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    Quote Originally Posted by slarden View Post
    I haven't updated the post yet, but here is what I am running. I've gone a bit more defensive primarily because gearing tetris made it the most optimal choice given my options (at least in my opinion).

    Goggles: Legendary Collective Sight (Wisdom 21, Ins Dex 10, Quality Resistance 4, Temperance of Belief (+1 MRR bonus for each religious feat)
    Helmet: Legendary Crown of Snow (Fire Shield (Cold), Paragon Cerulean Wave, Spell Focus Mastery 7, Insightful Spell Focus Mastery 5)
    Necklace: Pendant of Bottled Moonlight (Overwhelming Despair, Enchanting Death, Spell Penetration 9, Insightful Spell Penetration 5)
    Trinket: Slavelord Crafted (Sheltering 45, Resistance 14, Heal 22, Quality Wisdom 4) - wisdom is there so I can swap belts as needed without giving up as much dc
    Cloak: Legendary Hallowed Trail (Radiance 214, Radiance Lore 31, Evocation Focus 9, Quality Spell Pen 3)
    Belt: Legendary Black Satin Waist (Quality Wisdom, Spell Pen 9, Quality Spell Focus Mastery 2, Spell Resistance 47)
    Ring 1: Legendary Ring of Winter's Chill (Ice Lore 31, Glaciation 214, Kinetic Lore 31, Impulse 214)
    Gloves: The Prince's Gauntlet (Healing Amp 93, Constitution 22, Quality Resistance 4, Quality Sheltering 15)
    Boots: Legendary Deepsnow Boots (Insightful Con 10, Quality Con 5, Freedom of Movement, Fort Save 17)
    Ring 2: Legendary Shattered Onyx (Insightful Wisdom 10, Profane Spell Focus Mastery 2, Insightful Resistance 8, Insightful Dodge 10)
    Bracers: Legendary Hallowed Castigators (Devotion 214, Healing Lore 31, Insightful Sheltering 27)
    Armor: Legendary Blessed Vestements (Fortification 214, Physical Sheltering 54, Comp Healing Amp 85, False Life 81)

    Main Hand: Legendary Queen's Sceptre (Potency 154, Insightful Potency 77, Spellsight 22, Insgihtful Spellsight 11)
    Off-Hand: Legendary Alchemical Tower Shield (MRR 55, Alchemical Wisdom +2, Necromancy Focus 9) - Requires using master's touch scroll for proficiency

    Swaps: Legendary Silverthread Belt, LGS Debuffers and triple positive

    As far as max dc with this gear I am short 1 wisdom from a 22 wisdom artifact and 2 DC from gloryborne gloves, but I think it's worth the trade-off of gaining 40 PRR and MRR, 20% hp, etc. For someone that doesn't have access to the alchemical Tower Shield - any high level tower shield will work for defensive purposes.

    There are other options such as using gilded gloves of sanctity and heart of the prince for orb, but that really hurts defense for 2 spell pen and 1 wisdom. It also limits what you can do with off-hand weapons.

    The pendant of bottled moonlight applies a crushing despair to enemies when you cast a necromancy spell. I am not positive whether it's applied before or after the necromancy spell lands - it's hard to tell because the enemy dies right away when it works. This effectively increases DC by 2 if it lands before the death spell hits. It also makes debuffing an enemy with energy drain more effective as the debuff is applied without a save.

