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    Default Offer an option for Level 30 toons to acquire both Racial and Class past life.

    Currently we can choose between Class or Racial past life at 20..
    Which has put a lot of players in the TR heroic hamster wheel leaving epic level content fairly desolate..

    Would like to see an option for players to be able to take the Class and Racal past life bonuses together by levelling their toons to 30...
    Would be a decent motivator for players to run levels 1-30..
    and then have the options to choose..
    1. Take an Epic past life followed by a class OR racial
    2 TR back to level 1 with Class and Racial past life (giving up the epic past life option).
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    Quote Originally Posted by JOTMON View Post
    Currently we can choose between Class or Racial past life at 20..
    Which has put a lot of players in the TR heroic hamster wheel leaving epic level content fairly desolate..

    Would like to see an option for players to be able to take the Class and Racal past life bonuses together by levelling their toons to 30...
    Would be a decent motivator for players to run levels 1-30..
    and then have the options to choose..
    1. Take an Epic past life followed by a class OR racial
    2 TR back to level 1 with Class and Racial past life (giving up the epic past life option).
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    +1 op

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    Considering that currently at level 30, you can already get 2 types of past lives (epic plus racial, epic plus heroic, or iconic plus heroic), I don't see that the OPs suggestion would be out of balance in any way, so

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    Quote Originally Posted by CThruTheEgo View Post
    Considering that currently at level 30, you can already get 2 types of past lives (epic plus racial, epic plus heroic, or iconic plus heroic), I don't see that the OPs suggestion would be out of balance in any way, so

    /signed.
    Not saying I agree or disagree. BUT! 20-30 is a lot faster than 1-20 if you know what your doing. Going from 1-20 x2 takes about 1.5 times longer than going 1-30. This is also why iconic + heroic lives are a little wonky - though this is slightly balanced by the decreased power of iconic vs epic pls.

    I do think that reaper xp should be increased in epics and further increased at cap to promote those level groups. A lot of people would still grind reaper trs in heroics for racial pls but the fact of the matter is that some are doing it "mostly" for the reaper xp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morroiel View Post
    20-30 is a lot faster than 1-20 if you know what your doing.
    Bold added. The same could be said of heroics. I know people who can get a heroic life done pretty fast, running a handful of quests each level that they've managed to get down to about 10 minutes per run, which is sort of the equivalent of daily xp runs in epics.

    Plus, OP's suggestion requires going from 30 back to 1 to gain both a heroic and racial past life. That would not allow one to take advantage of saga xp or prepped slayers to bypass the first few levels of epic, which is another common method for speeding up epic leveling when farming epic past lives specifically.

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    I do think that reaper xp should be increased in epics and further increased at cap to promote those level groups.
    Agreed and /signed.

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    A lot of people would still grind reaper trs in heroics for racial pls but the fact of the matter is that some are doing it "mostly" for the reaper xp.
    Yes and no. SSG added two more hamster wheels to the game simultaneously - racial past lives and reaper xp. Heroics are currently in vogue right now because players can kill two birds with one stone by getting racial past lives as well as the easiest reaper xp in the game. If SSG were to increase reaper xp in epics and at cap, then players who are primarily interested in reaper xp would stay in epics (assuming the xp increase was sufficient to provide incentive) and we would see a further split of the population between those who are after racial past lives and those who want reaper xp.

    The best solution would be to implement the OP's suggestion of allowing both a heroic and racial past life from level 30 back to level 1 and increasing reaper xp in epics and at cap. That way players can still work on both at any level and would minimize reasons for the population to segregate.
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    nope, it's fine the way it is now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CThruTheEgo View Post
    Bold added. The same could be said of heroics. I know people who can get a heroic life done pretty fast, running a handful of quests each level that they've managed to get down to about 10 minutes per run, which is sort of the equivalent of daily xp runs in epics.

    Plus, OP's suggestion requires going from 30 back to 1 to gain both a heroic and racial past life. That would not allow one to take advantage of saga xp or prepped slayers to bypass the first few levels of epic, which is another common method for speeding up epic leveling when farming epic past lives specifically.



    Agreed and /signed.



    Yes and no. SSG added two more hamster wheels to the game simultaneously - racial past lives and reaper xp. Heroics are currently in vogue right now because players can kill two birds with one stone by getting racial past lives as well as the easiest reaper xp in the game. If SSG were to increase reaper xp in epics and at cap, then players who are primarily interested in reaper xp would stay in epics (assuming the xp increase was sufficient to provide incentive) and we would see a further split of the population between those who are after racial past lives and those who want reaper xp.

    The best solution would be to implement the OP's suggestion of allowing both a heroic and racial past life from level 30 back to level 1 and increasing reaper xp in epics and at cap. That way players can still work on both at any level and would minimize reasons for the population to segregate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JOTMON View Post
    Currently we can choose between Class or Racial past life at 20..
    Which has put a lot of players in the TR heroic hamster wheel leaving epic level content fairly desolate..

    Would like to see an option for players to be able to take the Class and Racal past life bonuses together by levelling their toons to 30...
    Would be a decent motivator for players to run levels 1-30..
    and then have the options to choose..
    1. Take an Epic past life followed by a class OR racial
    2 TR back to level 1 with Class and Racial past life (giving up the epic past life option).
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    Quote Originally Posted by JOTMON View Post
    2 TR back to level 1 with Class and Racial past life (giving up the epic past life option).
    This, just to not have to relevel before TR would be nice. Given the strengths of epic pasts versus others, this isn't unbalancing. If you add this might as well add heroic and epic combo 30-1 too.

