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    Default A Sharn Ready Paladin - Vanguard for all seasons

    Hello Friends, Strimtom here!

    You might have had the chance to play my fighter vanguard build, but let me tell you about paladin vanguard. It is versatile, defensive, and also more supportive than fighter vanguard. I explain the differences in this video here.

    FAQ

    So tiefling is the best race? What about war hammer?

    No, Aasimar is the best race since you can use the ascendant fallen bond. To play that just swap some points out of stalwart defender if you don't have enough racial to make it work.

    War hammer was used by me since I thought it would be cool for flavor. Soul Razor is a better option. Just swap all the war hammer stuff for sword stuff.

    Is this better or worse then fighter?

    • Better HP
    • Better Armorclass
    • Better Healing
    • Instant True Resurrection in Combat
    • Same Crowd Control
    • Same PRR/MRR
    • 2/3 of fighter DPS


    Good for soloing?

    Absolutely! This build is able to solo really easily thanks to access to cure spells and lay on hands for sticky situations. You also get full wand access.

    First life friendly?

    This build is 100% first life friendly. It won't be as useful in the endgame as fighter vanguard but it is still good, although on a first lifer stay below R3, especially in sharn.

    How come you don't have Sharn items?

    There are like 50 bazillion items in this expansion and I haven't finished my PHD yet, so I haven't been able to make a new gear set. I'm sure if you love this build you can find something better.

    Vanguard Paladin
    Paladin 20
    Lawful Good Tiefling


    Stats
    . . . . . . . .28pt . . 32pt. . .34pt . . 36pt. . .Tome. . .Level Up
    . . . . . . . .---- . . ----. . .---- . . ----. . .---- . . --------
    Strength. . . . 14. . . .16 . . . 16. . . .16 . . . +6 . . . 4: CHA
    Dexterity . . . 14. . . . 8 . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . +6 . . . 8: CHA
    Constitution. . 14. . . .14 . . . 15. . . .16 . . . +6 . . .12: CHA
    Intelligence. . .8. . . . 8 . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . +6 . . .16: CHA
    Wisdom. . . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . +6 . . .20: CHA
    Charisma. . . . 18. . . .20 . . . 20. . . .20 . . . +6 . . .24: CHA
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28: CHA


    Skills (Errors)
    . . . . . 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
    . . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
    Intim . . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    Diplo . . . . . . . . . . . 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 2. 2. 2. 2. 2. 3. 21
    UMD . . . 2. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. . .11
    . . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
    . . . . . 8. 2. 2. 2. 2. 2. 3. 3. 3. 3. 3. 3. 3. 3. 4. 4. 4. 4. 4. 4
    Max . . . 4. 2. 2. 2. 2. 2. 3. 3. 3. 3. 3. 3. 3. 3. 4. 4. 4. 4. 4. 4



    Feats

    .1. . . . : Shield Mastery
    .3. . . . : Completionist or Weapon Focus Bludgeoning or Toughness
    .6. . . . : Knight's Training
    .9. . . . : Improved Critical: Bludgeoning
    12. . . . : Improved Shield Mastery
    15. . . . : Quicken Spell
    18. . . . : Child of: Onatar
    21 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
    24 Epic . : Beloved of: Onatar
    26 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
    27 Epic . : Epic Damage Reduction
    28 Destiny: Pierce Damage Reduction: Adamantine
    29 Destiny: Dire Charge
    30 Epic . : Precision
    30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea

    .1 Deity. : Follower of: Onatar
    .6 Deity. : Onatar's Forge


    Spells

    1. Divine Favor (4), Cure Light Wounds (6), Lesser Restoration (14), Seek Eternal Rest (18)
    2. Resist Energy (8), Remove Paralysis (10), Angelskin (16), Eagle's Splendor (19)
    3. Remove Blindness (11), Remove Curse (12), Prayer (19), <Any>
    4. <Any>, <Any>, <Any>, <Any>


    Enhancements (80+8 AP)

    Vanguard (42 AP)
    • To the Fore!, Shield Combat I, Vicious Shield I, Shield Combat II, Vicious Shield II, Shield Champion
      1. Shield Specialization, Shield Smash III
      2. Shield Specialization, Brutality I, Stunning Shield III, Melee Power Boost III
      3. Shield Specialization, Fatal Bulwark, Strength
      4. Shield Specialization, Armor Mastery III, Shield Charge III
      5. Disorienting Smash III, Shield Charge III, Armored Strength

    Sacred Defender (25 AP)
    • Holy Bastion, Sacred Defense, Divine Righteousness, Redemption
      1. Item Defense III, Extra Lay On Hands III, Durable Defense III, Sacred Armor Mastery III
      2. (none)
      3. Tenacious Defense III, Charisma
      4. Swift Defense, Strong Defense III

    Knight of the Chalice (13 AP)
    • Slayer of Evil, Courage of Heaven, Slayer of Evil II
      1. Extra Smite II, Attack Boost I
      2. Divine Might III

