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    Default Fatesinger needs an overhaul

    Fatesinger has many abilities that seem, on paper to work very well with bards. However, many abilities in this tree are underwhelming, confusing, or don't stack with bard songs. There are few abilities that are worth staying in this tree for, and fewer worth twisting.

    • Dirge and chord of disruption are not affected by spellpower. The damage is pitiful.
    • Fragment of the song: clarity gives an sp discount that does not stack with spell song trance.
    • I've heard (haven't personally tested) that the +4 cha from turn of the tide doesn't stack with inspire excellence.
    • There are several on-hit debuffs that barely benefit melees, but would help a caster bard immensely (harmonic resonance, fragment of the song: valor). Is there a reason these only proc on hit and not spellcast?
    • Turn of the tide is a long cooldown, short duration, epic moment, melee buff that doesn't affect bosses. As many have asked before, why not?
    • Several abilities with long cooldowns that just aren't worth it (siren's song, bound fate).
    • Majesty says that it increases the effective level of enchantment/charm spells by 2. What does that mean? Does it raise your caster level for those spells? Does it raise the spell level and thus the dc (if so, it doesn't work as the dc doesn't change)? No other ability in game is worded like this.
    • Abilities with an unlisted DC (dirge, chord of disruption, bound fate).
    • Grim fate says that it may take effect even if bound fate doesn't. It may? Does it have a dc? A % chance to proc? Does it only work on alternate tuesdays?


    I wouldn't be surprised if there are other issues or bugs with this destiny, but I wasn't in the mood to reset several times to test everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peng View Post
    • There are several on-hit debuffs that barely benefit melees, but would help a caster bard immensely (harmonic resonance, fragment of the song: valor). Is there a reason these only proc on hit and not spellcast?
    My spellsinger would melee in boss fights to get those debufs going.
    And there are swashbucklers with sonic damage and warchanter/spellsinger bards.

    • Several abilities with long cooldowns that just aren't worth it (siren's song, bound fate).
    Siren's Song is totally worth it and cooldown is about as much as the ability lasts (if you are a spellsinger with boosts to song durations). And it can make mobs helpless even on EE.

    • Majesty says that it increases the effective level of enchantment/charm spells by 2. What does that mean? Does it raise your caster level for those spells? Does it raise the spell level and thus the dc (if so, it doesn't work as the dc doesn't change)? No other ability in game is worded like this.
    It does neither. Caster level is not increased (duration is not increased), spell level is not increased (low level charms/holds have same DC). It has absolutely no effect.
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    Yup tree sucks, wonder if/when they will fix it

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    fatesinger has indeed multiple issues:
    - badly designed abilities
    - effects not matching description / not working
    - plainly annoying stuff
    - lack of meaningful progression for bards
    - combination of various semiuseless abilities, no rhyme or reason

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    Agreed.. the Tree isn't that tempting as it stands now. Some goodies... but I think it could be improved. Maybe add some freaking Sonic SLAs or something... Something like...

    It ain't Over until the Fatesinger Screams ... Similar to Scream, but SLA, cheaper and faster, and added stun effects against failed saves... or Banshee Scream.. new Scream that mixes Scream Power with Banshee drains... something... make it Great!!! Turn them Fatesingers into flipping Banshee from the X-men.. no one will complain, and if anyone does, no one else will take them seriously :P

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    *bump*

    It's been 3 years since I posted this, and not much has changed.
    • Turn the tide still has a lower boss dps restriction for some reason
    • Turn the tide still puts everything on a 10 sec cooldown
    • Many buffs don't stack with bard songs/buffs
      • Turn the tide cha doesn't stack with inspire excellence
      • O fortuna fort/ref saves don't stack with (greater) heroism
      • Fragment of song: clarity sp discount doesn't fully stack with spellsinger spellsong trance
    • Many effects just don't work, or work differently than they say they do
      • Majesty's +2 charm/enchant level does nothing
      • Dirge says its damage scales with half caster level. It doesn't scale at all
      • Harmonic resonance isn't giving any sonic vulnerability stacks
      • Aria's spellpower values are incorrect
    • Several abilities with an unlisted dc
      • Dirge
      • Chord of disruption
      • Bound fate
    • Ridiculously long cooldowns on turn the tide and especially bound fate
    • Nothing scales with spellpower. In an arcane ED

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    Quote Originally Posted by peng View Post
    • Turn the tide still puts everything on a 10 sec cooldown
    This in particular will absolutely be fixed with U41. The new typing of Bardic Music will alleviate a lot of the stacking complications, too.
    Last edited by Lynnabel; 12-03-2018 at 03:50 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynnabel View Post
    This in particular will absolutely be fixed with U41. The new typing of Bardic Music will alleviate a lot of the stacking complications, too.
    What about Fatesinger song durations? I noticed while on Lammania that my bard swashbuckler's Reign had decreased from live from 5 mins 40 seconds down to just 3 mins. This was the only unpleasant side effect to otherwise many QoL improvements to bards. Reign is a self only song, Tier 3 Fatesinger with 3 ranks. Could it get changed to 3 mins first rank, 1 additional minute per each additional rank. That would decrease it to 5 minutes but decent enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynnabel View Post
    This in particular will absolutely be fixed with U41. The new typing of Bardic Music will alleviate a lot of the stacking complications, too.
    Glad that you guys are fixing this particular ability but There's any plan on fixing the other problems on the tree?

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