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    Recently our group has had issues with the amount of champions that spawn. We have also learned if you re start it pretty much fixes it. There are some quests, that spawn say 90% champions, but the next time less then 20%. (Grim and barrett is a great example of that.) Not sure why the huge difference from quest to quest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by majikpaul View Post
    Maybe I missed it somewhere in this thread, but I have a question on how the champion buffs work in regards to the different tiers of champs. I was recently looking at the chart on the DDOWiki http://ddowiki.com/page/Monster_Champion - my question is if a champ has deathblock at T2 does it also have it at T3? For example Flame Born has deathblock at T2, and fireDOT and TS at T3. Do the buffs at lower tiers carry over to higher tiers?
    Yes, they are cumulative. Higher tiers have all the lower buffs too.

    Quote Originally Posted by whoolsey View Post
    you people have your challenge in reaper mode, we want our balanced content back.
    Sure: don't spend any AP, use any gear from the last 5 years, or get BB and you could have balanced hard/elite content back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cantor View Post
    Sure: don't spend any AP, use any gear from the last 5 years, or get BB and you could have balanced hard/elite content back.
    This ship already sailed but in fairness to whoolsey, even with class passes and better equipment, at a given difficulty level, not every class/build performs better today than 5 years ago. I would _love_ to play my avatar, a Rogue Assassin, in 2013 mode, before Super Monster Champions and broken Stealth. For the few of us left who still care about survival, when playing some class/builds, the game remains (much) harder today than 5 years ago. If you wanted that additional difficulty, are not fixated on a specific archetype, and find death irrelevant, yay for you! Truly! For those of us who enjoyed the way things were, the last 4 years have kinda (extremely) sucked. Anyway, I am finally over the Champion difficulty hump and I hope whoolsey gets over it, too.

    Also, thank you to the developers for addressing the issue regarding Champions and Damage Over Time effects. I have not suffered a one-shot since that change. I probably just jinxed myself
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annex View Post
    I probably just jinxed myself
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    Quote Originally Posted by AbsynthMinded View Post
    The spawn rate, lack of rewards, and deadliness of their buffs. I hate champions. They add nothing to my game. They ruin my fun, with abnormal speeds. Soul of Cruelty wipes me dead so often it is insulting at the speed to which that particular version can cut anyone down in seconds. It fills me with rage and disgust.

    I hate them all, I think they are pathetic, posing as added content and challenge. The game would be no different without them. We do not need champions and Reaper difficulty. Champions have no worthy added rewards. Their random drop chest drop so rarely as to not drop at all. The random loot is trash 99% of the time. They would not need to exist if DDO had not broken the loot tables with power creep.

    I want an option to play DDO as it was without them. The developers can not make them balanced.
    I 100% agree. I am beyond frustrated. My wife and I just spend a pretty good bit of money buying XP tome boosts and different **** to try some builds and we are now level 8 trying to do irestone inlet on elite and we are gettng 1 shot by champions in that quest.

    Said screw it, went to do the very first STK quest in MP (the level 3 one). Entered it on Elite (level 5) and theres CR9 MOBS IN THERE...
    5 minutes in, and what to we encounter - a ****ING CHAMPION. Guess what he does, he 1 shots us both.

    This is utter friggin BS. I remember back in 2006-2009 I could duo with someone in elite and as long as we were careful would be ok, now we have to deal with champion ****!

    Why didnt you just enable it as an OPTION ffs!!!!

    I was right when I made that post saying that you are destroying your game.

    And all you veterans who have been here for 13 years that have like 200 TR's and are basically invincible now can go to hell.
    Dont you ever ask why theres no new players here.

    Enjoy your broken game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dread131313 View Post
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    Why didnt you just enable it as an OPTION ffs!!!!

    I was right when I made that post saying that you are destroying your game.
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    You are 100% right about "option for champions". I disagree with "nerfs".

    Has been suggested before, option to turn off champions, but:
    - no response from devs
    - super vets say "if you are *****, run on Normal"

    Fun part is, that super vets dont do Hard/Elite anyway. They do Reaper. They don't even know how it really is to be new or casual or returning player.

    Anyway, I do agree, Champions on Hard/Elite do kill game. A simple option, toggle would fixed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dread131313 View Post
    I 100% agree. I am beyond frustrated. My wife and I just spend a pretty good bit of money buying XP tome boosts and different **** to try some builds and we are now level 8 trying to do irestone inlet on elite and we are gettng 1 shot by champions in that quest.

