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    Default Building a Better Monkcher

    For some loosely defined notion of "better," at any rate.

    Disclaimer: Turbine has stated they're not done with overhauling the Arcane Archer PrE, so who knows how we'll have to overhaul our monkchers (again) when they do. But DDO has never been a game for people who like static builds, so...

    For this thread's purposes, a "monkcher" is any archer build with at least 6 monk levels to take the Ten Thousand Stars (TTS) feat; implicitly, any monkcher will also have Manyshot (MS) and the usual array of ranged feats. Most monkchers are elf or half-elf to access the racial AA PrE, which has become more attractive due to both buffs in the tree (particularly the last two cores) and changes to how MS and TTS work.


    • Manyshot: For the next 20 seconds, add 120 to your Doubleshot and your Base Attack Bonus * 4 to Ranged Power.
    • Ten Thousand Stars: Activate this ability to enter a trance for 30 seconds (or until you become uncentered). Add your Wisdom ability score to your Ranged Power and add your monk level * 5 to your Doubleshot.


    So the good news: Turbine eliminated the Doubleshot penalties from both feats, which finally makes Doubleshot bonuses useful to monkchers. The bad news: Turbine eliminated the Doubleshot penalties from both feats, which means if you don't have access to any Doubleshot bonuses, your ranged DPS takes a hit relative to other archers. Also: the changes to TTS means that the more monk levels you have, the more Doubleshot you gain, up to +100 from pure monk; this puts the heavily MCed monkchers who only took monk 6 at a disadvantage.

    A brief note about ki regen: unfortunately, ranged attacks don't generate ki like melee does. So presuming you want a full-time ranged toon, you need to invest in one or more passive ki regen options, including: Ninja's Stealthy enhancement (regen ki while stealthed); Henshin (or Kensei) Contemplation; use Ocean stance (Master or GM); Grandmaster of Flowers' Enlightenment.

    EDIT: (1/14/18) finally posting some new builds for U37

    Zen Monkcher (monk 20)

    This build is intended to be first-life / newbie-friendly: no tomes required, no P2P options beyond monk itself - in particular, no Harper or Vistani. [For an example of a shurimonk build which exploits VKF's Weapon Versatility, see this thread.] In heroics, it is primarily a shuriken build which only uses bows for Manyshot; hence why it goes for Ninja capstone instead of AA. In epics you can choose between focusing on sustained DPS via LD's Blitz; or burst-DPS-focused in FotW (Adrenaline FTW) which will also favor focusing on AA tree.
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    Zen Monkcher (U37)
    Monk 20
    Lawful Neutral Elf
    
    
    Stats
                   28pt     32pt     34pt     36pt     Level Up
                   ----     ----     ----     ----     --------
    Strength         8        8        8        8       4: DEX
    Dexterity       20       20       20       20       8: DEX
    Constitution    12       14       14       14      12: DEX
    Intelligence     8        8        8        8      16: DEX
    Wisdom          14       14       15       16      20: DEX
    Charisma         8        8        8        8      24: DEX
                                                       28: DEX
    
    Skills
              1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
             ------------------------------------------------------------
    Concent   4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
    Spellcr   1  1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1  11
    UMD       2     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     11
    Balance   1                                                            1
    Tumble    1                                                            1
             ------------------------------------------------------------
             12  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3
    
    
    Feats
    
     1        : Point Blank Shot
     1 Monk   : Shuriken Expertise
     2 Monk   : Precision
     3        : Rapid Shot
     6        : Precise Shot
     6 Monk   : Ten Thousand Stars
     8 Swap   : Zen Archery replaces Precision
     9        : Manyshot
    12        : Improved Critical: Ranged
    15        : Improved Precise Shot
    18        : Precision OR Improved Critical: Thrown
    21 Epic   : Combat Archery
    24 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
    26 Destiny: Holy Strike OR Pierce Damage Reduction: Silver OR Epic Spell Power: Acid
    27 Epic   : Blinding Speed
    28 Destiny: Doubleshot
    29 Destiny: Embodiment of Law OR Deific Warding
    30 Epic   : Improved Martial Arts
    30 Legend : Scion of: Astral Plane OR Plane of Earth
    
     3 Monk   : Path of Inevitable Dominion
    Feat-wise it's pretty much what one would expect. For the first several levels (1-8), uses shuriken exclusively; hence why I don't even take Zen Archery until I swap it in at lvl 8 (or more precisely, just before you level to 9). Then at lvl 9 you can add Manyshot+bows to your combat rotation; at that stage, I think it's a toss-up whether shuriken or bows are better for Ten Thousand Stars (TTS), so feel free to experiment to see which you find more effective.

    Legendary feat: either Astral Plane for +8% Doubleshot +4% Dodge or Plane of Earth for +2d20 acid dmg +20 PRR.

    Okay so let's look at heroic Enhancements:
    Code:
    Enhancements (80 AP)
    
    Ninja Spy (41 AP)
    
    • Basic Ninja Training, Advanced Ninja Training, Shadow Veil, Poisoned Darts, Diversion, Ninja Master
      1. Ninjutsu: Poison Exploit, Stealthy III, Sneak Attack Training
      2. Ninjutsu: Poisoned Soul, Agility I, Sneak Attack Training, Melee/Ranged Power Boost III
      3. Ninjutsu: Impending Doom, Sneak Attack Training, Sting of the Ninja, Dexterity
      4. Ninjutsu: Wave of Despair, Sneak Attack Training, No Mercy III, Dexterity
      5. Deadly Striker, Crippling Strike
    Elf (14 AP)
    • Elven Accuracy, Elven Dexterity, Elven Accuracy II, Elven Dexterity II
      1. Aerenal Weapon Training
      2. Arcanum I
      3. Arcane Archer
    Elf-Arcane Archer (14 AP)
    • Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows
      1. Conjure Arrows, Energy of the Wild III, Corrosive Arrows
      2. Elemental Damage
      3. Soul Magic, Elemental Damage
    Henshin Mystic (11 AP)
    • Riddle of Fire, Ki Bolt, Sounding Staff
      1. Negotiator III, Way of the: Patient Tortoise
      2. Contemplation III
    Leveling Guide
    1. Spy0 Basic Ninja Training; Spy1 Sneak Attack Training; Spy1 Stealthy I
    2. Hen0 Riddle of Fire; Hen1 Way of the: Patient Tortoise; (Bank 1 AP)
    3. Spy1 Ninjutsu: Poison Exploit; Spy0 Advanced Ninja Training; Spy2 Melee/Ranged Power Boost I, II, III
    4. Spy2 Ninjutsu: Poisoned Soul; Spy3 Sting of the Ninja; Hen1 Negotiator I
    5. Hen1 Negotiator II; Hen2 Contemplation I, II, III
    6. Spy0 Shadow Veil; Hen1 Negotiator III; Hen0 Ki Bolt; Hen0 Sounding Staff
    7. Spy1 Stealthy II, III; Spy2 Sneak Attack Training
    8. Spy3 Sneak Attack Training; Spy3 Dexterity
    9. Spy4 Sneak Attack Training; Spy4 Dexterity
    10. Spy3 Ninjutsu: Impending Doom; Spy4 Ninjutsu: Wave of Despair; Spy4 No Mercy I
    11. Elf0 Elven Accuracy; Elf0 Elven Dexterity; (Bank 1 AP)
    12. Spy0 Poisoned Darts; Spy5 Deadly Striker; Spy5 Crippling Strike
    13. Elf0 Elven Accuracy II; Elf0 Elven Dexterity II; Spy2 Agility I
    14. Elf1 Aerenal Weapon Training; Elf2 Arcanum I
    15. Elf3 Arcane Archer
    16. eAA0 Arcane Archer; eAA1 Conjure Arrows; eAA1 Energy of the Wild I
    17. eAA1 Corrosive Arrows; eAA2 Elemental Damage
    18. Spy0 Diversion; eAA0 Morphic Arrows; eAA1 Energy of the Wild II, III
    19. eAA3 Elemental Damage; eAA3 Soul Magic
    20. Spy4 No Mercy II, III; Spy0 Ninja Master
    Like I said, focuses primarily on Ninja: namely tier-5s (+1 crit range, Crippling Strike) and capstone (+1 crit multiplier). Henshin is for Contemplation and free Quick Draw. Elf+AA trees for basic imbues: +5d6 acid, Soul Magic, Morphic Arrows for DR bypass and +1 crit range from Pulverizer.

