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    Quote Originally Posted by Torkzed View Post
    I'm not clear on whether you are calling me a liar or saying I am not anyone.

    As I said, 20% pots are what I buy with virtually all my points from VIP subscription . That is pretty close to 6000 pts per year, augmented by whatever I make playing the game. If you buy them 25 at a time on sale, they go a long way. I have also bought an odd featherfall or deathblock augment now and then although I will probably be told next that *no one* buys those either.

    I'm always amazed that some folks are so sure that they know what *everyone* else in the world is doing.

    At least one person buys the 20% pots in bulk and runs them nearly continuously. This is not an opinion, it is a fact. Now if someone wants to say it is a waste of points to do this, that is an opinion to which they are entitled. (And I am happy to ignore it.)
    That's what i use AS for, packs of med eberron shards(use to be 3 AS each) , got 1,500 AS atm fron selling stuff, not at expensive prices like some players(i was selling consuning darkness at 250AS while seeing in the AS ppl posting for 400 and 500lol, same with collectables)

    In fact i prefer spending in shards, than rerolling or tomes

    Btw, med eberron shards drop more than 1 each 4-5 lives, same with tomes, i get 1-2 meds and tomes (tomes from quest turn in mostly lol) per life, it's true that i run more quests and check every damm chest and quest turn in (got a 6 con, dex and cha rung, yes, all 3, this life lol) than ppl use to
    psykopeta is finally baconpletionist because there isn't anything to delay it more - thelanis, where the gimps claim to be pros and noobs claim to be pros, no newbies allowed(unless they claim to be pros), we have enough drama w/o them. PS: I post only in the latest thread shown in main page, in the weird case u want something from me, feel free to send pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by psykopeta View Post
    i guess next try could be something like "what's the reaper xp you get while running r2 quests at lvl, checking only the heroic xp you need to lvl w/o banking xp?" cause i've been 30% the time hard capped, 30% or more w/o doubt lol

    i will prolly do that as trapper, to check the difference between ignoring xp cap with 20% pot or caring about xp cap and trapping
    so... the amount of rxp you get running r2, at level, w/o banking heroic xp nor heroic/reaper pot nor event (yup, lucky me XD) with the trapper bonus is... 75k!! i'm sitting atm at the amazing 243085 rxp

    yup, i know, such a crappy rxp, just for the sake of testing! doing several weird things atm (not playing DDO is one of them) so it took a bit to finish the test lol

    next time will be... how much rxp you get running r2, at level as an iconic (so all the way to 30, w/o repeating quests on heroic/reaper just for the 1st time sexyness, ill save them for epic indeed), w/o banking xp as a trapper
    psykopeta is finally baconpletionist because there isn't anything to delay it more - thelanis, where the gimps claim to be pros and noobs claim to be pros, no newbies allowed(unless they claim to be pros), we have enough drama w/o them. PS: I post only in the latest thread shown in main page, in the weird case u want something from me, feel free to send pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torkzed View Post
    I'm not clear on whether you are calling me a liar or saying I am not anyone.

    As I said, 20% pots are what I buy with virtually all my points from VIP subscription . That is pretty close to 6000 pts per year, augmented by whatever I make playing the game. If you buy them 25 at a time on sale, they go a long way. I have also bought an odd featherfall or deathblock augment now and then although I will probably be told next that *no one* buys those either.

    I'm always amazed that some folks are so sure that they know what *everyone* else in the world is doing.

    At least one person buys the 20% pots in bulk and runs them nearly continuously. This is not an opinion, it is a fact. Now if someone wants to say it is a waste of points to do this, that is an opinion to which they are entitled. (And I am happy to ignore it.)
    Check out the Elemental vendor next to the Altar of Epic Change (whatever the "make shard/seal/scroll items altar is called) in the Twelve. He sells a lot of the augments that aren't available in Gianthold. Not saying you have to do that - just that I'm sure you have a bajillion Tokens of the Twelve and that can save you some TP which you could use for pots.

    Also, why buy the 20% pots instead of the 50's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Torkzed View Post
    I'm not clear on whether you are calling me a liar or saying I am not anyone.

