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    so... this was my 1st life doing reaper on my main and i decided to do something... not very smart lol

    i wanted to know what's the reaper xp you get in a life if you stick to:
    - Doing every quest
    - At base lvl (no penalty, ofc)
    - R2, cause i think it's easy to keep it
    - with 20% xp pot, cause you get it from collectables and... well, i think it's easy to keep
    - no trap bonus, cause i wasn't being trapper this life, was not gonna use one and... well, not many times people joined my lfm (which were up most the time i played by the way)

    the amount doing "every quest under lvl 20 on r2 at lvl with 20% pot on" is 165k xp, i know, it's not efficient, it's just the amount you set in your graphic comparing reaper xp between skulls and overlvl, and know where it hits, also at lvl 15 it was 102k

    you know, i like using the 6h pot when it's almost out or once it's out before completing quest because... well, i always can do something without caring about the xp pot ticking, so it was not always on, i know i've completed under 10 quests w/o pot

    also... i play in thelanis, it's a graveyard, i mean... nobody joined the quest lfm's... do you want me to wait for a raid to fill? i tried with von and adq but... well, didn't happen

    also i wanted to do always R2 but sometimes you know there's some easy xp and wanted to check it... so did TS, all GH and vale on r3, the difference of xp is amazing (got more xp on vale on r3 than in wgu on r2 for example, 1,4k in coal vs... 900 or so in wgu)

    that little extra xp from these quests i did on r3 and the weekend with extra reaper xp (i didn't play too much, in fact i'm not as active as before lol) helped to compensate the quests/raids i haven't done:
    - smuggler's warehouse, stop hazadill's shipment and retrieve the stolen goods, i just did too many quests at lvl 2, i was annoyed at that point that i couldn't grab 3, but did the 1st part on r10, so that compensates too a bit
    - kobold assault and gladewatch outpost defense, i mean, i won't waste my time in these quests, ever, too long for that lvl, specially with xp pot ticking lol
    - devil assault, sorry, skipped it, however i doubt i can complete it, til few lvls later didn't get used to cone warlock (btw the warlock nerf got me at lvl 4, so... playing warlock after long ago, cone which i don't like too much and no reaper xp, won't help in there XD)
    - von 5&6, adq2, titan raid and preraid, raver's fate, litany & abbot (i mean, i like my sigils too much like wasting them on that experiment XD), stealer of souls, shroud, HoX and VoD, MA & LoB, ToD and DD, i know... DD is not a raid, but it's lvl 20 XD

    so i skipped 22 quests/raids and another 10 i haven't the 20% xp pot active, i think it's compensated by the few r3 i ran and the few quests i ran during the 20% extra reaper xp weekend

    now it's time to look at that 4428 favor, check the favor rewards or turn in sagas, yes, got lots to turn in, and... there's no point since i'm already 20 lol guess will take tomes for PEDs

    i guess next try could be something like "what's the reaper xp you get while running r2 quests at lvl, checking only the heroic xp you need to lvl w/o banking xp?" cause i've been 30% the time hard capped, 30% or more w/o doubt lol

    i will prolly do that as trapper, to check the difference between ignoring xp cap with 20% pot or caring about xp cap and trapping

    notice that did all lvl 19 quests being hardcapped for example, or at lvl 16 i did vale the last ones, so when i ran em i was hard capped, if they removed the xp bank/cap would be nice to see the total xp you could get running every heroic quest on reaper at lvl

    PS: the toughest quest i faced was ETK cause in end fight we had 2 living meteor swarm light bearer and 1 firestorm skyborn, lovely indeed
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    I tried an R3 Kobold Assault... and, yeah, don't. Extremely tedious, and then when near the end I got a TWELVE Reaper spawn to flip the middle finger at my effort.

    I also found the Warlock nerf only would really be felt at r1/2 where you could still 1-2 shot everything. It was a struggle trying to use Blast until level 4, but at that level you get web from TS. Just cast it every 6 seconds and kite everything into it investing into your Conjuration. Your Cone shape can hit more targets for more damage than chain can (though chain has it's place for scattered/farther targets or bouncing corners on a CCed melee to tag ranged mobs), and when you have things held in a nice little bundle by web or Evards, you can go to town. Quests with scattered ranged targets (especially up on ledges) that I couldn't just bundle up on my webs were the only real dangers beyond an unlucky reaper spam spawn. You don't need god-like damage when nothing can touch you due to kiting and CC. I went through 1-20 on r3/4 without too much struggle.

