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    Community Member Cuth's Avatar
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    Default Pure Monk, Archery Build

    Hi All,

    I see there's a thread below about Monk Archers but they seem to be interested in multi-classing. I was hoping to stay 20 Monk, just for theme.

    I would prefer not to use shurikens, just bow.

    Here's my humble attempt ... please let me know if this is going to be awful, if I've made some horrible mistake, or forgotten some integral ability. It doesn't need to be a world slayer, I just want to make sure I'm not making any tragic mis-steps.

    Thanks!

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    Monk 20
    Lawful Neutral Half-Elf


    Stats
    . . . . . . . .34pt . . Tome . . Level Up
    . . . . . . . .---- . . ----. . .--------
    Strength. . . . 10. . . . . . . . 4: WIS
    Dexterity . . . 16. . . .+3. . . .8: WIS
    Constitution. . 14. . . . . . . .12: WIS
    Intelligence. . 14. . . . . . . .16: WIS
    Wisdom. . . . . 16. . . . . . . .20: WIS
    Charisma. . . . .8. . . . . . . .24: WIS
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .28: WIS


    Skills
    . . . . . 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
    . . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
    Concent . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    Spot. . . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    Balance . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    Spellcr . 2. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. . .11
    UMD . . . 2. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. . .11
    Jump. . . 3. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3. .6
    Tumble. . 1. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1
    . . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
    . . . . .24. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5. 6
    Max . . .24. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6



    Feats

    .1. . . . : Point Blank Shot
    .1 Monk . : Dodge
    .2 Monk . : Zen Archery
    .3. . . . : Rapid Shot
    .6. . . . : Precise Shot
    .6 Monk . : Ten Thousand Stars
    .9. . . . : Manyshot
    12. . . . : Precision
    15. . . . : Improved Precise Shot
    18. . . . : Improved Critical: Ranged
    21 Epic . :
    24 Epic . :
    26 Destiny:
    27 Epic . :
    28 Destiny:
    29 Destiny:
    30 Epic . :
    30 Legend :

    .1 HalfElf: Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue

    .3 Monk . : Path of Harmonious Balance


    Enhancements (78 of 80 AP)

    Elf-Arcane Archer (41 AP)
    • Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows, Metalline Arrows, Aligned Arrows, Shadow Arrows, Mystical Archer
      1. Conjure Arrows, Corrosive Arrows
      2. Force Arrows III, Inferno Shot I, Elemental Damage
      3. Terror Arrows, Elemental Damage, Wisdom
      4. Banishing Arrows, Paralyzing Arrows, Smiting Arrows, Elemental Damage, Wisdom
      5. Moonbow, Arrow of Slaying, Elemental Damage, Runebow

    Falconry (15 AP)
    • Snow Owl, Wisdom, Well Rounded
      1. Rugged III, Practiced Accuracy II
      2. Killer Instinct I
      3. Killer Instinct II, Eyes of the Eagle

    Half-Elf (14 AP)
    • Versatile Nature, Elven Dexterity, Elven Accuracy, Elven Dexterity, Elven Accuracy
      1. Skill Focus: Focused I, Improved Dilettante: Rogue
      2. Improved Dilettante: Rogue
      3. Arcane Archer

    Henshin Mystic (8 AP)
    • Riddle of Fire
      1. Mystic Training II, Way of the: Faithful Hound
      2. Contemplation III

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    Let us know how it works. For your AP, you'd almost certainly be better taking the 8 AP in henshin and putting them in Falconry to get the Insightful dmg boost or ninja for more dodge cap. you should be able to hit close to 50% dodge steady state.

    It'd give you 22 AP in Falconry if you went that route.

    Running in water stance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kodwraith View Post
    Running in water stance?
    Water Stance was the plan. I had not considered the dodge component. I'll play around with moving those points over. I was using Henshin for the Ki regen, I'll have to see how that goes if I swap it out.

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    I have seen more bows builds in heroics lately
    They not top dps,
    But they bring very valuable cc
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    Half-elf monk doesn't get longbow proficiency. You'll need to either take the feat, switch to ranger dilettante, or switch to elf.

    Are you going into epics? If so your DEX is too low to take Combat Archery.

    If the plan is to run in Ocean stance, you might be able to drop Contemplation and put those APs into tier-4 Falconry instead.
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    Default Updated Version of Build Based on Comments (2.0)

    Ok -- yeah -- being able to actually use a bow is a pretty big oversight.

    Switched to Ranger Dilettante. Dumped Henshin for more Falconry.

    Hopefully this has fewer glaring holes. Thanks for the input everyone.