    Which leads us to the intended ED configuration:
    Code:
    Destiny (24 AP)
    
    Legendary Dreadnought
    
    1. Extra Action Boost III, Attack Boost III, Constitution
    2. Constitution
    3. Critical Damage III, Haste Boost III
    4. (none)
    5. Advancing Blows, Devastating Critical
    6. Master's Blitz, Pulverizer
    Twists of Fate (35 fate points)
    1. Sense Weakness (Tier 4 Fury)
    2. Whirling Wrists (Tier 3 Shiradi)
    3. Pin (Tier 2 Shiradi)
    4. Dance of Flowers (Tier 1 Flowers)
    5. Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal) OR Enlightenment (Tier 1 Flowers)
    Typical mix of LD and ranged DPS Twists. The first must-have Twist is Whirling Wrists, which costs 6 Fate pts; that requires 18 ED levels. Since you have to max out two Primal EDs to take Doubleshot ED feat, you'll earn a lot of Fate pts there anyway. The rest of these Twists form your wishlist; add what you can afford as you work on your EDs.

    Alternate configuration: burst-DPS mode in FotW focused on AA tree.
    Code:
    Enhancements (80 AP)
    
    Elf-Arcane Archer (42 AP)
    
    • Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows, Metalline Arrows, Aligned Arrows, Shadow Arrows, Mystical Archer
      1. Conjure Arrows, Energy of the Wild III, Corrosive Arrows
      2. Force Arrows I, Elemental Damage
      3. Terror Arrows, Soul Magic, Elemental Damage, Dexterity
      4. Banishing Arrows, Paralyzing Arrows, Smiting Arrows, Elemental Damage, Dexterity
      5. Moonbow, Arrow of Slaying, Final Strike, Elemental Damage, Runebow
    Elf (14 AP)
    • Elven Accuracy, Elven Dexterity, Elven Accuracy II, Elven Dexterity II
      1. Aerenal Weapon Training
      2. Arcanum I
      3. Arcane Archer
    Ninja Spy (13 AP)
    • Basic Ninja Training, Advanced Ninja Training, Shadow Veil
      1. Ninjutsu: Impending Doom, Stealthy III
      2. Ninjutsu: Poison Exploit, Melee/Ranged Power Boost III
      3. Sting of the Ninja
    Henshin Mystic (11 AP)
    • Riddle of Fire, Ki Bolt, Sounding Staff
      1. Negotiator III, Way of the: Patient Tortoise
      2. Contemplation III
    Destiny (24 AP) Fury of the Wild
    1. Primal Scream III, Fast Healing III, Constitution
    2. Acute Instincts III, Constitution
    3. (none)
    4. Gird Against Demons II, Sense Weakness III
    5. Fury Eternal
    6. Unbridled Fury
    Twists of Fate (31 fate points)
    1. Grim Precision (Tier 3 Shadowdancer)
    2. Whirling Wrists (Tier 3 Shiradi)
    3. Pin (Tier 2 Shiradi)
    4. Dance of Flowers (Tier 1 Flowers)
    5. Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal) OR Enlightenment (Tier 1 Flowers)
    In FotW, you really want Arrow of Slaying to use with Adrenaline during Manyshot or TTS; the added Doubleshot from the last two AA cores is also a perk while still getting +1 crit multiplier with bows from Shadow Arrows. The downside is your shuriken DPS is lower without Ninja bonuses. Also if you really want to optimize burst DPS, a more heavily MCed build with Sniper Shot is desirable. See jakeelala's thread for builds.

    But for a monkcher that's really focused on FotW's burst DPS, let's move onto the next build...

    FotW Monkcher (monk 12 / rgr 6)

    This build adds ranger 6 for all the usual reasons: namely free ranged feats (Rapid Shot / Precise Shot / Manyshot) and DWS enhancements, the most important being Sniper Shot. It also has access to Spell Focus feat (unlike pure monk), so it can add the Enchantment Specialist twist for higher Paralyzing Arrow DCs. Not a hard requirement, but it's a good idea unless you plan never to use Paralyzing.

    So what to do with the last two levels? This build takes two levels of fighter for the extra feats and Kensei enhancements. But you don't necessarily need those two feats (esp. if you don't have Completionist), so two more monk lvls is an option just for the extra Doubleshot during TTS.
    Code:
    FotW Monkcher
    12/6/2 Monk/Ranger/Fighter
    Lawful Neutral Elf
    
    
    Level Order
    
    1. Ranger          6. Ranger         11. Monk           16. Monk
    2. Ranger          7. Monk           12. Monk           17. Monk
    3. Ranger          8. Monk           13. Monk           18. Monk
    4. Ranger          9. Monk           14. Monk           19. Fighter
    5. Ranger         10. Monk           15. Monk           20. Fighter
    
    
    Stats
                   36pt     Tome     Level Up
                   ----     ----     --------
    Strength         8       +4       4: DEX
    Dexterity       20       +4       8: DEX
    Constitution    14       +4      12: DEX
    Intelligence     8       +4      16: DEX
    Wisdom          16       +4      20: DEX
    Charisma         8       +4      24: DEX
                                     28: DEX
    
    Feats
    
     1        : Point Blank Shot
     3        : Precision
     6        : Quick Draw
     7 Monk   : Zen Archery
     8 Monk   : Shuriken Expertise
     9        : Improved Critical: Ranged
    12        : Spell Focus: Enchantment
    12 Monk   : Ten Thousand Stars
    15        : Improved Precise Shot
    18        : Grandmaster of Forms
    19 Fighter: Improved Critical: Thrown
    20 Swap   : Completionist replaces Precision
    20 Fighter: Precision
    21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
    24 Epic   : Combat Archery
    26 Destiny: Holy Strike OR Pierce Damage Reduction: Silver OR Epic Spell Power: Acid
    27 Epic   : Blinding Speed OR Epic Damage Reduction
    28 Destiny: Doubleshot
    29 Destiny: Embodiment of Law OR Deific Warding
    30 Epic   : Improved Martial Arts
    30 Legend : Scion of: Astral Plane OR Plane of Earth OR Feywild
    
     9 Monk   : Path of Inevitable Dominion
    
     1 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Undead
     5 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
    
    
    Enhancements (80+2 AP)
    
    Elf-Arcane Archer (42 AP)
    
    • Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows, Metalline Arrows, Aligned Arrows, Shadow Arrows, Mystical Archer
      1. Conjure Arrows, Energy of the Wild III, Corrosive Arrows
      2. Force Arrows I, Elemental Damage
      3. Terror Arrows, Soul Magic, Elemental Damage, Dexterity
      4. Banishing Arrows, Paralyzing Arrows, Smiting Arrows, Elemental Damage, Dexterity
      5. Moonbow, Arrow of Slaying, Final Strike, Elemental Damage, Runebow
    Elf (14 AP)
    • Elven Accuracy, Elven Dexterity
      1. Aerenal Weapon Training
      2. Enchantment Lore III, Arcanum I
      3. Arcane Archer
    Deepwood Stalker (11 AP)
    • Far Shot, Sneak Attack, Sniper Shot
      1. Favored Defense I, Stealthy III
      2. Faster Sneaking I, Melee/Range Power Boost III
    Kensei (9 AP)
    • Kensei Focus: Archery
      1. Extra Action Boost I, Haste Boost III
      2. Ascetic Training: Contemplation III
    Ninja Spy (6 AP)
    • Basic Ninja Training, Advanced Ninja Training
      1. Ninjutsu: Poison Exploit, Stealthy III
    Destiny (24 AP) Fury of the Wild
    1. Primal Scream III, Fast Healing III, Constitution
    2. Acute Instincts III, Constitution
    3. (none)
    4. Gird Against Demons II, Sense Weakness III
    5. Fury Eternal
    6. Unbridled Fury
    Twists of Fate (36 fate points)
    1. Grim Precision (Tier 3 Shadowdancer)
    2. Whirling Wrists (Tier 3 Shiradi)
    3. Pin (Tier 2 Shiradi)
    4. School Specialist: Enchantment (Tier 2 Magister)
    5. Dance of Flowers OR Enlightenment (Tier 1 Flowers)
    In order to achieve the AP spread I wanted, I needed two extra racial APs. If you don't have them, then you can shave 1 AP off elf AA tree by taking Improved Elemental Arrows instead of the final tier of Elemental Damage; and another AP from Kensei by dropping Haste Boost and taking another rank of extra action boost instead. Of course, if you have extra racial APs, you can spend them where you like.

