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    Default Help with Trapper Build - First Life 32 point

    Looking for help with a build - going to be duoing with friend - pure pally - and using hirelings. Looking for a Trapper build that will provide solid dps and trapping. Used Strimtom's Acid arrow build as the basis,https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...riendlyhttp:// with 2 rogue levels splashed. I know I will need a DEX Tome to get Combat archery at 21.... but would appreciate any feedback or help.

    Requirements: MAX Trapping Skills, Solid DPS (understanding that in order to get MAX trapping skills something has to give)




    Trapper Rogue
    18/2 Ranger/Rogue
    True Neutral Human


    Level Order

    1. Rogue . . . . . 6. Ranger. . . . .11. Ranger. . . . .16. Ranger
    2. Ranger . . . . .7. Ranger . . . . 12. Ranger . . . . 17. Ranger
    3. Ranger . . . . .8. Ranger . . . . 13. Ranger . . . . 18. Ranger
    4. Ranger . . . . .9. Rogue . . . . .14. Ranger. . . . .19. Ranger
    5. Ranger . . . . 10. Ranger . . . . 15. Ranger . . . . 20. Ranger



    Stats
    . . . . . . . .32pt
    . . . . . . . .----
    Strength. . . . .8
    Dexterity . . . 18
    Constitution. . 14
    Intelligence. . 14
    Wisdom. . . . . 12
    Charisma. . . . .8. . .



    Skills
    . . . . .Rg Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rg Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn
    . . . . . 1 .2 .3 .4 .5 .6 .7 .8 .9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
    . . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
    Disable . 4 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    Open Lo . 4 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    Search. . 4 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    Spot. . . 4 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    UMD . . . 4 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    Spellcr . 2 .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ .½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. 11½
    Balance . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .9
    Bluff . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
    Jump. . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
    Haggle. . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
    Swim. . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2
    Tumble. . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2
    . . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
    . . . . .44 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 11 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9



    Feats (Errors)

    .1. . . . : Point Blank Shot
    .1 Human. : Toughness
    .3. . . . : Precision
    .6. . . . : Dodge
    .9. . . . : Improved Critical: Ranged
    12. . . . : Mobility
    15. . . . : Shot on the Run
    18. . . . : Weapon Focus: Ranged
    21 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
    24 Epic . : Combat Archery
    26 Destiny: Holy Strike
    27 Epic . : Blinding Speed
    28 Destiny: Doubleshot
    29 Destiny: Embodiment of Law
    30 Epic . : Epic Reflexes
    30 Legend : Scion of: Plane of Earth

    .2 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Undead
    .6 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Giant
    12 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
    17 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Construct


    Spells

    1. Ram's Might (5), Jump (7), Longstrider (16), Merfolk's Blessing (20)
    2. Cure Light Wounds (10), Barkskin (12), Protection from Energy (18)
    3. Cure Moderate Wounds (13), Remove Disease (14)
    4. Freedom of Movement (16), Cure Serious Wounds (17)


    Enhancements (80 AP)

    Arcane Archer (40 AP)
    • Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows, Metalline Arrows, Aligned Arrows, Shadow Arrows
      1. Conjure Arrows, Energy of the Wild III, Corrosive Arrows, Awareness III
      2. Dispelling Shot III, Force Arrows III, Shock Arrows
      3. Soul Magic, Elemental Damage, Dexterity
      4. Banishing Arrows, Smiting Arrows, Flaming Arrows, Dexterity

    Deepwood Stalker (39 AP)
    • Far Shot, Sneak Attack, Sniper Shot, Advanced Sneak Attack, Mark of the Hunted
      1. Favored Defense III, Increased Empathy I
      2. Survivalist, Improved Weapon Finesse, Melee/Range Power Boost III
      3. Survivalist, Favored Hunter III, Dexterity
      4. Survivalist, Killer III, Merciful Shot, Dexterity
      5. Extra Favored Enemy: Human, Heavy Draw, Strikes Like Lightning, Improved Archer's Focus

    Human (1 AP)
    • Skills Boost
    Last edited by Adz; 05-19-2019 at 09:55 AM.

