elf, Drow, Sun-Elf, Wood-Elf, Half-Elf ...

    Having just read the finale of The Shard Axe, I'm a bit surprised, though, that from that rich Dwarven cultures of Ebberron there are so few in Stormreach ... But then, that's true for other cultures as well ...

    The only other Dwarven culture I've encountered in DDO so far are the Dürgar (Ataraxia's Heaven).
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    Im reasonably certain duergar iconic and a universal throw axe/hammer enhancement tree will be sold at some point over the coming years ...


    ...

    when it happens can we have a boomerang circle return throw cleave class attack clicky thing plz? with cool animation ...

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    I'm surprised that DDO have yet to give us Changeling or Shifter to synergy with Druid
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    why dont you hate dwarves is a better question
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    Well when you get the race perfect why add more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alrik_Fassbauer View Post
    You could do that with other races as well.

    One hand : Warforged

    On the other hand : Elf, Drow, Sun-Elf, Wood-Elf, Half-Elf ...

    One hand : Halflings

    On the other hand : Elf, Drow, Sun-Elf, Wood-Elf, Half-Elf ...

    Having just read the finale of The Shard Axe, I'm a bit surprised, though, that from that rich Dwarven cultures of Ebberron there are so few in Stormreach ... But then, that's true for other cultures as well ...

    The only other Dwarven culture I've encountered in DDO so far are the Dürgar (Ataraxia's Heaven).
    WF has Bladeforged, and Halflings are worthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunir View Post
    WF has Bladeforged, and Halflings are worthless.
    But they are still only 1 of the same race.
    Okay, Bladeforged are 2 now.
    Aasimar and Shadar-kai are also 2.
    Gnome are also 2

    However, I fail to see why Halflings are worthless.
    Maybe it's because I can't calculate them properly (light Dyscalculia).
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    Quote Originally Posted by thunir View Post
    One Hand: Dwarves

    Other Hand: Elf, Drow, Sun Elf, Wood Elf, even Half-elf........



    Lame Sauce. I don't know why you hate dwarves, but I would like to see this fixed soon
    Money and the inability to analyse correctly.

    Imagine this dev meating:
    Dev1: what about making a new dwarven race, variant or iconic? They are after all, a core race.
    Dev2: i'm overworked as is, what do you want me to drop?
    Beancounter: is there money in dwarves?
    Dev3: what does the community want? Looks at the few people who still play,
    Unnamed person that only plays with a small % of the community: elves see realy popular, we should make more of those.
    Dev4: looks up the % of races being played: dwarves are barely played at all (due to bad stats&enh)
    Beancounter: see, no need for dwarves, no one likes them, thus won't buy them.
    Dev5: what about more elves?
    Dev1: again? More? We have so many!
    Beancounter: agreed, no one wants to spend more money on even more elves.
    Dev5: but we can make them realy op so people want them.
    Dev2: and nerf them later?
    Beancounter: that would work, it did for warlocks
    Dev3: i'm nearly done with thieflings for our overlords at wotc, i'll reskin some elves after that.
    Dev4: sigh, i'll hastely coble some enh together, i'll make it into a arcane trickster type
    Dev1: but we have so many caster hybrids, an iconic dwarven barbarian or a brutish race like a half ogre/half giant would ballance things out, there are so many melee complaints lately.
    Dev2: but we added so many melee trees to full casters already, melee should be fine.
    Dev1: no melee isn't fine, the pure melee classes are the worst of in the game
    Unnamed person that only plays with a small % of the community: melees are op in the waterworks, they should be nerfed.
    Dev2: sigh, lower melee power in prowes and LD again?
    Dev1: the players won't like that, nor was there justification for that nerf.
    Unnamed person that only plays with a small % of the community: all the players like what i like and what do i like?
    Dev2&3 X-bows......
    Beancounter there has always been money in casters and ranged, sp pots etc, let's keep doing what we always do.
    Dev6: wakes up and shouts an aquatic elf, with seahorse mounts and whales, whales!!!!
    Management, thanks for your contribution, we'll go with the reskinned elven caster ranged hybrid, less risky, bound to make money with the least ammount of effort.
    Dev1:...but......
    Why don't we go of the the beaten path and ballance de he game out a bit?
    Unkown dev: too costly (whille trying to repress all the memoiries of being beaten up by jocks), we don't want to support str based melee
    Beancounter: too costly? Yeah, not gone happen, i agree, lets do the cheap reskin.

    All joking asside, the dev team seems to make choices based on the wrong information.
    Here is an article on why that is:
    https://www.trevorbragdon.com/blog/w...wrong-solution

    Add in some personal bias for ranged and casters, misunderstanding complaints like:
    Caster running out of sp so they give them melee trees
    No one playing healers so devs give them powerfull casting and melee options.
    Melee sucks and shrugging it of with a: "but we gave so many non melee classes melee trees, why are you still complaining?

    Douglass Adams pointed this out years ago in his book.
    By asking the wrong questions, you get faulty awnsers.
    The devs don't understand what their customers want and we end up with what? 4? Elves and 1 dwarf.
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    I play a guy with a two-hander not just in this game, but in every game that has 'em.
    Quote Originally Posted by J-mann View Post
    Not to derail the thread, but then can you make 2hf NOT suck so much compared to 2wf or swf?
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    8 pages in, that train has already sailed. The dead horse is canned into cat food by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyrecono View Post
    The devs don't understand what their customers want and we end up with what? 4? Elves and 1 dwarf.
    Who says the customers want more dwarves? All the elf races added so far are base races except wood elf. Dwarf only has 1 type as a base race.

    Quote Originally Posted by lyrecono View Post
    Add in some personal bias for ranged and casters, misunderstanding complaints like:
    Caster running out of sp so they give them melee trees
    No one playing healers so devs give them powerfull casting and melee options.
    Melee sucks and shrugging it of with a: "but we gave so many non melee classes melee trees, why are you still complaining?
    The devs didn't give casters melee trees because they run out of SP, they didn't give healers dps trees because nobody plays them. You cannot take an answer and link it to a question that suits your purpose. You clearly see effect and think up a cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tepi View Post
    Who says the customers want more dwarves? All the elf races added so far are base races except wood elf. Dwarf only has 1 type as a base race.



    The devs didn't give casters melee trees because they run out of SP, they didn't give healers dps trees because nobody plays them. You cannot take an answer and link it to a question that suits your purpose. You clearly see effect and think up a cause.
    ugh, the purpose of my long winded story was that there are reasons why behind the alterations in the game that the devs make, coated with a thick layer of sarcasm. knowing this now, put on your +6 wisdom googles of sense motive +15 and try again.
    That article i linked explains some of the design choices perfectly
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlimsyFirewood View Post
    I play a guy with a two-hander not just in this game, but in every game that has 'em.
    Quote Originally Posted by J-mann View Post
    Not to derail the thread, but then can you make 2hf NOT suck so much compared to 2wf or swf?
    Quote Originally Posted by FlimsyFirewood View Post
    8 pages in, that train has already sailed. The dead horse is canned into cat food by now.

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