    Half-elf with rogue dilettante would also work well: you'd gain +2d6 sneak attack, a rank of heal amp, and human Ranged Power Boost; but lose the +1 DCs from Enchantment Lore. Probably an upgrade, though.

    I'm not gonna bother with a heroic Enhancement leveling order because that's a serious PITA as you'll be resetting APs frequently. Note that you will NOT be using the racial AA tree until epics, since you can't take the last two AA cores until lvls 22/25. So some brief guidelines:
    • For the first several levels (1-8), you play like a typical AA ranger. So follow the leveling guide in my elf ranger thread or Strimtom's build.
    • Level 9 is your first major respec, as that's when you start using shuriken during MS's downtime. So make sure you put at least 6 APs into Ninja for Advanced Ninja Training.
    • By the time you get to lvl 12 (rgr 6 / monk 6), make sure you put 8 APs into Henshin for Contemplation; you'll need the passive ki regen to power TTS. You can also take Shadow Veil at this point if you want; though you can see you'll eventually have to drop it in epics unless you have a ton of extra racial APs.
    • After you take your fighter levels, reset Henshin and move those APs into Kensei too.
    • By lvl 22, your AP spread will be 41 AA / 14 elf / 11 DWS / 9 Kensei / 6 Ninja; you can put that final AP into Shintao for extra heal amp until you need it for the AA capstone.
    Last edited by unbongwah; 01-19-2018 at 01:21 PM.
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    The Mostly Monkcher


    • Race: elf or half-elf for racial AA PrE
    • Class split: monk 18 for +90% Doubleshot from TTS and monk feats, inc. free Grandmaster of Forms. Rgr 1 splash for Bow STR and 1st DWS core (+5m PBS range, +1d6 sneak atk). Cleric splash for Div Might and access to Spell Focus feat(s) (also Emp Heal if you want Rejuv Cocoon).
    • Stats: pretty much everything is important. WIS-based for higher Ranged Power from TTS and higher DCs to AA imbues. STR+CHA for dmg (hence Bow STR + Div Might). DEX 21 for Combat Archery. And CON for not dying, ofc. Higher INT would mean more skill pts and higher Spellcraft, but I had to dump something, so...
    • Feats: the usual ranged feats plus Spell Focus Enchantment to open the +3 DC Twist from Magister.


    Code:
    Mostly Monkcher
    18/1/1 Monk/Cleric/Ranger
    Lawful Good Half-Elf
    
    
    Level Order
    
    1. Ranger          6. Monk           11. Monk           16. Monk
    2. Cleric          7. Monk           12. Monk           17. Monk
    3. Monk            8. Monk           13. Monk           18. Monk
    4. Monk            9. Monk           14. Monk           19. Monk
    5. Monk           10. Monk           15. Monk           20. Monk
    
    
    Stats
                   36pt     Tome     Level Up
                   ----     ----     --------
    Strength        14       +6       4: WIS
    Dexterity       15       +6       8: WIS
    Constitution    14       +6      12: WIS
    Intelligence     8       +6      16: WIS
    Wisdom          16       +6      20: WIS
    Charisma        14       +6      24: WIS
                                     28: WIS
    
    Skills
              R  C  M  M  M  M  M  M  M  M  M  M  M  M  M  M  M  M  M  M
              1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
             ------------------------------------------------------------
    Concent   4        3  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
    Spellcr   2  1           1  ½  1½ ½  1½ ½  1½ ½  1½ 1  2  1  2  1  2  21
    UMD       2     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     11
    Heal      4                                                            4
    Spot      4                                                            4
    Tumble          1                                                      1
             ------------------------------------------------------------
             20  1  3  3  3  3  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  5  5  5  5  5  5
    
    
    Feats
    
     1        : Point Blank Shot
     1 HalfElf: Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue
     1 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Undead
     2 Deity  : Follower of: Silver Flame
     3        : Rapid Shot
     3 Monk   : Zen Archery
     4 Monk   : Precision
     5 Monk   : Path of Harmonious Balance
     6        : Precise Shot
     8 Monk   : Ten Thousand Stars
     9        : Manyshot
    12        : Improved Critical: Ranged
    15        : Spell Focus: Enchantment
    18        : Improved Precise Shot
    21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
    24 Epic   : Combat Archery
    26 Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Fire (or Holy Strike or Guardian Angel)
    27 Epic   : Past Life: Wizard (or Bard or Completionist or Blinding Speed)
    28 Destiny: Doubleshot
    
    
    Enhancements (80 AP)
    
    Half-Elf (14 AP)
    
    
    • Versatile Nature, Human Wisdom, Human Damage Boost
      1. Improved Dilettante: Rogue
      2. Improved Recovery, Improved Dilettante: Rogue
      3. Arcane Archer
    Elf-Arcane Archer (41 AP)
    • Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows, Metalline Arrows, Aligned Arrows, Shadow Arrows, Mystical Archer
      1. Conjure Arrows, Flaming Arrows
      2. Force Arrows III, Inferno Shot III, Elemental Damage
      3. Shattermantle Shot I, Terror Arrows, Soul Magic, Elemental Damage
      4. Banishing Arrows, Paralyzing Arrows, Smiting Arrows, Elemental Damage
      5. Moonbow, Arrow of Slaying, Elemental Damage, Runebow
    Deepwood Stalker (1 AP)
    • Far Shot
    Ninja Spy (13 AP)
    • Basic Ninja Training, Advanced Ninja Training, Shadow Veil
      1. Stealthy III, Sneak Attack Training, Acrobatic I
      2. Sneak Attack Training
      3. Sneak Attack Training
    Henshin Mystic (3 AP)
    • Riddle of Fire
      1. Way of the: Patient Tortoise
    Warpriest (4 AP)
    • Smite Foe
      1. Divine Might III
    Divine Disciple (4 AP)
    • Emissary: Light
      1. Spellpower: Universal III
    Destiny (24 AP) Divine Crusader
    1. Bane of Undeath, Interrogation, Purge the Wicked
    2. Consecration III, Flames of Purity I
    3. Sacred Ground, Empyrean Magic, Blessed Blades
    4. No Regret, Crusade
    5. Castigation, Celestial Champion
    6. Celestial Bombardment III
    Twists of Fate (31 fate points)
    1. Haste Boost (Tier 3 Dreadnought)
    2. Otto's Whistler (Tier 3 Shiradi)
    3. Pin (Tier 2 Shiradi)
    4. School Specialist: Enchantment (Tier 2 Magister)
    I specced for fire imbues because they benefit from the +10 Fire Spellpower I pick up from Warpriest + Henshin; likewise I combined with Divine Crusader for more fire oomph. Downside is fire isn't ideal for devils, so I maxed out Force Arrows as well; alternatively, respec for a different element. I went cleric instead of FvS for +9 Universal Spellpower from Divine Disciple; downside is I don't have enough APs to also take both Shadow Veil and Contemplation, so I ditched the latter. This configuration also provides +6d6 sneak atks: 3d6 Ninja, 2d6 HE rog dilly, 1d6 DWS.

