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    Default The Kighter, an Elven Fighter/Monkcher AA

    The Kighter
    Elf Fighter 12 Monk 6 Paladin 2
    Lawful Good

    You can see the original build here

    Build Features:
    Depends on gear/Epic Destiny:
    80 KI/Concentration (4x 10K Stars)
    99,32% Doubleshot (219,37% Manyshot, chance of 4 arrows)
    178 Ranged Power
    112 PRR
    12 MRR cant fit item :P
    Bit low UMD

    This is Ilmer, currently a wisdom based Falconry AA. Im doing racial lives and on my last Elf life, so figured Id test some endgame builds. I plan to do an eTR and go dex based for a comparison. Should be fun! Ill probably keep the wisdom-based build for Sharn, and see what new gearset it brings. I had to buy a Devotion138 aug, as my Cocoons were a little weak, but Ive levelled with a healer so didnt notice much till he was gone 8)


    Stats:
    Str 08
    Dex 16
    Con 14
    Int 12
    Wis 18 + Levels
    Cha 08


    Feats:
    01 Point Blank Shot, Weapon Focus : Ranged (fighter)
    02 Zen Archery (monk)
    03 Rapid Shot, Follower of the Silver Flame (paladin)
    04 Precise Shot (fighter)
    05 Precision (monk)
    06 Past Life : Rogue (fighter)
    07 Path of Harmonious Balance : Fists of Light (monk)
    08 Manyshot (fighter)
    09 Weapon Specialization : Ranged (monk)
    12 Past Life : Paladin, Improved Critical : Ranged (fighter)
    13 Ten Thousand Stars (monk)
    15 Master of Forms (fighter)
    16 Improved Precise Shot (fighter)
    18 Greater Weapon Focus : Ranged, Weapon Focus : Thrown (fighter)
    20 Greater Weapon Specialization : Ranged (fighter)
    21 Overwhelming Critical
    24 Combat Archery
    26 Holy Strike
    27 Weapon Specialization : Thrown
    28 Doubleshot
    29 Dreamscape
    30 Greater Weapon Focus : Thrown
    30 Scion of Arborea
    Level order: F, M, P, F, M, F, M, F, M, F, M, F, M, P, F, F, F, F, F, F.


    Skills:
    Max Concentration, Heal, UMD11, Tumble1, rest in Spellcraft


    Enhancements: I have 84 points at the moment...

    Elf: 14 points.

    Arcane Archer (Elf): 42 points.

    Falconry: 28 points


    Epic destiny:
    Fury of the Wild
    Primal Scream (3/3)
    Constitution (1/1)
    Acute Instincts (3/3)
    Damage Reduction (3/3)
    Constitution (1/1)
    Constitution (1/1)
    Sense Weakness (3/3)
    Constitution (1/1)
    Fury Eternal (1/1)
    Unbridled Fury (1/1)

    or

    Epic destiny:
    Legendary Dreadnought
    Extra Action Boost (2/3)
    Constitution (1/1)
    Action Boost: Damage (3/3)
    Constitution (1/1)
    Critical Damage (3/3)
    Constitution (1/1)
    Constitution (1/1)
    Advancing Blows (1/1)
    Devastating Critical (1/1)
    Master's Blitz Resistance (1/1)
    Pulverizer (1/1)


    Twists:
    Pierce the Gloom
    Damage Boost
    Pin
    Enlightenment
    Rejuvenation Cocoon


    Gear Set:

    Weapons: Leg Twisted Willow
    Armor:Leg Wildwood Outfit or Leg Disciple of the Dawn
    Goggles: LGS
    Helm: Leg Wallwatch Circlet
    Neck: LGS
    Trinket: Leg Symbol of the Slavelords
    Cloak: Leg Shadowhail Cloak
    Belt: Leg Braided Cutcord
    Ring: Radiant Ring of Taer Valaestas
    Gloves: Leg Wildwood Gauntlets
    Boots: LGS
    Ring: Leg Ring of Prowess
    Bracers: LGS
    Quiver: Quiver of Alacrity
    Augments: Power250, False Life40, Vitality20, Globe of Imperial Blood, Good Luck2, Resist6, Festive Int2, Festive Wis2, Charisma8, Constitution7, Devotion138