    Tiefling (8 AP)
    • Bloodhunt I
      1. Hellish Rebuke, Wand and Scroll Mastery III
      2. Ferocious Rebuke, Infernal Resistance: Acid


    Destiny (24 AP)

    Legendary Dreadnought
    1. Legendary Tactics III, Extra Action Boost III, Strength
    2. Strength
    3. Haste Boost II, Strength
    4. Strength
    5. Advancing Blows, Devastating Critical
    6. Master's Blitz, Pulverizer

    Twists of Fate (30 fate points)
    1. Sense Weakness (Tier 4 Fury)
    2. Endless Lay On Hands (Tier 3 Sentinel)
    3. Legendary Shield Mastery (Tier 2 Sentinel)
    4. Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal)


    Pre-Sharn Items
    Goggles: Precision Lenses
    Helm: Executioners Helm
    Necklace: Ward Inscribed Pendant
    Trinket: Curse Bane Focus
    Cloak: Mantle of Fury
    Belt: Animated Rope
    Ring1: Slavelords Ring - Trip, Accuracy, Sheltering, Quality Strength
    Ring2: Band of Insightful Commands
    Gloves: Gauntlets of Innate Arcanum
    Boots: Softsole Slippers
    Bracers: Bracers of the Fallen Hero
    Armor: Coat of the Traveler
    Weapon: Echo of Whelm
    Shield: Best Defense
    Last edited by Strimtom; 05-27-2019 at 05:03 PM.
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    What would you replace completionist with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgtgtd View Post
    What would you replace completionist with?
    Added it to the guide, I would do weapon focus or toughness. Those seem like the best options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strimtom View Post
    Added it to the guide, I would do weapon focus or toughness. Those seem like the best options.
    I went with Force of Personality for the saves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citiplaysddo View Post
    I went with Force of Personality for the saves.
    Paladins already get to add their Charisma modifier to all their saves, so that's honestly not necessary.

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    Default Sharn gearing

    I'd use this for sharn gear. Does need raid boots. Slavelord belt needed for MRR and vertigo. Symbol of slavelords seems odd, but covers the hard to slot diplacement and insight CON. Castigator is an all star piece of equipment to boost healing and prr/mrr. Ruby ring could be upgraded to 21 STR and then free up boot slot to avoid raid gear. Could put 3rd slavelords piece there or flightfoot boots for haste/natural AC.

    Armor: Enforcer ^^
    Weapon: Soulrazor and Everstorm
    Belt: Shelter / Resistance / Vertigo / Quality STR
    Offhand: Best Defense
    Boots: Piston
    Cloak: Fury
    Gloves: Hammerfist ^^
    Helm: Umber
    Bracers: Castigator
    Goggles: Collective Sight - CHA / Insight CHA
    Necklace: Sigil ^^
    Ring: Celestial Ruby
    Ring: Radiant Ring of Taer Valaestas - Artifact
    Trinket: Symbol of Slavelords

    STR: 21 enhancement + 2 profane + 4 quality (insight covered by divine might)

    DEX:

    CON: 19 enhancement + 8 insight + 2 profane

    INT:

    WIS: 22 enhancement + 2 profane

    CHA: 21 enhancement + 10 insight + 2 profane

    Accuracy: 33 enhancement + 17 insight + 8 quality

    Doublestrike: 23 enhancement + 11 insight

    Seeker: 21 enhancement

    PRR: 54 + 26

    MRR: 45 + 26

    Ghostly, Lesser Displacement

    Devotion: 214 spellpower, 31% crit

    Stunning: 24 + 5 Quality

    Vertigo: 20 + 5 Quality

    Heal Amp: 81

    Deadly: all 3

    And more, but it looks good to me.
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    a couple of things i found, which i would change a bit

    [QUOTE=Strimtom;6215745]Hello Friends, Strimtom here!

    You might have had the chance to play my fighter vanguard build, but let me tell you about paladin vanguard. It is versatile, defensive, and also more supportive than fighter vanguard. I explain the differences in this video here.

    FAQ

    So tiefling is the best race? What about war hammer?

    No, Aasimar is the best race since you can use the ascendant fallen bond. To play that just swap some points out of stalwart defender if you don't have enough racial to make it work.

    * totally agreee on Aasimar as the best race, whatever you use fallen or protector bond is up to playstyle (but 7 AP's for recharging LoH is hard to beat)

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    i don't see the use for diplomacy unless you plan to run in standart groups ....
    here i would rather put some pts in concentration (all the clw / csw / cmw won't help you, if you get perma interupted)
    and put the rest in Heal


    Spells

    here in 4th lvl 2 Spells are a no brainer the 3rd is imho 99%

    [4th]Holy Sword, Zeal, *Cure Serious Wounds*

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    Strimtom. Let me preface this by saying I love watching your stuff on YouTube. But I definitely need your help can this be done with no tomes and on a dwarf and warforged I'm trying to get the facials for dwarf and warforged and epic pls started making me a bit sturdier as I'm leveling

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    So my static group is about to TR and I'm the tank and nobody else is gonna tank and there's a distinct structural weakness when fighting the abundant undead. So, I'm thinking, Paladin may be way to go for proper undead destroying power and tanking/damage in every other situation. Problem is, I don't know **** about how to build a Paladin like that.