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    Arcane Archer 2
    Monk 20
    Lawful Neutral Half-Elf


    Stats
    . . . . . . . .34pt . . Tome . . Level Up
    . . . . . . . .---- . . ----. . .--------
    Strength. . . . 10. . . . . . . . 4: WIS
    Dexterity . . . 16. . . .+5. . . .8: WIS
    Constitution. . 14. . . .+2. . . 12: WIS
    Intelligence. . 14. . . .+2. . . 16: WIS
    Wisdom. . . . . 16. . . .+5. . . 20: WIS
    Charisma. . . . .8. . . . . . . .24: WIS
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .28: WIS


    Skills
    . . . . . 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
    . . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
    Concent . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    Spot. . . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    Balance . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    Hide. . . . .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .19
    Move Si . . .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .19
    Spellcr . 2. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. . .11
    UMD . . . 2. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. ½. . .11
    Jump. . . 3. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2. .5
    Tumble. . 1. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1
    . . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
    . . . . .24. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7. 7



    Feats

    .1. . . . : Point Blank Shot
    .1 Monk . : Dodge
    .2 Monk . : Zen Archery
    .3. . . . : Rapid Shot
    .6. . . . : Precise Shot
    .6 Monk . : Ten Thousand Stars
    .9. . . . : Manyshot
    12. . . . : Precision
    15. . . . : Improved Precise Shot
    18. . . . : Improved Critical: Ranged
    21 Epic . :
    24 Epic . :
    26 Destiny:
    27 Epic . :
    28 Destiny:
    29 Destiny:
    30 Epic . :
    30 Legend :

    .1 HalfElf: Half-Elf Dilettante: Ranger

    .3 Monk . : Path of Harmonious Balance


    Enhancements (80 AP)

    Elf-Arcane Archer (41 AP)
    • Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows, Metalline Arrows, Aligned Arrows, Shadow Arrows, Mystical Archer
      1. Conjure Arrows, Corrosive Arrows
      2. Force Arrows III, Inferno Shot I, Elemental Damage
      3. Terror Arrows, Elemental Damage, Wisdom
      4. Banishing Arrows, Paralyzing Arrows, Smiting Arrows, Elemental Damage, Wisdom
      5. Moonbow, Arrow of Slaying, Elemental Damage, Runebow

    Falconry (25 AP)
    • Snow Owl, Wisdom, Well Rounded
      1. Rugged III, Practiced Accuracy II
      2. Killer Instinct I, Diving Shot III
      3. Killer Instinct II, Conditioning, Eyes of the Eagle
      4. Deadly Instinct II, No Mercy III

    Half-Elf (14 AP)
    • Versatile Nature, Elven Dexterity, Elven Accuracy, Elven Dexterity, Elven Accuracy
      1. Skill Focus: Focused I, Improved Dilettante: Ranger
      2. Improved Dilettante: Ranger
      3. Arcane Archer

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    I thought about making a pure monk archer, but opted to add a single wizard level instead. This was so that i could take the spell focus enchantment feat with the intent of being able to use the Magister twist for a total of four more dc on the paralyzing arrows. I used an elf with the arcane archer tree capstoned and tier fived. I ended up spending enough points in the falconry tree to get wisdom to damage. This tree wasn't available when i started the build, so i had to adapt to it. The only resultant loss is 5% doubleshot during 10k stars, i considered this worth trading for four more dc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FestusHood View Post
    I thought about making a pure monk archer, but opted to add a single wizard level instead. This was so that i could take the spell focus enchantment feat with the intent of being able to use the Magister twist for a total of four more dc on the paralyzing arrows. I used an elf with the arcane archer tree capstoned and tier fived. I ended up spending enough points in the falconry tree to get wisdom to damage. This tree wasn't available when i started the build, so i had to adapt to it. The only resultant loss is 5% doubleshot during 10k stars, i considered this worth trading for four more dc.
    Festus brings up a good point, this build doesn't derive a ton of benefit from monk per se since your capstone and all your AP is class split agnostic. There is only a minimal benefit for 20 monk vs 19 monk.

    -but- Given that you have all these monk levels, 10k stars is literally the only reason to stay with 19 or 20 monk over 14 monk and 6 ranger. Taking 1 wizard I could see but whatever you do, don't loose 10k stars.
    If youre into split classing, 6 ranger would give a bunch of feats for free and spell casting in the mix.

    One thing about this build, it kinda sucks to level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    Half-elf monk doesn't get longbow proficiency. You'll need to either take the feat, switch to ranger dilettante, or switch to elf.

    Are you going into epics? If so your DEX is too low to take Combat Archery.

    If the plan is to run in Ocean stance, you might be able to drop Contemplation and put those APs into tier-4 Falconry instead.
    Elves get it

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    I'm doing an AA build my current life (not monk) but I can say the costs of 14 ap into racials are painful while leveling. That combined with how late you're taking improved crit, you're going to feel some level gaps where your damage feels really flat compared to other builds. You also won't see the crit bonuses from Elf AA until 22. It's fun to play around with Elf AA, but it matures very late in the level spectrum. Splashing in stuff like 6 ranger lets you grab AA faster and the low hanging DWS stuff (plus extra feats) which you can then spec out at higher levels when you switch from Ranger AA to Elf AA. But if you decide to stay pure, be aware it's going to lacking until late in it's life.

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