    Here is current wisdom/dc potential with this gear assuming evocation focus:

    Wisdom
    Start: 20
    Level Ups: 7
    Tome: 8
    Completionist: 2
    Racial Completionist: 2
    Racial Past Lifes: 2
    Enhancement Bonus: 21
    Insightful Bonus: 10
    Exceptional Bonus: 1
    Quality Bonus: 5
    Profane Bonus: 2
    Artifact Bonus: 4
    Augment Festive Bonus: 2
    Alchemical Bonus: 2
    Sentient Weapon Filigree: 8
    Reaper Bonus on Helm: 2
    Racial Enhancements: 2
    Aov Enhancements: 2
    AoV Capstone: 4
    Beacon of Hope Enhancements: 2
    Feydark Illusionist Enhancements: 1
    Reaper: 5
    Epic Destiny: 6
    Epic Destiny Arcane Hymn Twist: 1
    Epic Destiny Twist: 1
    Ship Buffs: 2
    Yugo Potions: 2
    Remnant Potions: 2
    Total Wisdom: 128

    Evocation DC
    Base: 10
    Spell Level: 9 (Note this assumes heighten for all, but I have versions of spells without heighten on my hotbar to save sp when I don't need the DC boost)
    Wisdom Bonus: 59
    Evocation Focus Feat: 1
    Embolden: 2
    Scion of the Plane of Air: 4
    Past Life Wizard: 1
    Past Life Sorc x3: 3
    Item- Enhancement Bonus: 9
    Item- Insightful Bonus: 4
    Item- Quality Bonus: 2
    Item- Augment Bonus: 2
    Item - Profane Bonus: 2
    Item- Artifact Bonus: 3
    Item - Sacred Bonus: 0
    Item: Sentient Bonus (Eye of Beholder): 2
    Item: Sentient Bonus (Otto's): 2
    Enhancements - Racial Tree: 0
    Enhancements - Angel of Vengeance: 1
    Enhancements - Aov Level 18 Core: 1
    Enhancements - Aov Capstone: 2
    Enhancements - Reaper: 4
    Exalted Angel - Transcendental Magic: 3
    Epic Destiny Twist - Evocation Focus: 3
    Epic Destiny Twist - Precise Evocation: 2
    Ship Buffs: 1
    Total Evocation DC: 129 (with one spell focus feat, higher with more)

    Necromancy DC
    Base: 10
    Spell Level: 9 (Note this assumes heighten for all, but I have versions of spells without heighten on my hotbar to save sp when I don't need the DC boost)
    Wisdom Bonus: 59
    Embolden: 2
    Scion of the Plane of Air: 2
    Item- Enhancement Bonus: 9
    Item- Insightful Bonus: 4
    Item- Quality Bonus: 2
    Item- Augment Bonus: 2
    Item - Profane Bonus: 2
    Item- Artifact Bonus: 3
    Item - Sacred bonus: 0
    Item: Sentient Bonus (Eye of Beholder): 2
    Item: Sentient Bonus (Otto's): 2
    Enhancements - Racial: 0
    Enhancements - Aov Level 18 Core: 1
    Enhancements - Aov Capstone: 2
    Enhancements - Reaper: 4
    Exalted Angel - Transcendental Magic: 3
    Ship Buffs: 1
    Total Necromancy DC: 117

    Mass Frog DC
    Base: 20
    Wisdom Bonus: 59
    Embolden: 2
    Scion of the Plane of Air: 2
    Past Life Wizard: 1
    Past Life Alchemist x 3: 3
    Item- Enhancement Bonus: 7
    Item- Insightful Bonus: 4
    Item- Quality Bonus: 2
    Item- Augment Bonus: 2
    Item- Artifact Bonus: 3
    Item- Profane Bonus: 2
    Item - Sacred Bonus: 0
    Item: Sentient Bonus (Eye of Beholder): 2
    Item: Sentient Bonus (Otto): 2
    Enhancements - Aov Level 18 Core: 1
    Enhancements - Aov Capstone: 2
    Enhancements - Reaper: 4
    Exalted Angel - Transcendental Magic: 3
    Ship Buffs: 1
    Total Mass Frog DC: 122

    Note: When Aureon's Instruction is active posted DCs are at a +2 due to the +4 Wisdom bonus granted

    When I finally get around to updating this build you will see the charisma DC caster has a much higher DC due to magister and dragonborn. I will also be adding a 3rd build to the mix which is a solo-friendly tiefling in draconic incarnation that will have lower DCs, but higher DPS and the ability to bypass fire immunity.