    Final Stats:
    STR 19
    DEX 54
    CON 44
    INT 22
    WIS 61
    CHA 24


    HP:
    288 Base
    510 Constitution Bonus
    252 Feat Bonus
    229 Enchanted Bonus
    447 HP Adjustment
    1726 Total


    SP:
    0 Base
    275 Ability Bonus
    175 Feat Bonus
    275 Enchanted Bonus
    725 Total


    Fort/Reflex/Will Saves:
    57 70 53
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    why bother with 12 fighter? the only advantage i can see is +10 rp.

    is it really worth losing rams might and called shot, or holy sword?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_one_dwarfforged View Post
    why bother with 12 fighter? the only advantage i can see is +10 rp.

    is it really worth losing rams might and called shot, or holy sword?
    Hey there, yes I did it mainly for the ranged power. And weapon specialization gives me some straight damage, instead of Rams Might. Called Shot I havent been playing with, is that the 500pt shot? I do miss Sniper Shot from DWS. Holy Sword I never tried, but seems too op for me 8) Fighter also let me pick up some PL feats for some more dps. All in all a viable alternative I think...

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    Quote Originally Posted by IlmerSilverhilt View Post
    Hey there, yes I did it mainly for the ranged power. And weapon specialization gives me some straight damage, instead of Rams Might. Called Shot I havent been playing with, is that the 500pt shot? I do miss Sniper Shot from DWS. Holy Sword I never tried, but seems too op for me 8) Fighter also let me pick up some PL feats for some more dps. All in all a viable alternative I think...

    Ilmer
    yea called shot and sniper shot are the same thing.

    and thats a good point about rams/weapon spec.

    i really wonder though whether 10 ranged power is better than a pretty solid clicky every 6 seconds.
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    I posted this elsewhere but I think the way to go with an AA (outside the typical 14/15 pally annoyance) is a build that uses manyshot with bows and otherwise is a thrower.
    The only way to get dex to damage with bows was through elven grace whereas the only way to get increased threat with shurikens was halfling or pure ninja monk.

    With the changes to deepwood this is now possible, so dex based halfling deepwood (minimum 2)/monk (minimum 3, 6 if you want 10k) and consider how good tier 5 mechanic is right now (sneak attack via rogue as well as 20 RP on tier 4 and 5). Harper is good too so lots of ways of doing it, but you want at least 3 monk for Advanced ninja training and a couple of ranger for deepwood's improved weapon finesse, ideally spend 16 in halfling for improved threat with thrower and you are good.

    I heartily recommend active attacks like Sniper shot, leg shot etc. since with IPS the effect is insane. ranger gives so many good feats up to level 6 anyway that it is handy, and the core of deepwood at 12 is supposed to give another 10 rp. Maybe 12 deepwood, 3 monk, 5 rogue or something similar, all will be stretching AP to the max.
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    Default Enhancements after AA changes

    No longer relevant, sorry 8)
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    With the latest changes to AAs, will you be sticking with this level split; or do you think you might TR into, say, monk 12 / rgr 6 / pal 2?
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    Hey Unbongwah, yeah I think Ill stay with this split for the time being. Might not be the best atm, but think its pretty good allround, I like the base dmg, the RP & the feats I have.
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    Updated the OP and added new screenies and a video, hope you enjoy 8)
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    Made some changes to OP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saekee View Post
    I posted this elsewhere but I think the way to go with an AA (outside the typical 14/15 pally annoyance) is a build that uses manyshot with bows and otherwise is a thrower.
    The only way to get dex to damage with bows was through elven grace whereas the only way to get increased threat with shurikens was halfling or pure ninja monk.

    With the changes to deepwood this is now possible, so dex based halfling deepwood (minimum 2)/monk (minimum 3, 6 if you want 10k) and consider how good tier 5 mechanic is right now (sneak attack via rogue as well as 20 RP on tier 4 and 5). Harper is good too so lots of ways of doing it, but you want at least 3 monk for Advanced ninja training and a couple of ranger for deepwood's improved weapon finesse, ideally spend 16 in halfling for improved threat with thrower and you are good.

