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    Default The Vicar of Vol (36pt < 20 PLs, 20 Aasimar Cleric/Warpriest/Vistani)

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    A few comments:
    • Why Destruction domain? I won't say it's solely for 2H barbarian / clerics, but I would think Animal domain is a better fit for a WIS melee cleric: extra HPs, +15% Fortification bypass, and Feral Charge.
    • The Child feats are still weaksauce IMO. A metamagic would be more useful. Also perhaps I misunderstand how the deity feats work now, but couldn't you take The Blood is the Life at 6 and skip Search the Soul?
    • You didn't mention if this was for a racial or class PL. If it's the latter and you're not going heavy into the racial tree, then I think human is still better than Aasimar for a build like this: an extra feat is more useful in the long run than +2 WIS IMO, particularly if going for a melee/caster hybrid.
    • I'm still underwhelmed by Warpriest so I think you'll find e.g. Vistani 41 / Falconry 27 / WP 12 a stronger combo, unless you really want Ameliorating Strike and/or +10% HPs from WP. But that's easy to tweak while leveling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    A few comments:
    • Why Destruction domain? I won't say it's solely for 2H barbarian / clerics, but I would think Animal domain is a better fit for a WIS melee cleric: extra HPs, +15% Fortification bypass, and Feral Charge.
    • The Child feats are still weaksauce IMO. A metamagic would be more useful. Also perhaps I misunderstand how the deity feats work now, but couldn't you take The Blood is the Life at 6 and skip Search the Soul?
    • You didn't mention if this was for a racial or class PL. If it's the latter and you're not going heavy into the racial tree, then I think human is still better than Aasimar for a build like this: an extra feat is more useful in the long run than +2 WIS IMO, particularly if going for a melee/caster hybrid.
    • I'm still underwhelmed by Warpriest so I think you'll find e.g. Vistani 41 / Falconry 27 / WP 12 a stronger combo, unless you really want Ameliorating Strike and/or +10% HPs from WP. But that's easy to tweak while leveling.
    I chose Destruction for the Improved Destruction, 6 Melee Power and 3% Doublestrike. I thought about Animal and I'm still torn on it. It is a strong choice as well. There are several Domains that would work probably. Animal would definitely be fun.

    I thought about Metamagics instead but the build has no SLAs. So I figured having mana for healing, buffing and debuffing would be better spent.

    This is for a class PL. The extra feat is nice. I had Human originally and may still go Human but the +2 WIS and 2 charges of Lay on Hands is pretty nice too. Considering too that I don't need/want DC increase. If I do go Human it might be nice to take Extend for the Haste, Blur and other buffs.

    I feel the opposite. Implacable proc is pretty nice and it's easy to find equipment for both Fire/Radiant bonuses. 40D4 every 30-60 seconds isn't anything to write home about but it's automatic. Along with the free healing and lesser restore from the Smite Foe passives. Kinda nice when fighting Drow or Undead. I guess this is a personal preference. I despise constantly using 20 second buffs like Action Boosts. I prefer procs. Vistani to me has too many short buffs/abillities. As you know targeting in DDO with melee is it's own ballet and too often essential skills fire without hitting their target because of tumbling/mobile enemies. Or the player for that matter.
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    You get the extra crit threat range in your enhancement setup, but do you think not having the extra crit multiplier is gonna hurt it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rabidfox View Post
    You get the extra crit threat range in your enhancement setup, but do you think not having the extra crit multiplier is gonna hurt it?
    I thought I had range and multiplier in there. Let me double check.

    EDIT: Ok I do. I didnt' take it with Vistani because you get with the 5th core in Warpriest. Which also grants the Haste spell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkat View Post
    DDO really needs a place called "Dibley" in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knightrose View Post
    I thought I had range and multiplier in there. Let me double check.

    EDIT: Ok I do. I didnt' take it with Vistani because you get with the 5th core in Warpriest. Which also grants the Haste spell.
    Core 5 haste only gives +1 to threat range but not multiplier. You'd need to core 4 out of Visanti to get the multiplier or go with War domain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rabidfox View Post
    Core 5 haste only gives +1 to threat range but not multiplier. You'd need to core 4 out of Visanti to get the multiplier or go with War domain.
    Ah ok thanks let me fix that or make sure it's in there through Warpriest.