    The question is will it break something? Is it worth Dev time? And the Reincarnation panel is getting a little clogged as is, another option might require some redesign.

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    signed if you sign my "bring back masterful craftsmanship as craftable property"

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    Quote Originally Posted by CThruTheEgo View Post
    Bold added. The same could be said of heroics. I know people who can get a heroic life done pretty fast, running a handful of quests each level that they've managed to get down to about 10 minutes per run, which is sort of the equivalent of daily xp runs in epics.

    Plus, OP's suggestion requires going from 30 back to 1 to gain both a heroic and racial past life. That would not allow one to take advantage of saga xp or prepped slayers to bypass the first few levels of epic, which is another common method for speeding up epic leveling when farming epic past lives specifically.



    Agreed and /signed.



    Yes and no. SSG added two more hamster wheels to the game simultaneously - racial past lives and reaper xp. Heroics are currently in vogue right now because players can kill two birds with one stone by getting racial past lives as well as the easiest reaper xp in the game. If SSG were to increase reaper xp in epics and at cap, then players who are primarily interested in reaper xp would stay in epics (assuming the xp increase was sufficient to provide incentive) and we would see a further split of the population between those who are after racial past lives and those who want reaper xp.

    The best solution would be to implement the OP's suggestion of allowing both a heroic and racial past life from level 30 back to level 1 and increasing reaper xp in epics and at cap. That way players can still work on both at any level and would minimize reasons for the population to segregate.

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    /signed

    My suggestion would be to mix and match, drop two hearts in at 30 and grab 2 qualifying Heroic/Racial/Epic PL's. That would give these new features as well as streamlining the process of ETR/HTR which currently exists. Also less chance of bugs in the TR process (only has to do the operation once, instead of twice).

    Regardless of whether or not it's 50% faster to do heroics/epics, what's the big problem with that? So now you can get lives faster, except they've added another 30 (RPL's) to the list. I have no issue with that.

    Also saves you from having to re-level during that ETR and all that awkward stuff.
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    This would allow players to do a racial reincarnation from 30-20, and then level up to 30 again for another. Whether that's a problem or not is debateable I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnie View Post
    This would allow players to do a racial reincarnation from 30-20, and then level up to 30 again for another.
    That's not what OP is suggesting. Take a closer look. OP is suggesting that you go from level 30 back to level 1 and gain both a heroic and racial past life. Similar to:

    Quote Originally Posted by SpartanKiller13 View Post
    My suggestion would be to mix and match, drop two hearts in at 30 and grab 2 qualifying Heroic/Racial/Epic PL's.
    I like this. Maintain the option to go from 30 to 20 for an epic past life only, but give non-iconics the option to go from 30 to 1 and gain any 2 of heroic/racial/epic past lives. Keep iconics as they are, going from 30 back to 1 (or 15 if doing another iconic) and gaining a heroic and iconic past life. This would really streamline the TR process. So,

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    Quote Originally Posted by JOTMON View Post
    Currently we can choose between Class or Racial past life at 20..
    Which has put a lot of players in the TR heroic hamster wheel leaving epic level content fairly desolate..

    Would like to see an option for players to be able to take the Class and Racal past life bonuses together by levelling their toons to 30...
    Would be a decent motivator for players to run levels 1-30..
    and then have the options to choose..
    1. Take an Epic past life followed by a class OR racial
    2 TR back to level 1 with Class and Racial past life (giving up the epic past life option).
    You are kidding right?. I'm just about to start Racial life 19 tomorrow so there is not a cat in hells chance I would now agree to this
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    Quote Originally Posted by CThruTheEgo View Post
    I like this. Maintain the option to go from 30 to 20 for an epic past life only, but give non-iconics the option to go from 30 to 1 and gain any 2 of heroic/racial/epic past lives. Keep iconics as they are, going from 30 back to 1 (or 15 if doing another iconic) and gaining a heroic and iconic past life. This would really streamline the TR process. So,

    /signed
    Exactly. Everyone goes 30-1 with a double TR or ITR, but can choose to go into an Iconic to start at 15 instead.

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    You are kidding right?. I'm just about to start Racial life 19 tomorrow so there is not a cat in hells chance I would now agree to this
    Why not? This is largely a QoL upgrade. It's not like you're getting 2 RPL's from lvl 20 or something. It's just streamlining the process and allowing a few more options.
    You can't even make the "I walked uphill both ways so you should do the same" argument because this really isn't making it easier. It's just spreading the grind across epics if you feel like it.
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    Warlock is basically a ghetto Shiradi Sorc. You gives up some of the damage and self sustain for the ability to just hold down left click and yolo blast your way to victory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpartanKiller13 View Post
    Exactly. Everyone goes 30-1 with a double TR or ITR, but can choose to go into an Iconic to start at 15 instead.



    Why not? This is largely a QoL upgrade. It's not like you're getting 2 RPL's from lvl 20 or something. It's just streamlining the process and allowing a few more options.
    You can't even make the "I walked uphill both ways so you should do the same" argument because this really isn't making it easier. It's just spreading the grind across epics if you feel like it.
    No its shutting the stable door AFTER the horse has bolted.
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    /signed, but i don't see it happening, vide above among other reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistaMagic View Post
    You are kidding right?. I'm just about to start Racial life 19 tomorrow so there is not a cat in hells chance I would now agree to this
    19 RPLs is completely ludicrous, not imossilbe...just ridiculous.

    If you did all these straight up get your head checked.

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