    That said, interesting numbers. I have not been getting that much on my lives, but I also haven't been doing any capped runs just for RXP. I also haven't fallen into the trap of min/max grinding the easy RXP quests - I always hated doing that, and every life I do something different to try to keep it more interesting. Different chains, and a lot of my old Heroic/Epic PLs I just cranked up some music and did some mindless slayer/rares in open zones (I remember a 1-20 with zero quests project waaaaaaaaaaaaay back in the day). I'll try to remember to mark my Reaper XP to see how much my "inefficient" leveling nets me over a 1-20 life.

    As for the PUG scene, it's been mixed for me. I've had days where not a single person clicks my groups, to days like today where I was able to fill a party completely in only a couple of minutes on every quest chain I did. I wouldn't call Thelanis dead at all, but after they get done with Ravenloft I do wish they would take a serious look at numbers and the technical issues they have on a Server merge. At that point we'll be past the Summer Slump that is typical for MMOs and under the influx of a new expansion - if the populations are not good then, they'll likely never be and is a serious flag for a merge.

    That said, feel free to hit an LFM of mine when you see it and are in range. Or maybe we can even talk about a static. Even if it means it takes me longer to do a 1-20 run, I'd much rather run with someone that I can chat and become friends with than run solo.
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    The most efficient way to do this is to balance getting to level 20 efficiently and earning the most rxp. Running 6 hour 50% xp pots, it takes less than 24 hours to run to level 20 per life, which for me translates to between 3 and 5 days depending on which day of the week I TR and how the weekend falls in that interval. I keep my playtime somewhat casual, only 3 or 4 hours per night during the week, and more of course on the weekends and have no problems racking up huge rxp. Skip Korthos and immediately get to level 2 using daily roll stones that you saved from your previous life. Do all quests at level for full rxp. At level 2 start running R2. Bump it up to R3 when you get to level 4 and have the Reaper tree available. Bump it up to R4 when you can use heal scrolls, or unlock the next tier in the Reaper tree. Bump it up to R5 when you hit Gianthold at level 13. Adjust downwards as you progress (if you're losing noticeable amounts of time per quest), or upwards as desired (shorter quests with big rxp payouts), but keep it at R4 or R5 at least til you cap at level 20.

    Done correctly, you should have at least 150K rxp in an average of 4 days (20-24 hours of game time). Even though you'll get more rxp per life doing all the quests as the OP described, by starting the wheel over again you will earn more rxp over time because you're earning more efficiently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LawfulGood View Post
    The most efficient way to do this is to balance getting to level 20 efficiently and earning the most rxp. Running 6 hour 50% xp pots, it takes less than 24 hours to run to level 20 per life, which for me translates to between 3 and 5 days depending on which day of the week I TR and how the weekend falls in that interval. I keep my playtime somewhat casual, only 3 or 4 hours per night during the week, and more of course on the weekends and have no problems racking up huge rxp. Skip Korthos and immediately get to level 2 using daily roll stones that you saved from your previous life. Do all quests at level for full rxp. At level 2 start running R2. Bump it up to R3 when you get to level 4 and have the Reaper tree available. Bump it up to R4 when you can use heal scrolls, or unlock the next tier in the Reaper tree. Bump it up to R5 when you hit Gianthold at level 13. Adjust downwards as you progress (if you're losing noticeable amounts of time per quest), or upwards as desired (shorter quests with big rxp payouts), but keep it at R4 or R5 at least til you cap at level 20.

    Done correctly, you should have at least 150K rxp in an average of 4 days (20-24 hours of game time). Even though you'll get more rxp per life doing all the quests as the OP described, by starting the wheel over again you will earn more rxp over time because you're earning more efficiently.
    Do you have a guide you follow for your fast level 20 run? I just returned to the game, and am not that fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aselrik View Post
    Do you have a guide you follow for your fast level 20 run? I just returned to the game, and am not that fast.
    A full quest list and a link to videos for those quests can be found here: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post6018358
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    Quote Originally Posted by psykopeta View Post
    so... this was my 1st life doing reaper on my main and i decided to do something... not very smart lol

    i wanted to know what's the reaper xp you get in a life if you stick to:
    - Doing every quest
    - At base lvl (no penalty, ofc)
    - R2, cause i think it's easy to keep it
    - with 20% xp pot, cause you get it from collectables and... well, i think it's easy to keep
    - no trap bonus, cause i wasn't being trapper this life, was not gonna use one and... well, not many times people joined my lfm (which were up most the time i played by the way)