    I heartily recommend active attacks like Sniper shot, leg shot etc. since with IPS the effect is insane. ranger gives so many good feats up to level 6 anyway that it is handy, and the core of deepwood at 12 is supposed to give another 10 rp. Maybe 12 deepwood, 3 monk, 5 rogue or something similar, all will be stretching AP to the max.
    I thought one of the monk tree's included the bow as its sub listed under any weapon that a monk can remain centered with via zen archery.
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    Alternate enhancements for more helplessness damage.
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    I tried the new Kensei enhancements, but decided they were not for this build. I dont think Strike with no Thought (lvl6 core) stacks with Shadow Arrows crit multi from AA Tree, so at the moment Im running with 20 AP Elf, 41 AP AA & 19 AP Harper. I am working towards a 4 (maybe 5) piece LGS item-set, so equipment is a bit different as Im wearing 3 pieces. That means Ive lost some nice effects, but maybe I can augment those later (slots are beginning to look sparse though, due to LGS ). I could/should do a Lesser Reincarnation and move the Wis raise and enhancement to Dex instead. Id rather have 1 more damage full time, than 2rp 10K stars... But thats minor and Im lazy and also a bit worried I cant get skill pts to fit like they do now, Im missing 0.5-1 pt in the planner iirc :P

    I also started to think about Scion feats... With Manyshot I have 197% doublestrike, but could push it past 200 with Astral Plane. I have no idea how that matches up to Arborea which I have now.

    Thats it for now, will update OP with stats and gear once its done. Have fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IlmerSilverhilt View Post
    I dont think Strike with no Thought (lvl6 core) stacks with Shadow Arrows crit multi from AA Tree
    They don't stack - or rather, they wouldn't if everything was WAI - but according to the KIL, elf AA tree is still bugged: "The Shadow Arrows bonus to critical damage multiplier is not triggering correctly for the Elven Arcane Archer." So you might want to run some DPS tests w/ and w/out SwNT.
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    Updated OP, mostly gear changes and the following edit of stats, HP, SP etc. Still havent surpassed my 100k crit as Im missing a crit multi... Hope it gets fixed soon 8)

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    Quote Originally Posted by IlmerSilverhilt View Post
    Updated OP, mostly gear changes and the following edit of stats, HP, SP etc. Still havent surpassed my 100k crit as Im missing a crit multi... Hope it gets fixed soon 8)

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    Hey Dalcron, thx for asking... Im not using this build anymore because Im running racial lives and this build has to be elf! But its a build I will be coming back to when Im done TRing 8)

    Its stilll viable but could maybe be tweaked a little. Now with Falconry tree coming out for favor, I think Ill try a wisdom version just for fun. As a furyshotter its important to have the crit multi's Monk fire stance, Shadow Arrows, Overwhelming Crit & one of the Elasticity bows if you can find, new Chaosbow is sweet! The thing I like with the fighter version is the many feats youll have.

    Cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by IlmerSilverhilt View Post
    Hey Dalcron, thx for asking... Im not using this build anymore because Im running racial lives and this build has to be elf! But its a build I will be coming back to when Im done TRing 8)

    Its stilll viable but could maybe be tweaked a little. Now with Falconry tree coming out for favor, I think Ill try a wisdom version just for fun. As a furyshotter its important to have the crit multi's Monk fire stance, Shadow Arrows, Overwhelming Crit & one of the Elasticity bows if you can find, new Chaosbow is sweet! The thing I like with the fighter version is the many feats youll have.

    Cheers!
    Cool. If I can get a +1 heart, I'm thinking of trying out an iconic elf and trying the falconry tree for hit and damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalcron View Post
    Cool. If I can get a +1 heart, I'm thinking of trying out an iconic elf and trying the falconry tree for hit and damage.
    Well starting an Iconic Sun Elf is a bust. They don't get the +to hit and damage with bows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalcron View Post
    Well starting an Iconic Sun Elf is a bust. They don't get the +to hit and damage with bows.
    If it is just the dmg line in racial thats holding you back, Id advise you to just live with it... You can make a fine iconic elf, I think, just take the 14 pts to get AA in racial tree. If your endgame build is an archer you might want ranger or monk heavier builds for the PL.

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