    As I said, 20% pots are what I buy with virtually all my points from VIP subscription . That is pretty close to 6000 pts per year, augmented by whatever I make playing the game. If you buy them 25 at a time on sale, they go a long way. I have also bought an odd featherfall or deathblock augment now and then although I will probably be told next that *no one* buys those either.

    I'm always amazed that some folks are so sure that they know what *everyone* else in the world is doing.

    At least one person buys the 20% pots in bulk and runs them nearly continuously. This is not an opinion, it is a fact. Now if someone wants to say it is a waste of points to do this, that is an opinion to which they are entitled. (And I am happy to ignore it.)
    Watch for traveller trunk sales. I bought a bunch of those @ 75% off and it was a super cheap way to stock up on sovereigns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emerge2012 View Post
    I believe people that constantly run 20% pots duped the shards whenever that exploit was active. I just came back to the game a month ago after being away 4 years. In these past 4 weeks I'm on life #5 and have extensively farmed collectable nodes with my main and 2 farmers. I've found one medium, and had 1 from the previous 4-5 lives.

    I've run with a handful of semi-static groups upon returning and it seems they're all running 20% pots all the time and then immediately TR at 20 because they already have a ton of tokens. I generally fall behind by about a day or two because I only run the 5% pots from challenge farming and have to get my tokens legit.

    So while it's possible that through a crapload of past lives and stockpiling/buying medium shards that a player might have a bunch of 20% pots. But I think it's safe to say they'd have been using those pots much earlier. The chances of people getting it legit is insanely slim, to the point of laughable.
    The drop rates on many things seem to have been scaled down over the years. In addition, the playerbase of DDO, while I do see plenty of new players, has definitively diminished from it's heyday. Consequently, you don't see near as many dragonshards, tomes, mnemonic elixirs, or other currently rare items that, while not commonplace, were significantly more present in years past. For example, I have a character who is entirely full of tomes. I haven't been getting them all in the last year, and I don't hound the AH/SE- the drop rates used to be higher, and I could consistently get about one a life (Unbound Skill or Attribute). It also wasn't uncommon for people to sell me them for 25-50k platinum a piece. Eberron Dragonshards were similar- I still have over 100 of every type of dragonshard. Mostly because I've been hoarding for years, but also because they tended to be more commonplace before, although they were still never particularly common. I don't think I've drank a mnemonic elixir in about a year either- they all tend to stack up. Other people having higher resource totals isn't necessarily always a product of them exploiting the game, it frequently is just hoarders versus those who use their resources to support a current playstyle- it's not necessarily good or bad either way, but one does tend to have more lying around later in the game's lifetime.

    There also are people who spend a decent amount of money on this game, and turbine points aren't particularly difficult to get. I played with someone the other day who was re-rolling every end chest throughout an entire run of heroic Ravenloft to try and get named loot. One of the other people in the group commented on it, and he said he usually purchased a new pack of 2,000 astral shards every two weeks to a month. Someone who can maintain that level of expense in the game, or even significantly less, can easily keep up potions at all times if they want.
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    so... in the end i messed it a bit, i mean

    my idea for this life was "run only once on r2, at level, starting as iconic without banking xp, without xp pots and not repeating the quest on heroic and then on epic with trapper bonus"

    well, can't be done unless you do weird things like... farming a quest for no reaper xp, or hoard slayers for the same reason (which is a bit dumb statement, i must say, but i'm that way lol) so anticipating it couldn't be done, i did on heroic LoD chain, and druid and stormhorns... thanks to that XPm doing every heroic quest non raid on r2 hit 20 without wasting too much XP

    1st thing, if you are running r2, do heroic AND epic, the reaper xp difference is really low, for example demonweb chain was giving... 800 rxp? at lvl 23, however druid chain on epic was giving 700 rxp + the 600 rxp it gave me on heroic, so at least, for r2 it's better not to save quests for epics (of course the epic xp difference will be more noticeable due to 1st bonus but we're talking only about rxp), however if you save the quests for epic lelves you all know the epic xp you can get it's insane (1,2m for a gh 1st time tour? lol)

    ofc i could only mess it in one way, no, i had to go further, so with lvl 26 and having done all epic quests except house d & p chain, madness chain (lvl 22 quests give way too much xp, same with gh tour lol so had to bank at some point) i had 5,6M xp and 87k rxp, at this point i got tired and seeing there were not many things to run for 1st time on r2 at lvl i decided to join big levels with higher skulls quests (no, i didnt farm, no i didnt any raid, no i didnt run ravenloft lol, but did several r6 and some r10) checking the following progression/relation