    TBH, I don't know how much WIS you need to hit viable Paralyzing Arrow DCs. With a bit of effort, you could squeeze in up to +11 WIS (max base WIS 18, 2 from AA, 1 from Ninja, 6 from Div Crusader ED); but you have to sacrifice a significant chunk of dmg to do so. Gear-wise, Band Immaterial looks like your best option for boosting your Enchant DCs.

    The ShuriShot


    Just a repost of the build I originally put in this thread.

    Depending on how you look at it, this is either a shuriken build with Manyshot or a monkcher with Shuriken Expertise. The idea was to stay as close to pure monk as possible to max out 10K Stars' Doubleshot; but I found I really wanted rgr 2 splash for free Rapid Shot + Imp Weap Finesse to get DEX to bow dmg. [Elf w/Grace would also work, but pure monk is a bit feat-starved.] I also wanted to squeeze in Harper for Know the Angles + extra Ranged Power, but that would mean ditching Henshin and I'm not sure if I can afford to give up Contemplation.

    Main downside vs a "real" (halfling) shuriken build is I don't get +1 crit range from Master Thrower; also a pure shuriken build would probably look into more Doubleshot / Ranged Power from DWS, Harper, and/or Mechanic.
    Code:
    ShuriShot
    18/2 Monk/Ranger
    Lawful Neutral Half-Elf
    
    
    Level Order
    
    1. Ranger          6. Monk           11. Monk           16. Monk
    2. Monk            7. Monk           12. Monk           17. Monk
    3. Monk            8. Ranger         13. Monk           18. Monk
    4. Monk            9. Monk           14. Monk           19. Monk
    5. Monk           10. Monk           15. Monk           20. Monk
    
    
    Stats
                   36pt     Tome     Level Up
                   ----     ----     --------
    Strength         8       +4       4: DEX
    Dexterity       18       +4       8: DEX
    Constitution    16       +4      12: DEX
    Intelligence     8       +4      16: DEX
    Wisdom          16       +4      20: DEX
    Charisma         8       +4      24: DEX
                                     28: DEX
    
    Skills
              R  M  M  M  M  M  M  R  M  M  M  M  M  M  M  M  M  M  M  M
              1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
             ------------------------------------------------------------
    Concent   4  1  1  1  1  1  1     1  1  1  2  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
    Spot      4                                   1  1  2  2     2     2  14
    Search    4                    6                          1     1     12
    Spellcr   1        1     1  ½     ½  1½ ½  1     1     1     1     1  11
    UMD       2     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     11
    Jump      2                                                            2
    Balance      1                                                         1
    Tumble       1                                                         1
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             20  3  3  3  3  3  4  6  4  4  4  4  4  4  5  5  5  5  5  5
    
    
    Feats
    
     1        : Point Blank Shot
     1 HalfElf: Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue
     1 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Undead
     2 Monk   : Shuriken Expertise
     3        : Quick Draw
     3 Monk   : Zen Archery
     4 Monk   : Path of Harmonious Balance
     6        : Precise Shot
     7 Monk   : Ten Thousand Stars
     9        : Manyshot
    12        : Improved Critical: Ranged
    15        : Improved Precise Shot
    18        : Precision
    21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
    24 Epic   : Combat Archery
    26 Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Electricity
    27 Epic   : Improved Critical: Thrown
    28 Destiny: Doubleshot
    
    
    Enhancements (80 AP)
    
    Half-Elf (14 AP)
    
    
    • Versatile Nature, Elven Dexterity, Human Damage Boost, Elven Dexterity
      1. Improved Dilettante: Rogue
      2. Improved Dilettante: Rogue
      3. Arcane Archer
    Elf-Arcane Archer (41 AP)
    • Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows, Metalline Arrows, Aligned Arrows, Shadow Arrows, Mystical Archer
      1. Conjure Arrows, Energy of the Wild III, Shock Arrows
      2. Force Arrows III, Elemental Damage
      3. Terror Arrows, Soul Magic, Elemental Damage, Dexterity
      4. Banishing Arrows, Paralyzing Arrows, Smiting Arrows, Elemental Damage
      5. Moonbow, Arrow of Slaying, Improved Elemental Arrows, Runebow
    Ninja Spy (11 AP)
    • Basic Ninja Training, Advanced Ninja Training, Shadow Veil
      1. Stealthy III, Sneak Attack Training
      2. Sneak Attack Training, Agility I
    Henshin Mystic (8 AP)
    • Riddle of Fire
      1. Static Charge, Way of the: Patient Tortoise
      2. Contemplation III
    Deepwood Stalker (6 AP)
    • Far Shot
      1. Favored Defense I, Stealthy III
      2. Improved Weapon Finesse
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    EDIT (06/23/16): Okay, so let's look at an updated version of one of my personal builds which is influenced by both Sestra's original and jakeelala's thread. We'll go over the rationale behind my build decisions as we go.
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    Shadow Monkcher
    12/6/2 Monk/Ranger/Fighter
    Lawful Neutral Elf
    
    
    Level Order
    
    1. Ranger          6. Ranger         11. Monk           16. Monk
    2. Monk            7. Ranger         12. Monk           17. Monk
    3. Monk            8. Ranger         13. Monk           18. Monk
    4. Monk            9. Ranger         14. Monk           19. Fighter
    5. Ranger         10. Monk           15. Monk           20. Fighter
    
    
    Stats
                   32pt     Tome     Level Up
                   ----     ----     --------
    Strength         8                4: DEX
    Dexterity       20                8: DEX
    Constitution    12               12: DEX
    Intelligence     8       +2      16: DEX
    Wisdom          16               20: DEX
    Charisma         8               24: DEX
                                     28: DEX
    
    Skills
              R  M  M  M  R  R  R  R  R  M  M  M  M  M  M  M  M  M  F  F
              1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
             ------------------------------------------------------------
    Concent   4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
    Hide      4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1        21
    Move Si   4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1        21
    Spellcr   2           1  1  1     1  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½           10
    Spot      4                 1  3  1                          1        10
             ------------------------------------------------------------
             20  3  3  3  5  5  6  6  6  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  4  2  2
    Max DEX for to-hit, dmg, and extra shuriken procs; high WIS for higher DCs on Paralyzing Arrows and more Ranged Power from Ten Thousand Stars (TTS); rest into CON. As you'll see, I skip Harper (Know the Angles); this saves APs which lets me focus on other PrEs and lets me dump-stat INT. The downside is figuring out which skills to prioritize: I went with Concentration (boosts ki which powers TTS), stealth, and Spellcraft (boosts Spellpower which affects AA elemental imbues), with leftover pts into Spot.
    Code:
    Feats
    
     1        : Point Blank Shot
     1 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Undead
     2 Monk   : Zen Archery
     3        : Quick Draw
     3 Monk   : Shuriken Expertise
     4 Monk   : Path of Harmonious Balance
     6        : Least Dragonmark: Shadow
     8 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
     9        : Improved Critical: Ranged
    12        : Extend Spell
    12 Monk   : Ten Thousand Stars
    15        : Improved Precise Shot
    18        : Grandmaster of Forms
    19 Fighter: Precision
    20 Fighter: Improved Critical: Thrown
    21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
    24 Epic   : Combat Archery
    26 Destiny: Holy Strike OR Pierce Damage Reduction: Cold Iron
    27 Epic   : Blinding Speed
    28 Destiny: Doubleshot
    29 Destiny: Embodiment of Law
    30 Epic   : Epic Damage Reduction
    30 Swap   : Spell Focus: Enchantment replaces Extend Spell
    30 Legend : Scion of: Astral Plane OR Ethereal Plane
    Fairly typical mix of ranged feats for a bow+shuriken hybrid monk, but I use the extra feats from ftr to enable me to add Shadow DM + Extend spell; the latter is traded in epics for Spell Focus:Enchantment. As you'll see later, this opens the Magister DC Twist to boost Enchantment DCs further. Based on the White Feather thread, it looks like base WIS 16 is sufficient to hit ~75% success rate with Paralyzing Arrows in epics, allowing you to put level-ups into DEX for more dmg; it also means you won't need a DEX tome to hit 21 for Combat Archery. Remember that Paralyzing will apply to every arrow, so it isn't necessary to hit a no-fail DC, IMHO.