    So I'm looking at the Paladin forum and like the first build I open, it's Strimtom. Ok cool, Strimtoms "acid arrow" made me play a ranged ranger. Not *his* build for a ranged ranger but still. But when reading this build all I'm thinking is "Is this a troll build" and I don't know if this is a troll build, because I don't know pallies enough, I don't know if some actual obscure mechanics that are not explained or that I'm overlooking make this work somehow.

    Assuming it is not a troll build, reading it just makes me go ***. No Power Attack or Precision? Full Vanguard without Improved Shield Bash or Tower Shield Proficiency? Child of Onatar? SERIOUSLY IS THIS A TROLL BUILD? I repeat, I haven't built a pally in like a decade and simply don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corrupt View Post
    So my static group is about to TR and I'm the tank and nobody else is gonna tank and there's a distinct structural weakness when fighting the abundant undead. So, I'm thinking, Paladin may be way to go for proper undead destroying power and tanking/damage in every other situation. Problem is, I don't know **** about how to build a Paladin like that.

    So I'm looking at the Paladin forum and like the first build I open, it's Strimtom. Ok cool, Strimtoms "acid arrow" made me play a ranged ranger. Not *his* build for a ranged ranger but still. But when reading this build all I'm thinking is "Is this a troll build" and I don't know if this is a troll build, because I don't know pallies enough, I don't know if some actual obscure mechanics that are not explained or that I'm overlooking make this work somehow.

    Assuming it is not a troll build, reading it just makes me go ***. No Power Attack or Precision? Full Vanguard without Improved Shield Bash or Tower Shield Proficiency? Child of Onatar? SERIOUSLY IS THIS A TROLL BUILD? I repeat, I haven't built a pally in like a decade and simply don't know.
    1) best shield atm is a large shield
    2) u need very high to hit to run with powrr attack , probably paladin cant reach high to hit numbers
    3) improved shield bash prob is needed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corrupt View Post
    Assuming it is not a troll build, reading it just makes me go ***. No Power Attack or Precision? Full Vanguard without Improved Shield Bash or Tower Shield Proficiency? Child of Onatar? SERIOUSLY IS THIS A TROLL BUILD? I repeat, I haven't built a pally in like a decade and simply don't know.
    I'm honestly not sure why Precision isn't in there. IMO, take it at 3 or 18, depending on whether you have Completionist. Regardless, the Onatar feats are underwhelming given they lock you in to Warhammer - the whole point of Knight's Training is to open up a range of weapons (provided they have Keen/Impact), eg Oathblade at 20

    Power Attack will soon no longer be required for LD, and as Alled says it's not going to do a lot for you at cap. Alled also hints at the lack of Tower Shield Proficiency - Sharn and Ravenloft Tower shields are meant for pure tank builds. Legendary Best Defense, on the other hand, is clearly a DPS shield, which Strimtom mentions in his other thread is the whole point of his Vanguard builds

    Depending on your gear, ISB may not get you much DPS. Shield bashing is apparently capped at 1/s for animation purposes. The Vanguard tree grants 40% bashing by level 12 and you can easily get another 9 from the heroic Best Defense. You'll be making at least two attacks per second by level 12, so you can expect an average of one bash per second with this rate. By 30 you can bump that to a total of 71% without ISB, by which point you'll be attacking at least three times per second. More bash chance isn't bad, but there are diminishing returns

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    Quote Originally Posted by Discpsycho View Post
    I'm honestly not sure why Precision isn't in there. IMO, take it at 3 or 18, depending on whether you have Completionist. Regardless, the Onatar feats are underwhelming given they lock you in to Warhammer - the whole point of Knight's Training is to open up a range of weapons (provided they have Keen/Impact), eg Oathblade at 20

    Power Attack will soon no longer be required for LD, and as Alled says it's not going to do a lot for you at cap. Alled also hints at the lack of Tower Shield Proficiency - Sharn and Ravenloft Tower shields are meant for pure tank builds. Legendary Best Defense, on the other hand, is clearly a DPS shield, which Strimtom mentions in his other thread is the whole point of his Vanguard builds

    Depending on your gear, ISB may not get you much DPS. Shield bashing is apparently capped at 1/s for animation purposes. The Vanguard tree grants 40% bashing by level 12 and you can easily get another 9 from the heroic Best Defense. You'll be making at least two attacks per second by level 12, so you can expect an average of one bash per second with this rate. By 30 you can bump that to a total of 71% without ISB, by which point you'll be attacking at least three times per second. More bash chance isn't bad, but there are diminishing returns
    You are a tank, tanks have all defensive stats, precision doesn't sound defensive to me.

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