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    Unless you really need the extra skill points, there's no much point in taking rogue 2. You already get Evasion from ranger level 9 and you don't spend any APs on tier-2 rogue enhancements. So I'd consider a different splash. On a F2P build, I like barb for the +10% runspeed since ranger doesn't get any inherent movement bonuses.

    Feats: you don't need Toughness anymore and I'm underwhelmed by the D/M/SotR chain - not enough ROI to be worth three feats, IMO. BTW the builder is giving you an error because you forgot to pick your stat level-ups so technically your DEX is too low for Combat Archery (DEX 21).

    So I was thinking something like this:
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    Archer Trapper (F2P)
    18/1/1 Ranger/Barbarian/Rogue
    True Neutral Human
    
    
    Level Order
    
    1. Rogue           6. Ranger         11. Ranger         16. Ranger
    2. Ranger          7. Ranger         12. Ranger         17. Ranger
    3. Ranger          8. Barbarian      13. Ranger         18. Ranger
    4. Ranger          9. Ranger         14. Ranger         19. Ranger
    5. Ranger         10. Ranger         15. Ranger         20. Ranger
    
    
    Stats
                   32pt     Level Up
                   ----     --------
    Strength         8       4: DEX
    Dexterity       16       8: DEX
    Constitution    14      12: DEX
    Intelligence    16      16: DEX
    Wisdom          14      20: DEX
    Charisma         8      24: DEX
                            28: DEX
    
    Skills
             Rg Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Bn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn Rn
              1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
             ------------------------------------------------------------
    Disable   4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
    Search    4  1  1  1  1  1  1     2  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
    Spot      4  1  1  1  1  1  1     2  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
    UMD       4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
    Concent   2  2  2     2     2     2     2     2     2     2     2     22
    Open Lo   4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1     1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  22
    Spellcr   2        1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1  11
    Balance   4                                                            4
    Jump      4                                                            4
    Hide      4                                                            4
    Move Si   4                                                            4
    Tumble    4                                                            4
             ------------------------------------------------------------
             48 10 10 10 10 10 10  8 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10
    
    
    Feats
    
     1        : Point Blank Shot
     1 Human  : Least Dragonmark: Passage
     3        : Precision
     6        : Quicken Spell
     9        : Improved Critical: Ranged
    12        : Empower Healing Spell
    15        : Weapon Focus: Ranged
    18        : Spell Focus: Enchantment
    21 Epic   : Combat Archery
    24 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
    26 Destiny: Holy Strike OR Epic Spell Power: Acid
    27 Epic   : Blinding Speed OR Epic Damage Reduction
    28 Destiny: Doubleshot
    29 Destiny: Embodiment of Law OR Deific Warding
    30 Epic   : Watchful Eye OR Epic Damage Reduction
    30 Legend : Scion of: Plane of Earth
    
     2 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Undead
     6 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Construct
    12 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
    17 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Elemental
    
    
    Enhancements (80 AP)
    
    Deepwood Stalker (42 AP)
    
    • Far Shot, Sneak Attack, Sniper Shot, Advanced Sneak Attack, Mark of the Hunted
      1. Stealthy III, Increased Empathy III
      2. Survivalist, Improved Weapon Finesse, Melee/Range Power Boost III
      3. Survivalist, Thrill of the Hunt III, Favored Hunter III
      4. Survivalist, Killer III, Merciful Shot
      5. Extra Favored Enemy: Giant, Heavy Draw, Strikes Like Lightning, Head Shot, Improved Archer's Focus
    Arcane Archer (31 AP)
    • Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows, Metalline Arrows, Aligned Arrows, Shadow Arrows
      1. Conjure Arrows, Energy of the Wild III, Corrosive Arrows
      2. Force Arrows I, Elemental Damage
      3. Terror Arrows, Soul Magic, Elemental Damage, Dexterity
      4. Banishing Arrows, Paralyzing Arrows, Smiting Arrows, Elemental Damage, Dexterity
    Human (7 AP)
    • Damage Boost
      1. Dragonmark Focus: Orien II, Improved Recovery
      2. Lesser Dragonmark: Dimension Door
    Apart from a cool glowing tattoo - which is obviously the most important feature - the Passage Dragonmark gives you Expeditious Retreat right away and Dimension Door later on. DDoor is both a handy emergency exit and certain quests are easier/faster to finish when you can jump back to the entrance rather than backtracking on your feet.

