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    Quote Originally Posted by EllisDee37 View Post
    Because of the self-healing penalty in reaper, people will slather on way more healing amp and devotion than they normally would just so their self-heals do something. That ends up meaning that other people can heal them very easily.
    Ah, I think there's the rub. When I was playing self-healing builds were not unheard of but uncommon, so a lot of pugs would fill to five and then wait for a healer. Looking through the lfg panel confirms it - this is no longer the case, and the niche I was looking to fill simply doesn't exist anymore. Oh well! The SLA build does seem better anyway, I'll give it a whirl when I unlock drow.

    Thanks for the input, everyone!

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    Nice build, E' - couple minor things...

    Quote Originally Posted by EllisDee37 View Post
    Mechanic (10 AP)
    • Arbalester
      1. Mechanics III, Awareness III
      2. Skill Boost III
    Warpriest (4 AP)
    • Smite Foe: Melee
      1. Awareness III
    I don't believe(?) those 2x Awareness stack, right?

    If not, the Warpriest's is better (+1 vs. Traps, which should stack), and Mech can drop 2 pts in Sharpshooter and spend the other 1 anywhere.

    (Also - Smite Foe: "Melee"? Thought he was shying away from melee, no? Either way, neither Str nor Dex are anything to count on for landing attacks.) :/


    And I think he could get away with this minor tweak and be better off, no?
    Code:
    Stats
                   28pt     Level Up
                   ----     --------
    Strength        11       4: INT
    Dexterity       10       8: WIS
    Constitution    12      12: WIS
    Intelligence    19      16: WIS
    Wisdom          14      20: WIS
    Charisma        10      24: WIS
                            28: WIS
    
    Skills
    . . . . . R .C .C .C .C .C .C .C .C .R. C. C. C. C. C. C. C. C. C. C
    . . . . . 1 .2 .3 .4 .5 .6 .7 .8 .9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
    . . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
    Disable . 4 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 . . 2 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .23
    Spot. . . 4 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    Concent . 2 .2 . . 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 3. . .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .22
    Search. . 4 . . 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .22
    UMD . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . .9. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13
    ...etc...
    . . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
    . . . . .48 .6 .6 .7 .7 .7 .7 .7 .7 13 .7 .7 .7 .7 .7 .7 .7 .7 .7 .7
    Overall:
    o +2 Wisdom to start, +1 @ end, for better Spell Points Saves, etc
    o +1 Str (for 25 lbs more lift)
    o -1 in one Trapping skill (I chose Search, b/c of Drow's +2 to Search. Could as easily be Spot, or even DD or 2 points in Concentration - dealer's choice)
    o And he drops, I dunno... Diplomacy 4 as a Lvl 1 buy. Several to choose from to toss over the side.

    You could also go further and dump 2 points total from Int, lose 3 points total in (whichever) Trapping skills, and get 6 more build points to play with, but that's bigger decisions. Just an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinerd View Post
    Ah, I think there's the rub. When I was playing self-healing builds were not unheard of but uncommon, so a lot of pugs would fill to five and then wait for a healer. Looking through the lfg panel confirms it - this is no longer the case, and the niche I was looking to fill simply doesn't exist anymore. Oh well! The SLA build does seem better anyway, I'll give it a whirl when I unlock drow.
    That's also why we were confused in our initial replies. We see "cleric with trapping skills" and immediately think "soloist."

    If you're less firm on the healbotting, the mechanic variation I posted would be much, much stronger than the SLA one, and still be able to healbot as needed/desired.



    Quote Originally Posted by C-Dog View Post
    I don't believe(?) those 2x Awareness stack, right?
    They do. The key is that they do different things, as you point out. Enhancements that do different things stack. I believe (IIRC) that all the Awareness enhancements are slightly different for this exact reason.

    (Also - Smite Foe: "Melee"? Thought he was shying away from melee, no? Either way, neither Str nor Dex are anything to count on for landing attacks.) :/
    Both are equally (completely) useless, so I picked the one that was more obviously useless. It's just to unlock tier 1s.

    Quote Originally Posted by C-Dog View Post
    o +2 Wisdom to start, +1 @ end, for better Spell Points Saves, etc
    o +1 Str (for 25 lbs more lift)
    o -1 in one Trapping skill (I chose Search, b/c of Drow's +2 to Search. Could as easily be Spot, or even DD or 2 points in Concentration - dealer's choice)
    o And he drops, I dunno... Diplomacy 4 as a Lvl 1 buy. Several to choose from to toss over the side.
    Either way it's largely moot.

    This is one of those rare builds where I found the stat levelups to be almost wholly unnecessary. I could rationalize doing the levelups in Wisdom, Intelligence, Charisma, Constitution, or even (if you squint) Strength and the build would still be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinerd View Post
    Thanks for the tip on resets! I don't remember how it used to be but it's a relief that I won't mess anything up too much as I feel my way in the new system.
    The reset cost increase when you are doing it several times in the same day, but reset each day. Plus it's cheaper when you have few points in the enhancement tree, so don't hesitate to reset soon, in order to try new things.

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