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    Default Tackling The Forgewraiths

    I ran Lamannia both of the last two previews and found the Forgewraiths to be a considerable problem to tackle, so I'm collecting information! For context purposes, this would be a character I'd simply park at level 30 to run the Too Hot To Handle raid.

    What race would have the best to offer in terms of fire resistance and why?

    I plan on going Wizard Eldritch Knight for the cold spellsword and use of Frostbite Blade and Sphere Of Waves and going undead form for self heals and aiming to improve my undead slaying spells.

    What are some pieces of equipment that can assist me by inching me as close as possible to fire immunity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lokeal_The_Flame View Post
    What race would have the best to offer in terms of fire resistance and why?
    Red Dragonborn get Fire Resistance equal to their character level. Seems like the best choice? Don't think any other races get fire resist (despite Tieflings seeming like they should).

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    What are some pieces of equipment that can assist me by inching me as close as possible to fire immunity?
    Orcish Privateer's Boots are very good and easily farmed. Sovereign Fire Resist for 50, and 30% absorption to boot (sorry!). Easiest option by far, and they have FoM & Speed so they can be an anti-fire swap for Flightfoot Greaves on most builds.

    You could also craft a LGS piece, for 50 Enhancement (doesn't stack w/OPB's), 25 Insightful, and 17 Competence bonus to Fire Resist. Even a cheap T2 swap piece can get you the Insightful bonus, so that's probably worth considering.

    Firebreak and Firestorm Greaves offer 33% absorption, but I haven't seen them so I don't know how difficult they are to farm.

    Highest I can find is Legendary Crabshell Buckler with 47% fire absorption, but you're stuck with a buckler then :P

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    137 Fire Resist (147 w/FvS 5+)

    47% Absorption (L Crabshell Buckler)

    Ignoring the potential shield deflection/block options on the assumption that you don't want to block all day :P
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    It's DDO. There are probably 6 different types of Evil damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lokeal_The_Flame View Post
    I ran Lamannia both of the last two previews and found the Forgewraiths to be a considerable problem to tackle, so I'm collecting information! For context purposes, this would be a character I'd simply park at level 30 to run the Too Hot To Handle raid.

    What race would have the best to offer in terms of fire resistance and why?

    I plan on going Wizard Eldritch Knight for the cold spellsword and use of Frostbite Blade and Sphere Of Waves and going undead form for self heals and aiming to improve my undead slaying spells.

    What are some pieces of equipment that can assist me by inching me as close as possible to fire immunity?
    First of all, this has not be released to live yet so should be posted on lama board so those that don't want spoilers don't come across it by accident.
    Second, top DPS does not change much by content. EK DPS will still be far behind many other sources of DPS regardless if you spec for cold or whatever. If you make a solid DPS toon it will do just fine. For your equipment the answers are on the wiki. If you do the research you will find something that fits in your gearset better than someone else guessing what you have to work with.
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    Don't forget Epic Destines.

    Energy Sheath: Fire is the big, obvious one. (50% absorption)

    There's also the Tier 4 Elemental Absorption that gives 15% to all elements.

    Not sure if those stack though.
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    The forge x have a pattern. Figure out the pattern and it will remove a lot of the difficulty.

    And find 11 other people who can follow instructions. Likely the hardest part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kain741 View Post
    First of all, this has not be released to live yet so should be posted on lama board so those that don't want spoilers don't come across it by accident.
    Second, top DPS does not change much by content. EK DPS will still be far behind many other sources of DPS regardless if you spec for cold or whatever. If you make a solid DPS toon it will do just fine. For your equipment the answers are on the wiki. If you do the research you will find something that fits in your gearset better than someone else guessing what you have to work with.
    ...Frankly I can't figure out how "there's fire damage in a raid called 'Too Hot to Handle'" is a spoiler, but fair point about the Lama boards thing.

    OP stated their build, so alternate/optimal build options aren't what's being asked lol. They're not asking for top DPS, they're asking for fire resist. If they had phrased their title differently like "how do I get max fire survivability as a EK" we'd basically be in the same boat.

    Not everyone wants to surf the wiki a bunch, and some pages don't sort well (like the Fire Resistance items page). Also knowing what's easy to farm etc isn't something you can tell via Wiki.

    As far as gear slots, you can either do 1-slot w/Orcish Privateer's Boots (one-stop shop) or 2-slots with LGS + an Absorption item (Legendary Crabshell Buckler), at least to the best of my research. So it's really not an issue to figure out where to put stuff, either boots or any of 8 slots + offhand.

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    The ... have a pattern.
    Now that is a spoiler lol. Also you might want to re-read the OP's question?
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    Warlock is basically a ghetto Shiradi Sorc. You gives up some of the damage and self sustain for the ability to just hold down left click and yolo blast your way to victory.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lynnabel View Post
    It's DDO. There are probably 6 different types of Evil damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lokeal_The_Flame View Post
    I ran Lamannia both of the last two previews and found the Forgewraiths to be a considerable problem to tackle, so I'm collecting information! For context purposes, this would be a character I'd simply park at level 30 to run the Too Hot To Handle raid.