    the amount doing "every quest under lvl 20 on r2 at lvl with 20% pot on" is 165k xp, i know, it's not efficient, it's just the amount you set in your graphic comparing reaper xp between skulls and overlvl, and know where it hits, also at lvl 15 it was 102k

    you know, i like using the 6h pot when it's almost out or once it's out before completing quest because... well, i always can do something without caring about the xp pot ticking, so it was not always on, i know i've completed under 10 quests w/o pot

    also... i play in thelanis, it's a graveyard, i mean... nobody joined the quest lfm's... do you want me to wait for a raid to fill? i tried with von and adq but... well, didn't happen

    also i wanted to do always R2 but sometimes you know there's some easy xp and wanted to check it... so did TS, all GH and vale on r3, the difference of xp is amazing (got more xp on vale on r3 than in wgu on r2 for example, 1,4k in coal vs... 900 or so in wgu)

    that little extra xp from these quests i did on r3 and the weekend with extra reaper xp (i didn't play too much, in fact i'm not as active as before lol) helped to compensate the quests/raids i haven't done:
    - smuggler's warehouse, stop hazadill's shipment and retrieve the stolen goods, i just did too many quests at lvl 2, i was annoyed at that point that i couldn't grab 3, but did the 1st part on r10, so that compensates too a bit
    - kobold assault and gladewatch outpost defense, i mean, i won't waste my time in these quests, ever, too long for that lvl, specially with xp pot ticking lol
    - devil assault, sorry, skipped it, however i doubt i can complete it, til few lvls later didn't get used to cone warlock (btw the warlock nerf got me at lvl 4, so... playing warlock after long ago, cone which i don't like too much and no reaper xp, won't help in there XD)
    - von 5&6, adq2, titan raid and preraid, raver's fate, litany & abbot (i mean, i like my sigils too much like wasting them on that experiment XD), stealer of souls, shroud, HoX and VoD, MA & LoB, ToD and DD, i know... DD is not a raid, but it's lvl 20 XD

    so i skipped 22 quests/raids and another 10 i haven't the 20% xp pot active, i think it's compensated by the few r3 i ran and the few quests i ran during the 20% extra reaper xp weekend

    now it's time to look at that 4428 favor, check the favor rewards or turn in sagas, yes, got lots to turn in, and... there's no point since i'm already 20 lol guess will take tomes for PEDs

    i guess next try could be something like "what's the reaper xp you get while running r2 quests at lvl, checking only the heroic xp you need to lvl w/o banking xp?" cause i've been 30% the time hard capped, 30% or more w/o doubt lol

    i will prolly do that as trapper, to check the difference between ignoring xp cap with 20% pot or caring about xp cap and trapping

    notice that did all lvl 19 quests being hardcapped for example, or at lvl 16 i did vale the last ones, so when i ran em i was hard capped, if they removed the xp bank/cap would be nice to see the total xp you could get running every heroic quest on reaper at lvl

    PS: the toughest quest i faced was ETK cause in end fight we had 2 living meteor swarm light bearer and 1 firestorm skyborn, lovely indeed
    Wait, come back to what you said about a 20% xp pot. You can't get those from collectables. Can you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimtheGreat89 View Post
    Wait, come back to what you said about a 20% xp pot. You can't get those from collectables. Can you?
    You can. There's a vendor in House D who will take 3 Medium Eberron Shards for a Major Experience Elixir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drwaz99 View Post
    You can. There's a vendor in House D who will take 3 Medium Eberron Shards for a Major Experience Elixir.

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    No kidding! To think I've constantly spent TP for just a single 10% Elixir.

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    For those who don't want to reincarnate to build up rxp, running quests on a capped character is nowhere near as far behind as it used to be. It's still not as efficient as running heroics, but since the change it doesn't feel like we're totally wasting our time anymore.

    I did a couple of sessions recently that netted 40k+ rxp. That was doing a round of most of the legendary quests at around 5 skulls with VIP, ship and voice xp buffs. With a first time bonus and a good xp potion, it would be a lot more.

    On the downside, it's a fairly small selection of quests and you need a strong group with cc, instakills and ranged damage to get through them at a decent pace. Some of them go much more easily with a tank and dedicated healer, but most of them can be done without.