    thanks alot, what are you doing for enhancments and twists?
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    Quote Originally Posted by huey9187 View Post
    thanks alot, what are you doing for enhancements and twists?
    For raid healing or if the group specifically wants healing wall I will change it up with Beacon of Hope as my main tree, but for optimal DC and still effective healing:

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    There are 16 bonus action points available from racial tr and tome - those will be used in racial tree and after that Beacon and Feydark Illusionist if available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slarden View Post
    I haven't updated the post yet, but here is what I am running. I've gone a bit more defensive primarily because gearing tetris made it the most optimal choice given my options (at least in my opinion).

    Goggles: Legendary Collective Sight (Wisdom 21, Ins Dex 10, Quality Resistance 4, Temperance of Belief (+1 MRR bonus for each religious feat)
    Helmet: Legendary Crown of Snow (Fire Shield (Cold), Paragon Cerulean Wave, Spell Focus Mastery 7, Insightful Spell Focus Mastery 5)
    Necklace: Pendant of Bottled Moonlight (Overwhelming Despair, Enchanting Death, Spell Penetration 9, Insightful Spell Penetration 5)
    Trinket: Slavelord Crafted (Sheltering 45, Resistance 14, Heal 22, Quality Wisdom 4) - wisdom is there so I can swap belts as needed without giving up as much dc
    Cloak: Legendary Hallowed Trail (Radiance 214, Radiance Lore 31, Evocation Focus 9, Quality Spell Pen 3)
    Belt: Legendary Black Satin Waist (Quality Wisdom, Spell Pen 9, Quality Spell Focus Mastery 2, Spell Resistance 47)
    Ring 1: Legendary Ring of Winter's Chill (Ice Lore 31, Glaciation 214, Kinetic Lore 31, Impulse 214)
    Gloves: The Prince's Gauntlet (Healing Amp 93, Constitution 22, Quality Resistance 4, Quality Sheltering 15)
    Boots: Legendary Deepsnow Boots (Insightful Con 10, Quality Con 5, Freedom of Movement, Fort Save 17)
    Ring 2: Legendary Shattered Onyx (Insightful Wisdom 10, Profane Spell Focus Mastery 2, Insightful Resistance 8, Insightful Dodge 10)
    Bracers: Legendary Hallowed Castigators (Devotion 214, Healing Lore 31, Insightful Sheltering 27)
    Armor: Legendary Blessed Vestements (Fortification 214, Physical Sheltering 54, Comp Healing Amp 85, False Life 81)

    Main Hand: Legendary Queen's Sceptre (Potency 154, Insightful Potency 77, Spellsight 22, Insgihtful Spellsight 11)
    Off-Hand: Legendary Alchemical Tower Shield (MRR 55, Alchemical Wisdom +2, Necromancy Focus 9) - Requires using master's touch scroll for proficiency

    Swaps: Legendary Silverthread Belt, LGS Debuffers and triple positive

    As far as max dc with this gear I am short 1 wisdom from a 22 wisdom artifact and 2 DC from gloryborne gloves, but I think it's worth the trade-off of gaining 40 PRR and MRR, 20% hp, etc. For someone that doesn't have access to the alchemical Tower Shield - any high level tower shield will work for defensive purposes.

    There are other options such as using gilded gloves of sanctity and heart of the prince for orb, but that really hurts defense for 2 spell pen and 1 wisdom. It also limits what you can do with off-hand weapons.

    The pendant of bottled moonlight applies a crushing despair to enemies when you cast a necromancy spell. I am not positive whether it's applied before or after the necromancy spell lands - it's hard to tell because the enemy dies right away when it works. This effectively increases DC by 2 if it lands before the death spell hits. It also makes debuffing an enemy with energy drain more effective as the debuff is applied without a save.