    What race would have the best to offer in terms of fire resistance and why?

    I plan on going Wizard Eldritch Knight for the cold spellsword and use of Frostbite Blade and Sphere Of Waves and going undead form for self heals and aiming to improve my undead slaying spells.

    What are some pieces of equipment that can assist me by inching me as close as possible to fire immunity?
    Keep spoilerposts on the Lammania forums!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpartanKiller13 View Post
    Now that is a spoiler lol. Also you might want to re-read the OP's question?
    Almost every raid in DDO has patterns. This isn't some new concept. And he mentioned the mobs in the thread title.

    I was responding to the first part about the forgewraiths not the question on fire resist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeoLionxxx View Post
    Don't forget Epic Destines.

    Energy Sheath: Fire is the big, obvious one. (50% absorption)

    There's also the Tier 4 Elemental Absorption that gives 15% to all elements.

    Not sure if those stack though.
    Yeah, I might have to test to make sure whether or not that stacks when I get the chance tomorrow!

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    Last I heard (which was years ago) elemental absorption of different values are supposed to stack. ie: 5% + 15% + 30% + 37% + 50% all stack (multiplicative, not additive, so 50% reduction, then the 37% is applied to the remaining damage that got through, then 30% of what's left from that, etc. or in other words: if same values stacked 50% + 50% would result in 75% total reduction, not 100%).

    However I have not tested this in a very long time.

    Also, yeah, spoilers. I did not know the name of the raid until I opened this thread, and I opened it because I did not know what forgewraiths were and thought it might be a typo or something (sometimes people use different names for things than what they actually are).

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    Quote Originally Posted by vryxnr View Post
    Last I heard (which was years ago) elemental absorption of different values are supposed to stack. ie: 5% + 15% + 30% + 37% + 50% all stack (multiplicative, not additive, so 50% reduction, then the 37% is applied to the remaining damage that got through, then 30% of what's left from that, etc. or in other words: if same values stacked 50% + 50% would result in 75% total reduction, not 100%).

    However I have not tested this in a very long time.

    Also, yeah, spoilers. I did not know the name of the raid until I opened this thread, and I opened it because I did not know what forgewraiths were and thought it might be a typo or something (sometimes people use different names for things than what they actually are).
    Different numbers don't all stack since about update 19.

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    Cannith crafting can make a trinket, shield or armour with 57 fire resist, 28 insightful fire resist and 38% fire absorption. Cheaper than LGS, if not quite as good.

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    I think the best your going to be able to get, would be a Red Dragonborn (30), with 5 FvS (10) wearing a Triple Fire Res GS item (92) With 3 Ranger Past lives (6) and Guild buffs(15) using Brand of Kalok Shash for 53% absorb and Energy Sheath, and 9% from Arcane ePLs

    153 Fire Resistance with ~ 78.6% absorb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kain741 View Post
    top DPS does not change much by content
    I mean, if everything is vulnerable to cold, EK will do almost double its usual damage, making it almost 10% of a good DPS, up from 5%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vryxnr View Post
    Last I heard (which was years ago) elemental absorption of different values are supposed to stack. ie: 5% + 15% + 30% + 37% + 50% all stack (multiplicative, not additive, so 50% reduction, then the 37% is applied to the remaining damage that got through, then 30% of what's left from that, etc. or in other words: if same values stacked 50% + 50% would result in 75% total reduction, not 100%).

    However I have not tested this in a very long time.

    Also, yeah, spoilers. I did not know the name of the raid until I opened this thread, and I opened it because I did not know what forgewraiths were and thought it might be a typo or something (sometimes people use different names for things than what they actually are).
    I personally tested absorption stacking a couple weeks ago. Energy Sheath stacks with items. Multiple items did not stack. (Note: I used multiple cannith-crafted items of different magnitudes for the test. It's possible that some named items with absorption effects - particularly older named items - may have unique bonus types under the hood.)

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    Wait...how did you create a thread in the Official Discussion board?

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    Keep spoilerposts on the Lammania forums!
    Ohhh I guess Cordo meant to send it to Lama Discussion and clicked the wrong one

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeoLionxxx View Post
    Don't forget Epic Destines.

    Energy Sheath: Fire is the big, obvious one. (50% absorption)

    There's also the Tier 4 Elemental Absorption that gives 15% to all elements.

    Not sure if those stack though.
    I play a tank, fire is easy enough to handle, but they also do just as much evil damage which in the raid can be overwhelming on anything but normal. The minimum I was hit for on normal was 1250 evil damage. Multiple hitting me at once one shot me at 5k hit points.

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