    5,6m XP I had 87k rxp
    6,4m XP I had 125k rxp
    6,9m XP I had 146k rxp (here i did SH chain on r2, which i already had done on heroic)
    at cap I had 155k rxp

    but wait... i turned in all the sagas cause i wanted to cap! XD so yes, the reaper xp could have been higher if i didn't turn them (it's about 1M xp?) i would estimate something like 50k epic xp for 1k reaper xp for every r2 quest ran for 1st time on epic so the difference maybe it's not that big (if you rerun a quest on epic the relation could prolly drop but i mean, in most places epic quests 1st time give something around 50k and 1k rxp, there're brutal exceptions like GH, WGU, von, spies, WK and... well you all know which ones give too much xp lol)

    so far the rxp test are as follow:
    - non iconic doing ALL quests at level being capped like 30% of the time (except some raids) on r2 with 20% pot yields 165k rxp
    - non iconic doing only the necessary quests to level (so turning sagas is allowed lol) with trapper bonus but no xp pot gives 75k rxp
    - iconic doing all heroic quests which have no epic version (except LoD, druid and SH chain which were run on heroic and epic for the sake of hitting 20) and running all the epic quests needed to level even turning sagas, on r2 without xp pot and trapper bonus means 155k rxp aprox
    Last edited by psykopeta; 05-17-2018 at 04:12 PM.
    psykopeta is finally baconpletionist because there isn't anything to delay it more - thelanis, where the gimps claim to be pros and noobs claim to be pros, no newbies allowed(unless they claim to be pros), we have enough drama w/o them. PS: I post only in the latest thread shown in main page, in the weird case u want something from me, feel free to send pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blastyswa View Post
    The drop rates on many things seem to have been scaled down over the years. In addition, the playerbase of DDO, while I do see plenty of new players, has definitively diminished from it's heyday. Consequently, you don't see near as many dragonshards, tomes, mnemonic elixirs, or other currently rare items that, while not commonplace, were significantly more present in years past. For example, I have a character who is entirely full of tomes. I haven't been getting them all in the last year, and I don't hound the AH/SE- the drop rates used to be higher, and I could consistently get about one a life (Unbound Skill or Attribute). It also wasn't uncommon for people to sell me them for 25-50k platinum a piece. Eberron Dragonshards were similar- I still have over 100 of every type of dragonshard. Mostly because I've been hoarding for years, but also because they tended to be more commonplace before, although they were still never particularly common. I don't think I've drank a mnemonic elixir in about a year either- they all tend to stack up. Other people having higher resource totals isn't necessarily always a product of them exploiting the game, it frequently is just hoarders versus those who use their resources to support a current playstyle- it's not necessarily good or bad either way, but one does tend to have more lying around later in the game's lifetime.

    There also are people who spend a decent amount of money on this game, and turbine points aren't particularly difficult to get. I played with someone the other day who was re-rolling every end chest throughout an entire run of heroic Ravenloft to try and get named loot. One of the other people in the group commented on it, and he said he usually purchased a new pack of 2,000 astral shards every two weeks to a month. Someone who can maintain that level of expense in the game, or even significantly less, can easily keep up potions at all times if they want.
    I'm not doubting that some players have a good stockpile of things from years of playing. Hell my alt was loaded with +3 and +4 tomes from 5 years ago and I barely see any of them now even running reaper raids at cap.

    To be dead honest the only reason I even brought up the duping is because there's always going to be that one cheater that pretends he's the unicorn that actually purposely buys 20% pots with ddo points that he purposely saves especially for the 20% pots when they go on sale. Rather than just staying quiet they always feel the need to out themselves by saying something stupid.

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