    EDIT: I did take it. It's in Warpriest T5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knightrose View Post
    Ah ok thanks let me fix that or make sure it's in there through Warpriest.

    EDIT: I did take it. It's in Warpriest T5.
    Hehe, right, I'm glad I was wrong. I glanced at the wiki but didn't look in game. The wiki still has the old Divine Power T5 without showing the +1 crit multiplier there.

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    I wonder if using Falconry is worth it. Maybe I should just go STR instead of WIS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knightrose View Post
    I wonder if using Falconry is worth it. Maybe I should just go STR instead of WIS?
    Then you'll hurt your bonus spells point from wisdom; which might not be too bad depending on what all you'll be casting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knightrose View Post
    Ah ok thanks let me fix that or make sure it's in there through Warpriest.

    EDIT: I did take it. It's in Warpriest T5.
    Are you sure you're not thinking of War Soul? AFAIK Warpriest never got the +1 crit multiplier bonus to favored weapons which is...annoying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    Are you sure you're not thinking of War Soul? AFAIK Warpriest never got the +1 crit multiplier bonus to favored weapons which is...annoying.
    In the builder Warpriest Divine Power gives +1 Competence Crit Multiplier, +6 Sacred STR bonus and a BAB equal to a Fighter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rabidfox View Post
    Then you'll hurt your bonus spells point from wisdom; which might not be too bad depending on what all you'll be casting.
    I think it will be worth it? Because otherwise I feel like I'm ignoring that nice +6 Sacred bonus to STR from T5 Divine Power (far top left).
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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    Are you sure you're not thinking of War Soul? AFAIK Warpriest never got the +1 crit multiplier bonus to favored weapons which is...annoying.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knightrose View Post
    In the builder Warpriest Divine Power gives +1 Competence Crit Multiplier, +6 Sacred STR bonus and a BAB equal to a Fighter.
    All of this is making me 2nd guess myself over and over. Logged in to actually look at a cleric alt I had laying around. The builder must only show the FvS version of skill as hovering over the ability for cleric's divine power shows it has no crit multiplier while FvS does. So your builder app is giving you wrong info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rabidfox View Post
    All of this is making me 2nd guess myself over and over. Logged in to actually look at a cleric alt I had laying around. The builder must only show the FvS version of skill as hovering over the ability for cleric's divine power shows it has no crit multiplier while FvS does. So your builder app is giving you wrong info.
    That sucks. Thank you for checking that. I wonder if they both work the same but it doesn't show in the tooltip for Warpriest.

    I will see if I can test it with leveling up an Iconic. Will report back.

    EDIT: It does not apply a crit multiplier so the tooltip is correct. I noticed some other errors with the builder too. For example Ameliorating Strike is 1d3 in game. It's 1d2 in the builder.

    Well this saddens me. Back to the drawing board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    Are you sure you're not thinking of War Soul? AFAIK Warpriest never got the +1 crit multiplier bonus to favored weapons which is...annoying.
    I double checked in-game and you are correct it does not have a multiplier for Warpriest. Which is as you said annoying. I don't even understand the concept choice if it was a choice. If Cleric and Favored Soul are essentially the same then why attempt to make them different by introducing weakness. Especially when melee combat is SO far behind in utility and power when compared to ranged/magic classes.

    My posted build could still be viable if I take the fourth core in Vistani to get the multiplier but for that I think i will ditch Falconry.

    I'll edit the OP and present it to the mercy of the forum again

    EDIT: The OP was updated to a STR build that utilizes a bit more from Vistani with only one wasteful buff (gaining a competence bonus to critical threat range twice). This build may even be better than my original iteration. Better saves. Stronger healing. Higher DPS. Yeah I think it's better lol.
    Last edited by Knightrose; 05-06-2020 at 12:15 PM.
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    Updated the original post to reflect the current state of the build. 06/03/2020

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