    Here is current wisdom/dc potential with this gear assuming evocation focus:

    Wisdom
    Start: 20
    Level Ups: 7
    Tome: 8
    Completionist: 2
    Racial Completionist: 2
    Racial Past Lifes: 2
    Enhancement Bonus: 21
    Insightful Bonus: 10
    Exceptional Bonus: 1
    Quality Bonus: 5
    Profane Bonus: 2
    Artifact Bonus: 4
    Augment Festive Bonus: 2
    Alchemical Bonus: 2
    Sentient Weapon Filigree: 8
    Reaper Bonus on Helm: 2
    Racial Enhancements: 2
    Aov Enhancements: 2
    AoV Capstone: 4
    Beacon of Hope Enhancements: 2
    Feydark Illusionist Enhancements: 1
    Reaper: 5
    Epic Destiny: 6
    Epic Destiny Arcane Hymn Twist: 1
    Epic Destiny Twist: 1
    Ship Buffs: 2
    Yugo Potions: 2
    Remnant Potions: 2
    Total Wisdom: 128

    Evocation DC
    Base: 10
    Spell Level: 9 (Note this assumes heighten for all, but I have versions of spells without heighten on my hotbar to save sp when I don't need the DC boost)
    Wisdom Bonus: 59
    Evocation Focus Feat: 1
    Embolden: 2
    Scion of the Plane of Air: 4
    Past Life Wizard: 1
    Past Life Sorc x3: 3
    Item- Enhancement Bonus: 9
    Item- Insightful Bonus: 4
    Item- Quality Bonus: 2
    Item- Augment Bonus: 2
    Item - Profane Bonus: 2
    Item- Artifact Bonus: 3
    Item - Sacred Bonus: 0
    Item: Sentient Bonus (Eye of Beholder): 2
    Item: Sentient Bonus (Otto's): 2
    Enhancements - Racial Tree: 0
    Enhancements - Angel of Vengeance: 1
    Enhancements - Aov Level 18 Core: 1
    Enhancements - Aov Capstone: 2
    Enhancements - Reaper: 4
    Exalted Angel - Transcendental Magic: 3
    Epic Destiny Twist - Evocation Focus: 3
    Epic Destiny Twist - Precise Evocation: 2
    Ship Buffs: 1
    Total Evocation DC: 129 (with one spell focus feat, higher with more)

    Necromancy DC
    Base: 10
    Spell Level: 9 (Note this assumes heighten for all, but I have versions of spells without heighten on my hotbar to save sp when I don't need the DC boost)
    Wisdom Bonus: 59
    Embolden: 2
    Scion of the Plane of Air: 2
    Item- Enhancement Bonus: 9
    Item- Insightful Bonus: 4
    Item- Quality Bonus: 2
    Item- Augment Bonus: 2
    Item - Profane Bonus: 2
    Item- Artifact Bonus: 3
    Item - Sacred bonus: 0
    Item: Sentient Bonus (Eye of Beholder): 2
    Item: Sentient Bonus (Otto's): 2
    Enhancements - Racial: 0
    Enhancements - Aov Level 18 Core: 1
    Enhancements - Aov Capstone: 2
    Enhancements - Reaper: 4
    Exalted Angel - Transcendental Magic: 3
    Ship Buffs: 1
    Total Necromancy DC: 117

    Mass Frog DC
    Base: 20
    Wisdom Bonus: 59
    Embolden: 2
    Scion of the Plane of Air: 2
    Past Life Wizard: 1
    Past Life Alchemist x 3: 3
    Item- Enhancement Bonus: 7
    Item- Insightful Bonus: 4
    Item- Quality Bonus: 2
    Item- Augment Bonus: 2
    Item- Artifact Bonus: 3
    Item- Profane Bonus: 2
    Item - Sacred Bonus: 0
    Item: Sentient Bonus (Eye of Beholder): 2
    Item: Sentient Bonus (Otto): 2
    Enhancements - Aov Level 18 Core: 1
    Enhancements - Aov Capstone: 2
    Enhancements - Reaper: 4
    Exalted Angel - Transcendental Magic: 3
    Ship Buffs: 1
    Total Mass Frog DC: 122