    Next up are Enhancements, which I'll divide into two sections: one configuration which you use for heroics; and one which you use for lvls 25+, when you're able to take the racial AA capstone.

    Heroic leveling guide:
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    Enhancements (80 AP)
    
    Deepwood Stalker (40 AP)
    
    
    • Far Shot, Sneak Attack, Sniper Shot
      1. Favored Defense I, Stealthy III
      2. Improved Weapon Finesse, Melee/Range Power Boost III
      3. Thrill of the Hunt III, Favored Hunter III, Aimed Shot, Dexterity
      4. Killer III, Merciful Shot, Leg Shot, Dexterity
      5. Extra Favored Enemy: Giant, Heavy Draw, Strikes Like Lightning, Head Shot, Improved Archer's Focus
    Arcane Archer (17 AP)
    • Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows, Metalline Arrows
      1. Conjure Arrows, Energy of the Wild III, Shock Arrows
      2. Elemental Damage
      3. Terror Arrows, Soul Magic, Elemental Damage
    Elf (12 AP)
    • Elven Accuracy, Elven Dexterity
      1. Phiarlan Dragonmark Focus III, Aerenal Weapon Training
      2. Lesser Dragonmark of Shadow
      3. Greater Dragonmark of Shadow
    Ninja Spy (11 AP)
    • Basic Ninja Training, Advanced Ninja Training, Shadow Veil
      1. Stealthy III, Sneak Attack Training, Acrobatic I
      2. Sneak Attack Training
    Leveling Guide
    1. DS0 Far Shot; DS1 Stealthy I, II, III
    2. Spy0 Basic Ninja Training; Spy1 Sneak Attack Training; Spy1 Acrobatic I
    3. Spy1 Stealthy I; Elf0 Elven Accuracy; Elf1 Aerenal Weapon Training
    4. Spy0 Advanced Ninja Training; AA0 Arcane Archer; AA1 Conjure Arrows
    5. DS1 Favored Defense I; DS2 Improved Weapon Finesse; Elf0 Elven Dexterity
    6. Elf1 Phiarlan Dragonmark Focus I, II, III
    7. Elf2 Lesser Dragonmark of Shadow; Elf3 Greater Dragonmark of Shadow; DS0 Sneak Attack
    8. DS2 Melee/Range Power Boost I, II, III; DS3 Thrill of the Hunt I
    9. DS0 Sniper Shot; DS3 Thrill of the Hunt II, III
    10. DS3 Aimed Shot; DS3 Dexterity; DS3 Favored Hunter I
    11. DS3 Favored Hunter II; DS4 Killer I, II, III
    12. Reset Elf
      • Ninja Spy: Shadow Veil
        1. Stealthy III
        2. Sneak Attack Training
      • Deepwood Stalker
        1. (none)
        2. (none)
        3. Favored Hunter III
        4. Merciful Shot, Leg Shot, Dexterity
        5. Strikes Like Lightning, Improved Archer's Focus
    13. DS5 Heavy Draw; DS5 Head Shot
    14. DS5 Extra Favored Enemy: Giant; AA1 Shock Arrows
    15. AA0 Morphic Arrows; AA2 Elemental Damage; Elf0 Elven Accuracy
    16. Elf1 Phiarlan Dragonmark Focus I, II, III
    17. Elf1 Aerenal Weapon Training; Elf2 Lesser Dragonmark of Shadow
    18. Elf0 Elven Dexterity; Elf3 Greater Dragonmark of Shadow; AA1 Energy of the Wild I
    19. AA1 Energy of the Wild II, III; AA3 Soul Magic; AA0 Metalline Arrows
    20. AA3 Terror Arrows; AA3 Elemental Damage
    I personally feel like T5 DWS is better for heroics than T5 AA; but the downside to this approach is you won't get Paralyzing Arrows until epics (see below). So if that's a priority, swap AA / DWS point spreads around.

    Epic / endgame configuration:
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    Enhancements (80 AP)
    
    Elf-Arcane Archer (42 AP)
    
    
    • Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows, Metalline Arrows, Aligned Arrows, Shadow Arrows, Mystical Archer
      1. Conjure Arrows, Energy of the Wild III, Shock Arrows
      2. Force Arrows III, Elemental Damage
      3. Terror Arrows, Soul Magic, Elemental Damage
      4. Banishing Arrows, Paralyzing Arrows, Smiting Arrows, Elemental Damage
      5. Moonbow, Arrow of Slaying, Final Strike, Elemental Damage, Runebow
    Elf (16 AP)
    • Elven Accuracy, Elven Dexterity
      1. Phiarlan Dragonmark Focus III
      2. Lesser Dragonmark of Shadow, Arcanum I
      3. Greater Dragonmark of Shadow, Arcane Archer
    Deepwood Stalker (11 AP)
    • Far Shot, Sneak Attack, Sniper Shot
      1. Favored Defense I, Stealthy III
      2. Improved Weapon Finesse, Melee/Range Power Boost III
    Ninja Spy (11 AP)
    • Basic Ninja Training, Advanced Ninja Training, Shadow Veil
      1. Stealthy III, Sneak Attack Training, Acrobatic I
      2. Sneak Attack Training
    Finally, your ED: like jakeelala's builds, this focuses on burst DPS via FotW; Adrenaline + Arrow of Slaying or Sniper Shot is still quite effective, particularly while TTS or Manyshot is active. The listed Twists are a long-term goal; they can be added gradually as you level your EDs and gain more Fate pts.
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    Destiny (24 AP)
    
    Fury of the Wild
    
    
    1. Primal Scream III, Boulder Toss III, Fast Healing III
    2. Acute Instincts III, Damage Reduction III
    3. (none)
    4. Gird Against Demons I, Sense Weakness III
    5. Fury Eternal
    6. Unbridled Fury
    Twists of Fate (27 fate points)
    1. Whirling Wrists (Tier 3 Shiradi)
    2. School Specialist: Enchantment (Tier 2 Magister)
    3. Pin (Tier 2 Shiradi)
    4. Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal)
    5. Enlightenment (Tier 1 Flowers)
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    I was planning to tr my current archer into a pure 20 elf monk archer. My buddy just did an iconic tr though, so i have some pressure to reincarnate into a sun elf version. Not ideal but what can ya do.

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    Just curious about this part...

    1 level Ranger for Bow Strength + 1st DWS core (+5m PBS range, +1d6 sneak atk).

    Wouldn't going Wis/Dex based be a good option using Elf Grace (Aerenal Grace) to use Dexterity - Mind you there are a lot more ways to boost strength, but the Dexterity would also open up for Dodge and Reflex saves

    Also even simply going for the Elf AA means you need to spend 14 AP minimum in the Elf tree, spending 7 of those 14 in the Elf Core can grant you +10 Meters Point Blank, +2 Dexterity and +6% To hit - These are points you need to spend anyway. Is the DWS +5 meters to bring the total to potentially 15 meters really needed?

