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    Default Can I get some opinions on this build please.

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    Dynok 
    Level 20 Lawful Neutral Elf Male
    (13 Monk \ 1 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
    Hit Points: 308
    Spell Points: 200 
    BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
    Fortitude: 19
    Reflex: 21
    Will: 22
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             14                    22
    Dexterity            14                    22
    Constitution         12                    20
    Intelligence         12                    19
    Wisdom               18                    30
    Charisma              8                    15
    
    Tomes Used
    +7 Tome of Strength used at level 1 \par +7 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1 \par +7 Tome of Constitution used at level 1 \par +7 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1 \par +7 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1 \par +7 Tome of Charisma used at level 1 \par 
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               4                    18
    Bluff                 0                     2
    Concentration         1                    11
    Diplomacy             0                     2
    Disable Device        4                    25
    Haggle                0                     2
    Heal                  0                    17
    Hide                  1                     7
    Intimidate            0                     3
    Jump                  4                    24
    Listen                2                    19
    Move Silently         1                     7
    Open Lock             4                    12
    Perform               n/a                   n/a
    Repair                0                     5
    Search                6                    29
    Spellcraft            1                     5.5
    Spot                  6                    39
    Swim                  2                     8
    Tumble                n/a                   n/a
    Use Magic Device      4                    25
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Dodge
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Druid
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
    Enhancement: Elf - Elven Accuracy (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Arbalester (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Harper Agent - Agent of Good (Rank 1)
    
    
    Level 2 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
    Enhancement: Elf - Aerenal Weapon Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Arcane Archer (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Corrosive Arrows (Rank 1)
    
    
    Level 3 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Selected) Mobility
    
    
    Level 4 (Ranger)
    
    
    Level 5 (Ranger)
    
    
    Level 6 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
    
    
    Level 7 (Ranger)
    
    
    Level 8 (Monk)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Precision
    
    
    Level 9 (Monk)
    Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery
    
    
    Level 10 (Monk)
    Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
    
    
    Level 11 (Monk)
    
    
    Level 12 (Monk)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
    
    
    Level 13 (Monk)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Spring Attack
    
    
    Level 14 (Monk)
    
    
    Level 15 (Monk)
    Feat: (Selected) Whirlwind Attack
    
    
    Level 16 (Monk)
    
    
    Level 17 (Monk)
    
    
    Level 18 (Monk)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
    
    
    Level 19 (Monk)
    
    
    Level 20 (Monk)
    Enhancement: Elf - Elven Dexterity (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Elf - Elven Accuracy (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Elf - Enchantment Lore (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Elf - Aerenal Weapon Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Riddle of Fire (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Ki Bolt (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Porous Soul (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Way of the Faithful Hound (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Static Charge (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Contemplation (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Contemplation (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Sharpshooter (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Mechanic (Rog) - Mechanics (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Bastion of Purity (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Protection from Tainted Creatures (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Hand (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Difficulty at the Beginning (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Deft Strikes (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Exemplar (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Iron Skin (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Eagle Claw Attack (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Conditioning (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Shintao (Mnk) - Constitution (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Harper Agent - Harper Enchantment (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Harper Agent - Awareness (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Harper Agent - Awareness (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Harper Agent - Harper Leadership (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Morphic Arrows (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Metalline Arrows (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Awareness (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Awareness (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Force Arrows (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Force Arrows (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Arcane Archer (Rgr) - Elemental Damage (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Shield of Whirling Steel (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Tempest (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Item Defense (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Item Defense (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Defense (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Defense (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Defense (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Parry (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Parry (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Improved Parry (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Storm Dancer (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Critical Mastery (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Critical Mastery (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Critical Mastery (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Strength (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Tempest (Rgr) - Storm Tempest (Rank 1)

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    It would be easier to try and help you if you'd mention what your play style is, or what it is you expect your build to do.
    as it is, it's one of the worst caster builds I've ever seen.

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    Default Updated with more info.....

    Sorry for not providing more info., so here is what I was looking for ..... and Im not sure what you saw to think this was a caster build.... but anyway Im looking for solo running, with healing and range with melee as needed and also survivability, and trapping skills. Mostly for the monk PL. Im not to good with the monk strikes so I was hoping not to use them, except the healing ki.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfgddo View Post
    Sorry for not providing more info ..... and Im not sure what you saw to think this was a caster build....
    It was a joke sorry if it didn't come through as such.