    Note: When Aureon's Instruction is active posted DCs are at a +2 due to the +4 Wisdom bonus granted

    When I finally get around to updating this build you will see the charisma DC caster has a much higher DC due to magister and dragonborn. I will also be adding a 3rd build to the mix which is a solo-friendly tiefling in draconic incarnation that will have lower DCs, but higher DPS and the ability to bypass fire immunity.
    I am running the Dragon Charisma version of this build with the same gear you posted. The only exception is the trinket, because I am actually using the Legendary Bottle of Shadows (Profane Well Rounded +2 bonus and Lesser Displacement) augmented with a Sapphire of Defense +32 for PRR/MRR. The question is: can we try to find an arrangement to fit Gloryborne Gloves and maybe a +22 Cha item into this build?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rastaparingsuzar View Post
    I am running the Dragon Charisma version of this build with the same gear you posted. The only exception is the trinket, because I am actually using the Legendary Bottle of Shadows (Profane Well Rounded +2 bonus and Lesser Displacement) augmented with a Sapphire of Defense +32 for PRR/MRR. The question is: can we try to find an arrangement to fit Gloryborne Gloves and maybe a +22 Cha item into this build?
    Definitely - I would love to improve the gear set.

    I think you can fairly easily swap in sigil of regalport, gloryborne gloves, put 21 con on the goggles, swap to legendary prince's sceptre when spell pen is needed. I believe that was actually my first gear iteration to max out DC. Without prince's gauntlet's it's tough to get the 4 piece winter and 2 piece summer set.

    The build already has 2 stat points for twists so realistically there is no way to fit in a 3rd stat point twist so that means most likely dropping a charisma twist and gaining 2 DC + 1 twist rather than being able to bump the DC by 3. You lose 20% hp, 40 MRR, 10 or so PRR (15-religious feats for PRR).

    Since there are only a few gear swaps needed the right answer might be to keep both necklaces, gloves, goggles and sceptres and swap between the max DC and more balanced setup as needed based on the quest. I don't currently have this on my character, but since none of these are raid items it's fairly easy to maintain both gear sets.

    I use LGS displacement clicky boots (boots because for many years this was the ideal spot for swapping and I don't have enough mats to remake all my boots), but now with 15 con on my boots it's really a pain to swap for the displacement clicky as I need to immediately throw cocoon on myself once I reswap to my boots. The trinket is a good idea.

    The great thing about the charisma build is that you can swap into magister if you are running a higher skull and gain 5 DC immediately.
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    What do you think about this alternative set? It uses Autumn set for sp boost and 2 LGS for 18% hp boost

    Goggles: Legendary Magewright's Goggles - Spell Penetration 9, Illusion Focus 9, Insightful Illusion Focus 5, Intelligence 21
    Helm: Faedark Faerielights - Faeryfire CurseIcon -Illusory Death - Quality Wizardry +110 -Magical Efficiency 10%
    Necklace: Sigil of Regalport - Cha 22, Quality Spell Focus 2, Wizardry 481, Cold absorb 53%
    Trinket: Slavers Crafted - Sheltering 45 (for MRR), Radiance Lore 27, Heal 22, Quality PRR 11)
    Cloak: Legendary Magewright's Cloak - Wizardry 453, Quality Charisma 5, Enchantment Focus 9, Insightful Enchantment Focus 5
    Belt: Legendary Green Steel Belt - Opposition for HP bunus
    Ring 1: Legendary Shattered Onyx - Profane Spell Focus II, Insightful Resistance 8, Insightful Dodge 10, Insightful Charisma 10
    Gloves: Legendary Gloryborne Gloves - Sacred Spell Focus II, Power of the Silver Flame 214, Quality Resistance 4
    Boots: Legendary Deepsnow Boots - Insightful Constitution 10, Quality Constitution 5, Freedom of Movement, Fort Save 17
    Ring 2: Legendary Celestial Sapphire Ring - Constitution +21 - Dodge +21 - Profane Well Rounded +2
    Bracers: Legendary Green Steel Bracers - Opposition for HP bonus
    Armor: Cladding of Dead Leaves (Feytwisted) - Exceptional Universal Spell Lore +10 - Exceptional Universal Spell Power +20 - Physical Sheltering +54 - Parrying +10