    Instead of 1 Ranger, go 1 rogue - opens up 1d6 sneak attack and possible options for traps/locks. Mechanic 1st Core adds 5 meters to both PBS and Sneak Attack Range

    Instead of Cleric for Divine might 1 level of wizard - Access to Enchantment Focus Feat as a free feat (helps with Paralyzing Arrows). Archmage specialization Hypnotism for 1 SP - used to get a group debuff of -3 will save - or +3 to your Paralyzing Arrow DCs. Hypnotism for 1 SP cost is easily negated by the AA Temp SP procs.

    I realize going Rogue/Wizard does decrease your strength contribution and may need to use Grace to compensate for the loss of Bow Strength, but the ability to strengthen Paralyzing arrow and increase sneak attack range, added defense/saves may help compensate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    TBH, I don't know how much WIS you need to hit viable Paralyzing Arrow DCs. With a bit of effort, you could squeeze in up to +11 WIS (max base WIS 18, 2 from AA, 1 from Ninja, 6 from Div Crusader ED); but you have to sacrifice a significant chunk of dmg to do so. Gear-wise, Band Immaterial looks like your best option for boosting your Enchant DCs.
    With 44 Wisdom and and all of Terror Arrows, Paralysing Arrows, Banishing Arrows, and Smiting Arrows taken (total +4 bonus to the DCs) approximately 1 hit out of 5 would paralyse the target in Lines of Supply on EE. Unless my math-fu fails me that's a DC of 41.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoach View Post
    Wouldn't going Wis/Dex based be a good option using Elf Grace (Aerenal Grace) to use Dexterity - Mind you there are a lot more ways to boost strength, but the Dexterity would also open up for Dodge and Reflex saves
    DEX has nothing to do with your Dodge bonus, apart from opening up the Dodge feat chain. And while higher Reflex saves would be nice, I do have Imp Evasion, so it's less important.

    Is DEX-based an option? Sure. Is it better? That depends on what you define as "better." STR+Div Might will definitely hit higher dmg mod than just DEX. You could in theory go DEX+INT or just INT-based dmg with Harper, but that gets into another issue with this build: AP shortage. You need a minimum of 14 APs racial to open the AA tree and 41 APs AA for capstone, leaving you with 25 APs to spread as you see fit. My approach gets you +10 Fire Spell Power, +9 Universal Spell Power, Div Might, +4d6 SAs, +5m PBS range, Shadow Veil, extra HPs & Concentration from Patient Tortoise. Unfortunately, I ditched Contemplation, counting on ninja stealth and Ocean stance for ki regen when I need it.

    What's your proposed alternative?
    Instead of 1 Ranger, go 1 rogue - opens up 1d6 sneak attack and possible options for traps/locks. Mechanic 1st Core adds 5 meters to both PBS and Sneak Attack Range
    True, it becomes a wash between DWS and Mechanic if you're not going STR-based. But splashing rog instead of rgr messes up feat progression, because you lose 1 BAB. And as you can see, I dumped INT so I wouldn't have skill pts to spare for traps anyway. But again, feel free to come up with an alternative approach.
    Archmage specialization Hypnotism for 1 SP - used to get a group debuff of -3 will save - or +3 to your Paralyzing Arrow DCs. Hypnotism for 1 SP cost is easily negated by the AA Temp SP procs.
    Interesting idea, although in practice I can think of two issues: namely your arrows will have a much longer range than Hypnotism does and you're losing DPS every time you pause to cast Hypno, esp. w/out Quicken. EDIT: too bad there's no way to add Bewildering to a bow.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnie View Post
    Unless my math-fu fails me that's a DC of 41.
    I think I saw someone claim they hit DC 70 w/Paralyzing Arrows, but they didn't provide breakout of how they hit that DC.

    My build should be able to pick up +4 DCs from SF:Enchant + Magister Twist, +7 from Band Immaterial, +3 from AA bonuses, +whatever WIS mod ends up being. If you hit WIS 62, that's DC 60, excluding any bard PLs or the like. Probably more I'm forgetting, though.
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    This may seem like a stupid question but for the shurishot build do you use a shuriken or bow? The reason I ask is because you still have us take conjure arrows from arcane archer line and that would make me think we use a bow but you also take shuriken expertise and the name of the build is shurishot. Sorry but I am new and confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soraksis View Post
    This may seem like a stupid question but for the shurishot build do you use a shuriken or bow? The reason I ask is because you still have us take conjure arrows from arcane archer line and that would make me think we use a bow but you also take shuriken expertise and the name of the build is shurishot. Sorry but I am new and confused.
    Probably shuriken most of the time and bow only udring manyshot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soraksis View Post
    This may seem like a stupid question but for the shurishot build do you use a shuriken or bow?
    Bows with Manyshot; either weapon with 10K Stars; shurikens the rest of the time.
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    Have you looked at Mechanic at all? I don't know if it would be good enough to lose AA cores, but I've been playing with a Mech t5 Monkcher build that looks something like this:
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    Shuriken/Bow build
    11/5/4 Monk/Rogue/Ranger
    Halfling
    
    
    Level Order
    
    1. Ranger          6. Rogue          11. Monk           16. Monk
    2. Ranger          7. Rogue          12. Monk           17. Monk
    3. Ranger          8. Rogue          13. Monk           18. Monk
    4. Ranger          9. Rogue          14. Monk           19. Monk
    5. Rogue          10. Monk           15. Monk           20. Monk
    
    
    Stats
                   32pt     34pt     36pt     Level Up
                   ----     ----     ----     --------
    Strength         6        6        6       4: DEX
    Dexterity       20       20       20       8: DEX
    Constitution    16       16       16      12: DEX
    Intelligence     8        8        8      16: DEX
    Wisdom          14       15       16      20: DEX
    Charisma         8        8        8      24: DEX
                                              28: DEX
    
    Skills
             Rn Rn Rn Rn Rg Rg Rg Rg Rg Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo Mo
              1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
             ------------------------------------------------------------
    Hide      4  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
    Spellcr   2  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  11½
             ------------------------------------------------------------
              8  2  2  2  2  2  2  2  2  2  2  2  2  2  2  2  2  2  2  2
             20  5  5  5  7  7  7  7  7  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3
    
    
    Feats
    
     1        : Point Blank Shot
     1 Ranger :
     3        : Quick Draw
     6        : Zen Archery
     9        : Manyshot
    10 Monk   : Dodge
    11 Monk   : Mobility
    12        : Improved Critical: Ranged
    12 Monk   : Path of Harmonious Balance
    15        : Shuriken Expertise
    15 Monk   : Ten Thousand Stars
    18        : Improved Precise Shot
    21 Epic   : Combat Archery
    24 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
    26 Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Electricity
    27 Epic   : Blinding Speed
    28 Destiny: Doubleshot
    29 Destiny: Harbinger of Chaos
    30 Epic   : Wellspring of Power
    30 Legend : Scion of: Plane of Air
    
    
    Spells
    
    Ranger
    
    1. Jump
    Enhancements (80 AP) Mechanic (34 AP)
    • Arbalester, Tanglefoot
      1. Sharpshooter, Thunderstone II
      2. Sharpshooter, Skill Boost III
      3. Sharpshooter, Wracking Shot III, Ooze Flask II, Use Magical Device III, Dexterity
      4. Sharpshooter, Fletching III, Dexterity
      5. Sniper, Mechanical Reloader
    Arcane Archer (24 AP)
    • Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows
      1. Conjure Arrows, Shock Arrows
      2. Force Arrows III, Elemental Damage
      3. Terror Arrows, Elemental Damage, Dexterity
      4. Paralyzing Arrows, Elemental Damage
    Halfling (16 AP)
    • Halfling Luck, Dexterity, Halfling Luck II, Dexterity II
      1. Acrobatic II, Cunning III
      2. Halfling Guile
      3. Skillful Thrower, Halfling Guile
      4. Master Thrower
    Ninja Spy (6 AP)
    • Basic Ninja Training, Advanced Ninja Training
      1. Sneak Attack Training, Faster Sneaking I
    Destiny (24 AP) Shiradi Champion
    1. Healing Spring III, Dexterity
    2. Prism, Pin I, Dexterity
    3. Rainbow, Whirling Wrists III
    4. Double Rainbow
    5. Stand and Deliver, Nerve Venom III
    6. Audience with the Queen
    Twists of Fate (26 fate points)
    1. Stormrage (Tier 4 Primal)
    2. Haste Boost (Tier 3 Dreadnought)
    3. Dexterity (Tier 1 Flowers)
    4. Dexterity (Tier 1 Shadowdancer)
    Not sure if using shurikens is even worth it, but the extra throw chance it nice. Unfortunately, I have no dex-to-damage for bows, so I would be using shurikens all the time except for manyshot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ligraph View Post
    Have you looked at Mechanic at all?
    I have. On a monkcher most of my APs are chewed up with racial AA (55 APs at a minimum); that constrains my other options. You have to spend at least 6 APs in Ninja for the 2nd core, which gives you the extra shuriken proc chance; and I really like Shadow Veil, so that's at least 11 APs.