    As for the build, I would take greater two weapon fighting & grandmaster of forms, max dexterity over strength (tempest enhancements will give you dex to hit & Damage), drop zen archery, go for dance of death enhancement from tempest tier 5 (much better than whirlwind IMO)

    Alternatively, if you prefer ranged to melee, I would definitely take improved precise shot.

    -- forgot to mention, but your build won't be using wraps early on without the monk levels, I'm guessing a Carnifex? I wouldn't use two weapon fighting before having the imp. twf (ranger lvl6) anyways.
    Last edited by Lauf; 05-12-2019 at 09:03 PM.

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    To highlight what the other poster said. Can you clarify what you want? It seems like kill tings and also trap or are you interested in the monk past life or ? Fighter will generally be much faster at killing things. Pure monk would also.

    What weapons are you planning on using? The build will likely be ok for 1-20 on elite but not that great relative to the uber players who will zip through everything a warp 9. You also appear to be going for both bow and melee which will work, but you'd be more effective if you picked one or the other. I've made and played a monkcher as a 14monk/6 ranger split and it works well but only as an elf since you need the AA enhancement tree. It's correct that ranger gives you a lot of ranged feats for free, but you still need the AA tree to be effective.

    Whirlwind attack is typically taken for handwrap monks but handwraps don't really work that well with a lot of the Tempest abilities. You could use shortswords or kamas without expending a feat but dmg will be meh. To get decent dmg with longswords, you need two (or three) more feats and then cant use dex to hit from tempest (but can from ninja).

    The several feats that are absolutely critical are GMOF which must be you level 18 feat, greater two weapon fighting and Zen Archery so you don't go uncentered which you don't strictly need, but boy is it annoying without. If you want to trap, you only need a single rogue level, but two might help with skil pts.

    Also putting all your points in WIS is ok but without falconry, you would be better off as a DEX build.
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    Handwrap builds are good. Monkcher builds are good - well, as good as archery gets these days. Combining the two is ..ill-advised; not enough overlap in feats, Enhancements, etc. So you pull your build in two directions at once.

    Doing a good melee/ranged hybrid is about focusing on a tree which boosts both. E.g. my drow Ninja uses shurikens and short swords since Ninja bonuses apply to both weapons.
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    I just wanted to say TY to everyone who responded! All of your helpful hints are helping me out greatly, and I have readjusted some feats. This build is for a monk PL basically and its my first try at a monk type build. Since I did take Elf I kind of was thinking going Long sword and longbow with WSS and Zen archery, use vampiric stonedust wraps and healin ki for needed heals. the 2 rogue levels for helping out trapping skills (could get by with 1 level rogue). As to my play-style , solo mostly and enjoy just palying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfgddo View Post
    I just wanted to say TY to everyone who responded! All of your helpful hints are helping me out greatly, and I have readjusted some feats. This build is for a monk PL basically and its my first try at a monk type build. Since I did take Elf I kind of was thinking going Long sword and longbow with WSS and Zen archery, use vampiric stonedust wraps and healin ki for needed heals. the 2 rogue levels for helping out trapping skills (could get by with 1 level rogue). As to my play-style , solo mostly and enjoy just palying.
    If you're going elf, I'd recommend a class split like 12Monk/6ranger/2 rogue and full DEX. Again, Longswords are slightly suboptimal for two reasons, featwise you need WSS, WF:Slash, Imp crit Slash and Knight's Training whereas you get shortswords for free. And you need to spend at least 6 AP in ninja Spy to get Dex to hit/dmg (which is fine). Note that you can't get Dex to hit/dmg from Tempest, but you can from Ninja. You can probably do that + Tempest and be OK at hitting things with swords and bows. You'll be stretched AP wise.

    Featwise, for both Bow/sword build, you need:
    bow: PBS, Imp PreciseShot, ImpCrit: Ranged, ZenArchery, TenThousand Stars.
    sword: WFSlash, WSS, GTWF, KnightsTraining, Imp Crit: slash
    other stuff: GMoF (at 18), Precision is handy.

    You get 7 + 3 as an elf/monk. So probably no Precision until epics.

    Leveling you want all the Ranger freebies first, so you wan tto level something like 1 Rogue, 6 Ranger, 12Monk, 1 Rogue at 20.
    You can run around wiith longswords or scimitars (or great axxes) until level 7 since you're a trapping ranger until then.

    AP wise, you are going to be very tight. I'd probably take my T5 in Tempest and focus mainly on longswords. with the bulk of my AP in Ninja and Tempest. You only have up to core 3 in Tempest, so you will be missing the extended crit range from both ninja and tempest.
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