    Main Weapon: The Legendary Prince's Sceptre - Spell Focus Mastery 7, Insightful Spell Focus Mastery 4, Spell Penetration 9, Insightful Spell Penetration 5
    Off-hand Weapon: Legendary Hallowsphere (for Autumn set)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rastaparingsuzar View Post
    What do you think about this alternative set? It uses Autumn set for sp boost and 2 LGS for 18% hp boost

    Goggles: Legendary Magewright's Goggles - Spell Penetration 9, Illusion Focus 9, Insightful Illusion Focus 5, Intelligence 21
    Helm: Faedark Faerielights - Faeryfire CurseIcon -Illusory Death - Quality Wizardry +110 -Magical Efficiency 10%
    Necklace: Sigil of Regalport - Cha 22, Quality Spell Focus 2, Wizardry 481, Cold absorb 53%
    Trinket: Slavers Crafted - Sheltering 45 (for MRR), Radiance Lore 27, Heal 22, Quality PRR 11)
    Cloak: Legendary Magewright's Cloak - Wizardry 453, Quality Charisma 5, Enchantment Focus 9, Insightful Enchantment Focus 5
    Belt: Legendary Green Steel Belt - Opposition for HP bunus
    Ring 1: Legendary Shattered Onyx - Profane Spell Focus II, Insightful Resistance 8, Insightful Dodge 10, Insightful Charisma 10
    Gloves: Legendary Gloryborne Gloves - Sacred Spell Focus II, Power of the Silver Flame 214, Quality Resistance 4
    Boots: Legendary Deepsnow Boots - Insightful Constitution 10, Quality Constitution 5, Freedom of Movement, Fort Save 17
    Ring 2: Legendary Celestial Sapphire Ring - Constitution +21 - Dodge +21 - Profane Well Rounded +2
    Bracers: Legendary Green Steel Bracers - Opposition for HP bonus
    Armor: Cladding of Dead Leaves (Feytwisted) - Exceptional Universal Spell Lore +10 - Exceptional Universal Spell Power +20 - Physical Sheltering +54 - Parrying +10

    Main Weapon: The Legendary Prince's Sceptre - Spell Focus Mastery 7, Insightful Spell Focus Mastery 4, Spell Penetration 9, Insightful Spell Penetration 5
    Off-hand Weapon: Legendary Hallowsphere (for Autumn set)
    Looks very tight. I'll have to a detailed comparison but it looks super-optimized for a max DC setup. With the upcoming changes favored soul is moving up on the pecking order - it should be interesting.
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    I've tried to keep Winter set with Flamecleansed Fury set, Sigil of Regalport and Gloryborne Gloves