    For a pure shuriken build, some sort of Ninja / Mechanic / DWS combo might be best, but...well, these aren't pure shuriken builds.
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    Your first build is very close to my old Monkcher ( https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...nd-experiences ). I did two more lives with Arti splash instead of Clr/FvS.

    In the end I decided to drop STR/DM, and go down the Elven grace route. I wanted to consolidate stats as much as possible to get the most benefit from the new lootgen items, and get access to Elven DM since avoidance is more important than ever. The damage difference is somewhat mitigated by Elves getting +4 to hit/dam, and if you really want you can switch the DM investment from Elf tree for KtA. I found it to be a much more survivable build, despite the lower CON, and much easier to gear with comparable damage.

    Just for reference:

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    Level Order
    
    1. Fighter . . . . 6. Monk. . . . . .11. Monk. . . . . .16. Wizard
    2. Monk . . . . . .7. Monk . . . . . 12. Monk . . . . . 17. Monk
    3. Monk . . . . . .8. Monk . . . . . 13. Monk . . . . . 18. Monk
    4. Monk . . . . . .9. Monk . . . . . 14. Monk . . . . . 19. Monk
    5. Monk . . . . . 10. Monk . . . . . 15. Monk . . . . . 20. Monk
    
    
    Stats
    . . . . . . . .36pt . . Tome . . Level Up
    . . . . . . . .---- . . ---- . . --------
    Strength. . . . .8. . . .+6. . . .4: WIS
    Dexterity . . . 20. . . .+6. . . .8: WIS
    Constitution. . 10. . . .+6. . . 12: WIS
    Intelligence. . .8. . . .+6. . . 16: WIS
    Wisdom. . . . . 18. . . .+7. . . 20: WIS
    Charisma. . . . .8. . . .+6. . . 24: WIS
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .28: WIS
    
    Skills
    . . . . . F .M .M .M .M .M .M .M .M .M .M .M .M .M .M .W. M. M. M. M
    . . . . . 1 .2 .3 .4 .5 .6 .7 .8 .9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
    . . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
    Concent . . .3 .3 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 . . 2. 1. 1. 1. 23
    Perform . 1 . . . . . . . . ½. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. ½. . .½ .½ .½ .½ .11
    UMD . . . 1 . . . .1 .1 .1 .1 .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ . . 1. ½. ½. . .11
    Heal. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ½. . . . 1. 1.  .4
    Spellcr . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3. . . . . . . .3
    Tumble. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1. . . . . . . . . 1
    . . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
    . . . . . 4 .3 .3 .3 .3 .3 .4 .4 .4 .4 .4 .4 .4 .4 .5 .3. 5. 5. 5. 5
    
    
    Feats
    
    .1. . . . : Rapid Shot
    .1 Fighter: Point Blank Shot
    .2 Monk . : Zen Archery
    .3. . . . : Precise Shot
    .3 Monk . : Precision
    .4 Monk . : Path of Harmonious Balance
    .6. . . . : Least Dragonmark: Shadow
    .7 Monk . : Ten Thousand Stars
    .9. . . . : Manyshot
    12. . . . : Improved Critical: Ranged
    15. . . . : Improved Precise Shot
    16 Wizard : Spell Focus: Enchantment
    18. . . . : Extend Spell
    21 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
    24 Epic . : Combat Archery
    26 Destiny: Epic Spellpower: Sonic
    27 Epic . : Blinding Speed
    28 Destiny: Doubleshot
    29 Destiny: Elusive Target
    30 Epic . : Great Ability: Wisdom
    30 Legend : Scion of: Feywild
    
    
    Spells
    
    Wizard
    
    1. Jump, Protection from Evil, Shield
    Enhancements (80 AP) Elf-Arcane Archer (41 AP)
    • Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows, Metalline Arrows, Aligned Arrows, Shadow Arrows, Mystical Archer
      1. Conjure Arrows, Energy of the Wild I, Corrosive Arrows
      2. Force Arrows III, Elemental Damage
      3. Terror Arrows, Soul Magic, Elemental Damage, Wisdom
      4. Banishing Arrows, Paralyzing Arrows, Smiting Arrows, Elemental Damage, Wisdom
      5. Moonbow, Arrow of Slaying, Improved Elemental Arrows, Runebow
    Elf (27 AP)
    • Elven Accuracy
      1. Phiarlan Dragonmark Focus III, Aerenal Weapon Training
      2. Lesser Dragonmark of Shadow, Enchantment Lore III, Aerenal Weapon Training, Arcanum I
      3. Greater Dragonmark of Shadow, Aerenal Weapon Training, Arcane Archer
      4. Aerenal Grace, Aerenal Weapon Training, Skill
    Ninja Spy (11 AP)
    • Basic Ninja Training, Advanced Ninja Training, Shadow Veil
      1. Stealthy III, Acrobatic III
      2. Agility II
    Shintao (1 AP)
    • Bastion of Purity
    And since you're bound to notice it: Great Wisdom is a filler since I happened to be uneven. Otherwise I'd be better off dropping Enchantment lore, and take GSF: Enchantment and +1 WIS from NS with 1 AP to spare.
    Last edited by giftie; 01-24-2016 at 10:48 PM.

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    Default Coldpint 18 Monk / 2 Rgr

    My main character (Sarlona) is Coldpint, lvl 18 Elf Monk / Ranger 2, running FoTW of course. After hitting 23, fully upgraded pinion is the only weapon ever used.

    Original goal was to have fastest thing on two legs (monk 18 + tempest speed boost), since soloing raids involves a lot of kiting, but I eventually dropped it as overkill. Was fun for a bit though esp with speedy sneaking he looked like a freak flying around.

    Basic idea is to max dex (evasion saves, and damage from elf tree) and wis (originally for to-hit and for 10k stars, but now also for new para arrows which are surprisingly effective. Great will save probably makes a bigger impact on survivability than I realize) I maxxed out acid arrows in the tree, for when para is not effective. Otherwise he's usually using shadow arrows for doubleshot, occasionally switching to morph for skellies or good to break DR (sometimes I don't bother as the big damage is still in the crits and losing the extra arrows is a shame)

    Str is dump stat no point investing here.

    At first I thought the AA archer updates had nerfed him, but he is stronger than ever now that I got doubleshot worked out. Previously picked up the MoD quiver thinking I'd try it on a pure ranger life but with u29 gear I realized it is usable now despite -50 concentration.

    Most recent change I did was to pick up Contemplation from Henshin Mystic; together with grandmaster ocean, +2 passive ki means I can make moderate use of leap and still have enough Ki to fire off 10K stars whenever it's off timer (with +1 passive Ki I found I was often waiting for ki; if you are doing this then you are losing the main benefit of the basic build)

    Sometimes I'll hit a divine power clicky and switch to earth stance right before hitting manyshot, but usually I don't bother stuff drops fast so I just stay in ocean for the extra wis/arrows, ki, and speed, which I'm addicted to and which has made other chars a bit painful to play.