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    Medium Eberron Dragonshards are rare. Wiki lists it as a 1% chance. I have trouble believing you can get them regularly enough to keep the pot running constantly. I'm lucky if I pull 1 per life and they are expensive on the AH if someone does post them. I'm not aware of any alternative ways to get Medium Eberrons other than from collectable nodes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qhualor View Post
    Medium Eberron Dragonshards are rare. Wiki lists it as a 1% chance. I have trouble believing you can get them regularly enough to keep the pot running constantly. I'm lucky if I pull 1 per life and they are expensive on the AH if someone does post them. I'm not aware of any alternative ways to get Medium Eberrons other than from collectable nodes.
    I'm not getting them, i just have ****loads from when i was actively tr'ing my main, i was always checking the AH to buy them, but once i had them i was never using, i'm a rat, a hoarder, i keep lots of trash in my 11 mules that i will never use, or like mana pots, xp pots from daily rolls, stats tomes, siberys starter cake in my main after being triple everything (except racial) . That i never use

    Good thing i found some use for the medium shards (it was my plat sink for ages, i started buying them for around 100k each but last time i recall buying them... They were at like 1,5m the pack of 3 lol)

    So i said it's easy to keep that 20% cause u have ways fron getting that bonus, 10% vip gets quite close

    Once im done lurking with alts, ima try the next test, with trapper bonus no pot running all the way w/o wasting heroic xp like i did lol

    It's not like i play my main so dunno when will that happen
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    Quote Originally Posted by blerkington View Post
    For those who don't want to reincarnate to build up rxp, running quests on a capped character is nowhere near as far behind as it used to be. It's still not as efficient as running heroics, but since the change it doesn't feel like we're totally wasting our time anymore.

    I did a couple of sessions recently that netted 40k+ rxp. That was doing a round of most of the legendary quests at around 5 skulls with VIP, ship and voice xp buffs. With a first time bonus and a good xp potion, it would be a lot more.

    On the downside, it's a fairly small selection of quests and you need a strong group with cc, instakills and ranged damage to get through them at a decent pace. Some of them go much more easily with a tank and dedicated healer, but most of them can be done without.

    Thanks.
    Well, the grass is always greener I guess... just did the same, and a couple of sessions joining endgame groups for 40k+ rxp each time at cap is worth about as much as a couple of months of fairly slowly solo'ing or duo'ing R3ish quests to cap. For me, reaper xp at cap now is a literal order of magnitude better than reaper xp leveling.

    But... playing high skulls at cap I find pretty intensely boring - follow a roaming pack of warlocks around as they CC and instakill 90% of everything, kill a few helpless deathblocked champions/reapers, then perch in the conveniently provided safe spot to autoattack the boss for 5-10 minutes. Thrilling gameplay it is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfishski View Post
    Thrilling gameplay it is not.
    Yes, that is a whole other discussion. And it's made a lot worse by the very small number of legendary quests there are to do.

    I'm not sure if anyone at SSG has tried or even thought through how higher skull runs would play but with the right group, it becomes very routine and the difference between r5 and r10 is surprisingly small except in a few cases. There is no reason not to go higher than r5 if your group can handle it and that means more rxp; our last session was a selection of things from r6-r10 and it felt not that much different to the earlier ones.

    I wouldn't describe reaper as a good implementation of challenge. It does mean we can't play in the same hyper-aggressive and careless way as we can in lower difficulty settings, the right party composition is important and there's less tolerance for sloppiness and mistakes without deaths. It's also very punitive to some playstyles while hardly affecting others at all.

    But once you get used to it, it becomes obvious it's not the huge leap it was touted as and first seemed to be. Turning the incoming damage dial up to 11 while reducing our own damage and healing wasn't a very good solution at all. They could keep on turning those dials even more and it wouldn't really change all that much about how most quests play so they've kind of painted themselves into a corner.

    Anyway, I was quite happy about the boost to rxp for legendary quests at first. It gave me something to do with my capped character and let me get to 32 points (for a tier 3 and a tier 4 core) in a sensible amount of time. Now that I'm there though, I'll probably run some more reaper stuff anyway but not with the same frequency as I have been since the rxp boost. Getting more points is slow now, the benefits are very minimal and are not required, and it is just so repetitive.

    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blerkington View Post
    But once you get used to it, it becomes obvious it's not the huge leap it was touted as and first seemed to be. Turning the incoming damage dial up to 11 while reducing our own damage and healing wasn't a very good solution at all. They could keep on turning those dials even more and it wouldn't really change all that much about how most quests play so they've kind of painted themselves into a corner.
    Yes, after getting to a certain number of skulls you just die when you get hit unless you're an all-in tank, but with the right CC options and the right safe spots you can just never get hit so it's not much of an problem that damage is increased further. I suggested other options from Lamannia and since then, but... maybe one day.