    Goggles: Legendary Collective Sight (Constitution 21, Quality Resistance 4, Temperance of Belief (+1 MRR bonus for each religious feat)
    Helmet: Legendary Crown of Snow (Fire Shield (Cold), Paragon Cerulean Wave, Spell Focus Mastery 7, Insightful Spell Focus Mastery 5)
    Necklace: Sigil of Regalport - (Cha 22, Quality Spell Focus 2, Wizardry 481, Cold absorb 53%)
    Trinket: Legendary Battleworn Medal - (Quality Charisma +5 Greater Heroism...other things are useless)
    Cloak: Legendary Hallowed Trail (Radiance 214, Radiance Lore 31, Evocation Focus 9, Quality Spell Pen 3)
    Belt: Legendary Direbear Belt (just for winter set)
    Ring 1: Legendary Ring of Winter's Chill (Ice Lore 31, Glaciation 214, Kinetic Lore 31, Impulse 214)
    Gloves: Legendary Gloryborne Gloves - (Sacred Spell Focus II, Power of the Silver Flame 214, Quality Resistance 4)
    Boots: Legendary Deepsnow Boots (Insightful Con 10, Quality Con 5, Freedom of Movement, Fort Save 17)
    Ring 2: Legendary Shattered Onyx (Insightful Charisma 10, Profane Spell Focus Mastery 2, Insightful Resistance 8, Insightful Dodge 10)
    Bracers: Legendary Hallowed Castigators (Devotion 214, Healing Lore 31, Insightful Sheltering 27)
    Armor: Legendary Blessed Vestements (Fortification 214, Physical Sheltering 54, Comp Healing Amp 85, False Life 81)

    Main Hand: The Legendary Prince's Sceptre - Spell Focus Mastery 7, Insightful Spell Focus Mastery 4, Spell Penetration 9, Insightful Spell Penetration 5
    Off-Hand: Legendary Alchemical Large Shield (MRR 55, Alchemical Charisma +2, Necromancy Focus 9)
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    This has been a great thread to read. Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by slarden View Post
    The great thing about the charisma build is that you can swap into magister if you are running a higher skull and gain 5 DC immediately.
    How do you get +5DC in magister? Magister has +6 in the cores and EA has +3. Running in EA you twist the evo specialist at Tier 2 Magister. What am I not seeing?

    Next, if you go CHA, you can run magister, but does that mean you lose mass frog since it is WIS based?
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    Quote Originally Posted by redoubt View Post
    This has been a great thread to read. Thank you.



    How do you get +5DC in magister? Magister has +6 in the cores and EA has +3. Running in EA you twist the evo specialist at Tier 2 Magister. What am I not seeing?

    Next, if you go CHA, you can run magister, but does that mean you lose mass frog since it is WIS based?
    It could be I am computing it differently than others would compute it - always tough when comparing apples to oranges. This is also for evocation assuming you want your max DC on implosion as you can target lower fort save enemies with the necro spells.

    In Exalted Angel
    - 6 Charisma from tree (3 DC)
    - 2 Charisma from Angelic Presence (1 DC)
    - 3 Universal DC from Transcendental Magic (3 DC)
    - 3 Spell Focus DC from Magister Twist (3 DC)
    10 DC (not including possible draconic twist as you can do that in both destinies)

    In Magister
    - 5 Charisma from tree (2.5 DC)
    - 6 DC from Magister Cores (6 DC)
    - 3 DC from Spell School Specialist (3 DC)
    - 3 DC from Spell School Master (3 DC)
    - 1 Charisma twist in place of spell focus twist (.5 DC)
    15 DC (not including possible draconic twist as you can do that in both destinies)

    This isn't counting the +3 you get from dragonborn so if you count that it's +9 evocation DC vs. a wisdom build in EA (+3 for dragonborn +1 since Angelic Presence doesn't help wisdom builds)

    Mass frog works great in some content but not as good in other content as the DC is much lower and it has a long cooldown. There are also appears to be a bug with how it interacts with spell resistance - mobs seem to resist mass frog more than other spells.

    So I find it less critical than I did a few years ago. Charisma gives you a better energy burst and I find that be more useful overall although it requires a tier 4 twist when not in draconic. Also, even on a charisma build mass frog works on many undead and non-spell resistant constructs so I still get value out of it.

    I plan to update this build soonish. I am going to tr my alchemist to fvs after this update to see how fvs dps is working. I am currently dragonborn on my alchemist so debating whether to do a full TR or just use a lesser +20.
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