    Said screw it, went to do the very first STK quest in MP (the level 3 one). Entered it on Elite (level 5) and theres CR9 MOBS IN THERE...
    5 minutes in, and what to we encounter - a ****ING CHAMPION. Guess what he does, he 1 shots us both.

    This is utter friggin BS. I remember back in 2006-2009 I could duo with someone in elite and as long as we were careful would be ok, now we have to deal with champion ****!

    Why didnt you just enable it as an OPTION ffs!!!!

    I was right when I made that post saying that you are destroying your game.

    And all you veterans who have been here for 13 years that have like 200 TR's and are basically invincible now can go to hell.
    Dont you ever ask why theres no new players here.

    Enjoy your broken game.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kriogen View Post
    You are 100% right about "option for champions". I disagree with "nerfs".

    Has been suggested before, option to turn off champions, but:
    - no response from devs
    - super vets say "if you are *****, run on Normal"

    Fun part is, that super vets dont do Hard/Elite anyway. They do Reaper. They don't even know how it really is to be new or casual or returning player.

    Anyway, I do agree, Champions on Hard/Elite do kill game. A simple option, toggle would fixed it.
    So this thread still lives?

    Anyway, its what i said back then, cordo said the power players got due to gear (often rerolled, locked behind vip or packs), higher tomes( from the ddo store due to low drop rates), reaper cores working in non reaper, store bought epic pl working in heroics, store bought broken op classes, etc was the reason why champs weren't optional.
    It was bassicly an admission they screwwed up the balance.

    In the mean while many vets lost touch with reality because they mostly run tr-s or twinked new toons for bank favor at best.
    Hence the, take it down to normal attitude.

    Sadly its a case of, cope with it or leave, ssg is addamant about their champs.
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    Not to derail the thread, but then can you make 2hf NOT suck so much compared to 2wf or swf?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dread131313 View Post
    I 100% agree. I am beyond frustrated. My wife and I just spend a pretty good bit of money buying XP tome boosts and different **** to try some builds and we are now level 8 trying to do irestone inlet on elite and we are gettng 1 shot by champions in that quest.

    Said screw it, went to do the very first STK quest in MP (the level 3 one). Entered it on Elite (level 5) and theres CR9 MOBS IN THERE...
    5 minutes in, and what to we encounter - a ****ING CHAMPION. Guess what he does, he 1 shots us both.
    It's not the champions, it's you if you are level 8. Try using a fortification item for defense.
    If you want advice about strategy or builds then ask for it - much better results than making excuses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kriogen View Post
    Fun part is, that super vets dont do Hard/Elite anyway. They do Reaper. They don't even know how it really is to be new or casual or returning player.
    Actually, no. We know exactly how it is to be casual or new because we have all been through it. We just don't complain as often; or tolerate people who do much.

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    If you're dying on hard or elite you need better gear stats or build. Fortification is a must...and some extra health doesn't hurt. This game takes time and patience to get decent at. I came back 2 years ago and it took some time to make some more viable toons. Range is what a lot of people use for farming past lives or warlock. This is not an MMO that you turn your brain off and mindlessly farm out of the chute. It takes understanding of game mechanics quests and a whole lot of other stuff. Learn and grow or if that is not something you want to do then this is probably not the right game for you.

    There is always running a tank and healer duo. You'll definitely find people to run with if you both get good at that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dread131313 View Post
    I 100% agree. I am beyond frustrated. My wife and I just spend a pretty good bit of money buying XP tome boosts and different **** to try some builds and we are now level 8 trying to do irestone inlet on elite and we are gettng 1 shot by champions in that quest.

    Said screw it, went to do the very first STK quest in MP (the level 3 one). Entered it on Elite (level 5) and theres CR9 MOBS IN THERE...
    5 minutes in, and what to we encounter - a ****ING CHAMPION. Guess what he does, he 1 shots us both.

    This is utter friggin BS. I remember back in 2006-2009 I could duo with someone in elite and as long as we were careful would be ok, now we have to deal with champion ****!

    Why didnt you just enable it as an OPTION ffs!!!!

    I was right when I made that post saying that you are destroying your game.

    And all you veterans who have been here for 13 years that have like 200 TR's and are basically invincible now can go to hell.
    Dont you ever ask why theres no new players here.

    Enjoy your broken game.
    Really? Lvl 8 Irestone and struggling? Some people are just bad at this game.