    The Concentration skill just got a major buff so it's should be useful now (knock on wood), but I hedged my bets by also picking up Quicken. Or you could spend those points on Heal instead for higher Positive Spellpower.

    Like I said, the barb splash is for the run speed. It also adds medium armor proficiency which you might want to use for a couple of levels instead of light until you get Evasion at level 11 (rgr 9 / rog 1 / barb 1). You can take it sooner, but I wanted to grab Manyshot ASAP since that's your most important ranged feat.

    Due to AP and skill pt constraints, I didn't build for stealth. But if you want to do so, know that the Assassin Stealthy and DWS Faster Sneaking speed bonuses will stack together. You could take Move Silently instead of Concentration, then use Invisibility (drinking potions or UMDing wands) to make up for not having Hide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    Unless you really need the extra skill points, there's no much point in taking rogue 2. You already get Evasion from ranger level 9 and you don't spend any APs on tier-2 rogue enhancements. So I'd consider a different splash. On a F2P build, I like barb for the +10% runspeed since ranger doesn't get any inherent movement bonuses.
    Much appreciated for you taking the time to review and suggest. One question, would it be worth going with Fighter instead of Barb for the extra weapon feat?

    I also noticed you put a lot of points into Concentration. What is the benefit of this to the build?

    Again - appreciate your time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adz View Post
    Requirements: MAX Trapping Skills, Solid DPS (understanding that in order to get MAX trapping skills something has to give)
    This is incorrect. You do not need to give up anything meaningful to get MAX trapping skills.

    Start with 14 INT and just keep putting points into Search and Disable Device and make sure that you're crafting level appropriate gear for Search and Disable Device. Make sure you have a Good Luck item and use Heroism potions until you can scroll Greater Heroism on yourself.

    Have a True Seeing item and a +reflex save item (the +10 Reflex save bonus on armor from the Xoriat themed quests is great)

    You might not be able to survive combat on R10, but you'll be able to get the traps. That will be true just about no matter what class you have added to Rogue or Artificer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adz View Post
    One question, would it be worth going with Fighter instead of Barb for the extra weapon feat?
    Up to you, but I don't feel like on a pure ranged build you're missing any necessary heroic feats, whereas an inherent +10% runspeed is an overall QoL improvement. The first time you need to kite a mob, you realize how important moving fast really is.
    I also noticed you put a lot of points into Concentration. What is the benefit of this to the build?
    https://ddowiki.com/page/Concentration

    "When you take damage you roll a D20 + your Concentration score against a difficulty class of 10 + one tenth of the damage received + the level of the spell you are trying to cast. This check occurs when either casting from spellpoints or using a scroll."

    The "one tenth of damage received" is new. It used to be based on the full damage received, which made Concentration useless in higher levels / difficulties because it was literally impossible to boost Concentration high enough to offset full damage. As I said, it's not a must-have because I also took the Quicken metamagic feat, but it is hopefully worth the skill points now.
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    Interesting. Thanks to everyone for your help. I will give this a go and see how it fairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adz View Post
    Interesting. Thanks to everyone for your help. I will give this a go and see how it fairs.
    Terrible build. You should reroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beau_burnham View Post
    Terrible build. You should reroll.
    Sounds to me like a pure troll attempt, especially since you give no better example (as I see this, yout post count is exactly 1 - the post I quoted here).
    "Archbishop Dryden wants to talk to you to tapper this dale."
    "Archbishop Dryden wants to talk to you to tap on this dale."
    "Archbishop Dryden wants to talk to you to tap on this tale."
    English is not my first language - misinterpretations galore !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alrik_Fassbauer View Post
    Sounds to me like a pure troll attempt, especially since you give no better example (as I see this, yout post count is exactly 1 - the post I quoted here).
    Definite troll. But I'm the guy he's playing with.

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