    Anyway, relevant to the thread:
    Something like 60-80k per life 1-20 on moderate low skulls not trying to do every quest. I didn't do well on reaper xp my most recent life as I was having too much fun doing all the cannith/estar challenges and a lot of night revels. I really hope there are more proper challenges requiring coordination rather than DPS in the future.

    After you get to level 28+ without doing any of the quests available at legendary, join mid-high skulls LFMs run by warlocks and wizards who have the DCs to take care of the whole quest by themselves without any monsters hitting them but just want whatever kind of DPS to make the boss fight less tedious. Use your XP potions there and get many thousands per quest with first time bonus. This is by far the easiest way to level up your reaper points if you can't zerg R5 in heroics with a likeminded pack of infernal warlocks who can keep a good schedule (and good on you if you can!) but that's hardly standard for most players so shouldn't really be used as a comparison point.

    Otherwise.... just play whatever difficulty is actually fun based on the power of your current build and try not to look at the discouraging progress bar to the next point too often.
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    Next life im also doing an all reaper life. I suggest if you are planning to do true reincarnations then don't do every quest, but if your going to 5k favour then why not? xD

    Personally, with the past i get a minimum of 120k a life whilst making sure i do not cap and do them at base level. Therefore the extra few thousand is not worth waiting for at cap.
    I'm finishing my heroics now, therefore getting them done quick is important xD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimtheGreat89 View Post
    No kidding! To think I've constantly spent TP for just a single 10% Elixir.
    however the medium shards are hard to find and i believe they are totally rare, you can't farm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qhualor View Post
    Medium Eberron Dragonshards are rare. Wiki lists it as a 1% chance. I have trouble believing you can get them regularly enough to keep the pot running constantly. I'm lucky if I pull 1 per life and they are expensive on the AH if someone does post them. I'm not aware of any alternative ways to get Medium Eberrons other than from collectable nodes.
    I believe people that constantly run 20% pots duped the shards whenever that exploit was active. I just came back to the game a month ago after being away 4 years. In these past 4 weeks I'm on life #5 and have extensively farmed collectable nodes with my main and 2 farmers. I've found one medium, and had 1 from the previous 4-5 lives.

    I've run with a handful of semi-static groups upon returning and it seems they're all running 20% pots all the time and then immediately TR at 20 because they already have a ton of tokens. I generally fall behind by about a day or two because I only run the 5% pots from challenge farming and have to get my tokens legit.

    So while it's possible that through a crapload of past lives and stockpiling/buying medium shards that a player might have a bunch of 20% pots. But I think it's safe to say they'd have been using those pots much earlier. The chances of people getting it legit is insanely slim, to the point of laughable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emerge2012 View Post
    I believe people that constantly run 20% pots duped the shards whenever that exploit was active.
    Is it really so hard to believe some people buy stuff from the store? I constantly run 20% pots and i have never duped anything. I am VIP to support the game and pick up a few odd perks. I spend my 500TP/month almost exclusively (not much else I want/need) on 20% pots by saving them until the 25XMajor Experience Elixirs go on sale, and then buying a couple packs of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torkzed View Post
    Is it really so hard to believe some people buy stuff from the store? I constantly run 20% pots and i have never duped anything. I am VIP to support the game and pick up a few odd perks. I spend my 500TP/month almost exclusively (not much else I want/need) on 20% pots by saving them until the 25XMajor Experience Elixirs go on sale, and then buying a couple packs of them.
    Yes, it's hard to believe. Because anyone actually buying pots aren't going to buy the 20%ers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emerge2012 View Post
    Yes, it's hard to believe. Because anyone actually buying pots aren't going to buy the 20%ers.
    I'm not clear on whether you are calling me a liar or saying I am not anyone.

    As I said, 20% pots are what I buy with virtually all my points from VIP subscription . That is pretty close to 6000 pts per year, augmented by whatever I make playing the game. If you buy them 25 at a time on sale, they go a long way. I have also bought an odd featherfall or deathblock augment now and then although I will probably be told next that *no one* buys those either.

    I'm always amazed that some folks are so sure that they know what *everyone* else in the world is doing.

    At least one person buys the 20% pots in bulk and runs them nearly continuously. This is not an opinion, it is a fact. Now if someone wants to say it is a waste of points to do this, that is an opinion to which they are entitled. (And I am happy to ignore it.)

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