    I'm just guessing but this is probably what devs are thinking
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    This game used to rock for me. When it first started it was difficult and you needed a balanced group to run most quests. Then people started complaining that it was too hard so the devs made it easy for anyone to solo it. Now it was to easy so they made game play more difficult through many mechanisms and when it was too hard again, they started giving out equipment loot that was insane for the level of character starting out. Then it was too easy again so they came up with the champion monsters which sucks.

    I played with groups when I first started and it was fun. I joined guilds and it was fun. Then the game got taken over by uber players and more casual players started fleeing the game. A few like me have hung in there but all I want to do is relax and play solo

    Normal should be all right for a solo player but i find that gaining favor is next to impossible and playing on hard is getting to be unenjoyable because these champion monsters are too numerous and overpowered. I don't care what anyone else thinks. This is my opinion. I have read yours and you are entitled to your opinion but don't try to fit us casual players into your little box of how the game should be played by everyone.

    A simple solution would be to scale down the number/difficulty of the champions based on the number of players in the group or just simply let me opt out of playing with champion monsters in the game.

    I payed for the game when it first came out, and have paid my yearly fee all these years but feel left out because of all the uber players *****ing and devs responding only to their concerns. The end result is so many fewer players than there used to be and a lot more players wanting to just play solo. So go ahead and tear me down, let me know how superior you are, and keep watching as the player base goes down and down.

    I love the playing mechanics and the way I can customize my characters. As soon as I can find a game to match this experience, I will finally quit this game and move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunner2 View Post
    This game used to rock for me. When it first started it was difficult and you needed a balanced group to run most quests. Then people started complaining that it was too hard so the devs made it easy for anyone to solo it. Now it was to easy so they made game play more difficult through many mechanisms and when it was too hard again, they started giving out equipment loot that was insane for the level of character starting out. Then it was too easy again so they came up with the champion monsters which sucks.

    I played with groups when I first started and it was fun. I joined guilds and it was fun. Then the game got taken over by uber players and more casual players started fleeing the game. A few like me have hung in there but all I want to do is relax and play solo

    Normal should be all right for a solo player but i find that gaining favor is next to impossible and playing on hard is getting to be unenjoyable because these champion monsters are too numerous and overpowered. I don't care what anyone else thinks. This is my opinion. I have read yours and you are entitled to your opinion but don't try to fit us casual players into your little box of how the game should be played by everyone.

    A simple solution would be to scale down the number/difficulty of the champions based on the number of players in the group or just simply let me opt out of playing with champion monsters in the game.

    I payed for the game when it first came out, and have paid my yearly fee all these years but feel left out because of all the uber players *****ing and devs responding only to their concerns. The end result is so many fewer players than there used to be and a lot more players wanting to just play solo. So go ahead and tear me down, let me know how superior you are, and keep watching as the player base goes down and down.

    I love the playing mechanics and the way I can customize my characters. As soon as I can find a game to match this experience, I will finally quit this game and move on.
    They dont cater to the top 5% uber players. Quite the opposite because If they did all new content would be level 30. When in fact there is only a handful of non raid level 30 quests to run for reaper xp. The top 5% are running high skull reaper level 30 quests on capped characters.

    Question: why is gaining max so important to you? Outside the bank and back space which is very easy for even the most casual player to achieve there really isn't any big favor rewards except the plus 5 tome, which should be VERY difficult to get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spyder7723 View Post
    The top 5% are running high skull reaper level 30 quests on capped characters.
    The top 5% left the game. The dedicated grinders are cherry picking quests with the best rxp per minute.

    Quote Originally Posted by spyder7723 View Post
    Question: why is gaining max so important to you? Outside the bank and back space which is very easy for even the most casual player to achieve there really isn't any big favor rewards except the plus 5 tome, which should be VERY difficult to get.
    It's not up to you or I to determine what is important for other people to get.

    The problem with the champion system since it's inception is that it over-rewarded 2 forms of defense - hp and prr. For that reason I always supported the idea to include a champion rate scaler that people can adjust to decrease or increase the rate of champions and resulting remnants. The problem is even worse now since there is such a massive gap in hp and prr based on all the grinds in the game.

    SSG would have reduced alot of attrition if they put the scaler in for at least hard and elite difficulties. For reaper you should only be able to adjust the rate up and not down.

    Quote Originally Posted by lyrecono View Post
    In the mean while many vets lost touch with reality because they mostly run tr-s or twinked new toons for bank favor at best.
    Hence the, take it down to normal attitude.

    Sadly its a case of, cope with it or leave, ssg is addamant about their champs.
    Agreed.
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    Peeks my head in. Sees Champions are still a thing. Sighs. Walks away.
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