    Couple other things about the build: Mana is just for cocoon, and it's pretty much endless from 3 things in AA tree. Shrines are used only to restore action boosts, or occasionally adrenaline.

    Gear wise he's currently wearing upgraded flawless black dragon robe, epic belt thoughtful remembrance, epic four eyes, lootgen stuff to max deadly, heal, wisdom, dex, concentration. Might need to add accuracy for LE.

    At cap still wearing both drow seal rings for improved deception and hamstring. These are highly under-rated for ranged combat.

    When I TR I'll look hard at other ways of getting the ranged power boost, maybe by twisting it in and dropping ranger 2 for Ftr 2 (1 more feat) or from KoTC, assassin or something but ranger 2 prob best bet. Still a few raid items could improve my character but I'm satisfied with his power and farming for alts instead at this point. Funny thing anytime I start thinking my PM is godlike I run my archer through the same content and he flies through.

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    Third post is updated with elf monk 12 / rgr 6 / ftr 2 build with Shadow DM because glowing tattoos are cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    Third post is updated with elf monk 12 / rgr 6 / ftr 2 build with Shadow DM because glowing tattoos are cool.
    Hi Unbongwah.

    I'd like to try a variant on your build #3, to achieve the following :
    * I'm looking to pick up a fighter PL, so it has to have more fighter levels than monk or ranger
    * I would like to try out the new ranged options in the kensai tree, so it has to invest heavily there, most likely T5
    * I don't mind having shurikens as a fall-back, but I'd rather not build around using them every time TTS and Manyshot are on CD, so if it's viable I'd rather generally just use bows
    * It doesn't have to be an LE end game build, it just has to be strong for levelling, I'd love something EE solo capable but mostly I play with a couple of other RL mates

    (I'm basically just filling in time until the monk pass now that it's been delayed again and will almost definitely ER/TR as soon as it comes out to try all the new shinies....)

    I have the following :
    Tomes : +7 supreme
    PL's : 3 x monk, 1 x Brace, 1 x Fort, 1 x CotQ
    Gear : most quest gear from recent updates but little to no raid gear, some CC stuff

    I'm thinking paralyzing arrows for CC, and force and frost arrows for dps (I'll likely wear frozen tunics for the freezing proc anyway so I'll have the cold spellpower for free) and active attacks from DWS as well as the T5 kensai ones to make up for missing out on T5 AA.
    Lots of feats so grab everything with ranged power and dodge in addition to all the usual suspects (maybe the dodge will somewhat make up for losing Shadow Veil), maybe Deflect Arrows instead of Spring Attack which is only for dodge anyway.
    For better or for worse, I've already TR'd into an Elf with first few levels as monk and a couple as ranger (a mate I play with was ready to go) but I'm not above using a +x heart if really needed to fix it up

    Maybe something like this?

    Kensei Archer
    8/6/6 Fighter/Ranger/Monk
    Lawful Good Elf

    Level Order

    1. Monk 6. Ranger 11. Monk 16. Fighter
    2. Monk 7. Ranger 12. Monk 17. Fighter
    3. Monk 8. Ranger 13. Fighter 18. Fighter
    4. Ranger 9. Ranger 14. Fighter 19. Fighter
    5. Ranger 10. Monk 15. Fighter 20. Fighter

    Stats
    36pt Tome Level Up
    ---- ---- --------
    Strength 8 +7 4: WIS
    Dexterity 18 +7 8: WIS
    Constitution 14 +7 12: WIS
    Intelligence 8 +7 16: WIS
    Wisdom 18 +7 20: WIS
    Charisma 8 +7 24: WIS
    28: WIS

    Feats

    1 : Point Blank Shot
    1 Monk : Dodge
    2 Monk : Zen Archery
    3 : Precision
    3 Monk : Path of Inevitable Dominion
    4 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Undead
    6 : Mobility
    8 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
    9 : Improved Critical: Ranged
    12 : Master of Forms
    12 Monk : Ten Thousand Stars
    13 Fighter: Improved Precise Shot
    14 Fighter: Weapon Focus: Ranged
    15 : Shot on the Run
    16 Fighter: Weapon Specialization: Ranged
    18 : Grandmaster of Forms
    18 Fighter: Spring Attack
    20 Fighter: Greater Weapon Focus: Ranged
    21 Epic : Overwhelming Critical
    24 Epic : Combat Archery
    26 Destiny: Guardian Angel
    27 Epic : Blinding Speed
    28 Destiny: Doubleshot
    29 Destiny: Holy Strike
    30 Epic : Epic Reflexes
    30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea

    Enhancements (80 AP)

    Kensei (35 AP)
    • Kensei Focus: Archery, Spiritual Bond, Strike with No Thought
    1. Extra Action Boost III, Weapon Group Specialization, Haste Boost III
    2. Weapon Group Specialization, Ascetic Training: Contemplation III
    3. Critical Mastery III, Weapon Group Specialization, Wisdom
    4. Weapon Group Specialization, Wisdom
    5. A Good Death: Range, Weapon Master, One with the Blade, Deadly Shot, Keen Edge

    Arcane Archer (26 AP)
    • Arcane Archer, Morphic Arrows
    1. Conjure Arrows, Shock Arrows
    2. Force Arrows III, Elemental Damage
    3. Terror Arrows, Elemental Damage, Wisdom
    4. Banishing Arrows, Paralyzing Arrows, Smiting Arrows, Elemental Damage

    Deepwood Stalker (14 AP)
    • Far Shot, Sneak Attack, Sniper Shot
    1. Stealthy III, Increased Empathy II
    2. Improved Weapon Finesse, Melee/Range Power Boost III
    3. Aimed Shot

    Ninja Spy (3 AP)
    • Basic Ninja Training
    1. Sneak Attack Training

    Elf (1 AP)
    • Elven Accuracy

    Shintao (1 AP)
    • Bastion of Purity


    Any advice on squeezing the most out of something like this would be very much appreciated

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gargoyle69 View Post
    * I don't mind having shurikens as a fall-back, but I'd rather not build around using them every time TTS and Manyshot are on CD, so if it's viable I'd rather generally just use bows
    If you're planning to use shuriken, you should spend at least 6 APs in Ninja for the second core; and take Quick Draw + Shuriken Expertise.

    If you're not planning to use racial AA tree, then consider human instead for extra feat and Damage Boost.
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    Do you still need Zen Archery still if taking One With the Blades and DWS's Improved Weapon Finesse to remain centered or is it still only melee works that it works with? I know it helps if your doing all level up into Wis for the extra

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuneyMunster View Post
    Do you still need Zen Archery still if taking One With the Blades and DWS's Improved Weapon Finesse to remain centered or is it still only melee works that it works with?
    Correct: OwB still only works with melee Focus weapons; so yes, you still need ZA for a monkcher.
    I know it helps if your doing all level up into Wis for the extra
    Think your post got truncated there, but: go DEX-based for higher dmg mod, Reflex saves, and (if using shuriken) more procs from Shuriken Expertise+Adv Ninja Training; go WIS-based for higher Paralyzing DCs, Will saves, and more Ranged Power from TTS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    EDIT (06/23/16): Okay, so let's look at an updated version of one of my personal builds which is influenced by both Sestra's original and jakeelala's thread. We'll go over the rationale behind my build decisions as we go.
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    Shadow Monkcher
    12/6/2 Monk/Ranger/Fighter
    Lawful Neutral Elf
    Thinking of doing a build like this one once I finally get completionist in a couple lives. Would this one lose much by going helf over elf? Generally like them more. Which feat would you swap out for completionist on this one? (Want to use it once I finally have it). Could this build be done with 2 rogue or arti instead of fighter?
    CANNITH player. Recently returned to the game after 2 years, proudly back with Skunkworks my old crew. Finally hit completionist after 6 years on Pyrau!! Have 10 other epic characters across all play styles, some TRs.

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