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    This is how it should scale: Random loot < Named Loot < Raid Named Loot.
    The Trophy Room A great idea. Please do this devs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdemeritt View Post
    Wow... about time.

    I've recently been thinking about a Coyle Hireling, just for some revenge... Coyle open that door in the Crucible.... Coyle pull that lever, don't worry about the trap.... Hey Coyle, Lemmme drop your soul stone into the lava....
    I would so totally buy that. I'd take him into Siegebreaker again and again just to make him stand by barrels and blow his (censored) up.
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    So I get to see Coyle get his butt kicked AND still get exp? PERFECT!

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    I like it, but it took long enough after they made other escort mobs "unkillable"

    I was also playing the high road quests a shirt time ago and noted the sarcasm in the NPCs voice. "I understand you don't like escorting me......Im fully capable of taking care of myself you know, Im a harper wizard after all!!!" - followed directly by "AHHHHH save me from this dreaded creature!!" - as a lowly dretch attacks him.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    For those not happy...

    Yes, there are better ways of making this quest suck less. I doubt however that any of them are going to be as quick (and therefore - cheap) to do from a Dev point of view.

    If they had just reduced the timer to 5 minutes than any other scripted events need to be changed as well. Not always simple when dealing with a mature code base. This way its a simple case of HP=0 then quest not fail. Instead Optional=Fail.
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    The only reasons I can think of for why the devs didn't do what I'm about to suggest for a better fix is because of time and coding.

    All that needed to be done was give Coyle a dialogue box with options much like a hire. Options could have been something like

    Fight

    Stay

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    Role-playing isn't storytelling. If the dungeon master is directing it, its not a game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qhualor View Post
    The only reasons I can think of for why the devs didn't do what I'm about to suggest for a better fix is because of time and coding.

    All that needed to be done was give Coyle a dialogue box with options much like a hire. Options could have been something like

    Fight

    Stay

    Follow me
    It couldn't have been that rough, just do a little copy & paste work from the chick in Gladewatch. Instead, they've made it to where failure takes more effort than success...
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    My hate for Coyle will live forever, even as I sit invisible and wait the 15 min while watching as he gets mauled.

    With the DM voice muted, I might actually enjoy this now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DakFrost View Post
    My hate for Coyle will live forever, even as I sit invisible and wait the 15 min while watching as he gets mauled.

    With the DM voice muted, I might actually enjoy this now.
    Hopefully they've at least added some screaming and wailing, you know - sounds of suffering as he gets endlessly beat upon At least I could take some solace in that...
    Now excuse me while I wander off to arm myself with Grilled Cheese Sandwiches and hunker down behind my Armored Beer Refrigerator, while I have the UFO's take control of the Congresional Wives with the help of the International Cocaine Smugglers and the Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow - btw, do you have change for 10 million population?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post

    I was also playing the high road quests a shirt time ago and noted the sarcasm in the NPCs voice. "I understand you don't like escorting me......Im fully capable of taking care of myself you know, Im a harper wizard after all!!!" - followed directly by "AHHHHH save me from this dreaded creature!!" - as a lowly dretch attacks him.

    That Dude is gonna get left in the middle of some mobs one of these days... I almost told him to escort himself one day when he was whining about me wasting his time while I've moved to the next fight, and he's still standing back at a spot 3 fights ago with his shield up for no reason....
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    Since It's a change that hasn't been shown to the PC... I'm allowed to give my option before the first 24 Hours ends.

    This is a good change in my humble opinion... And maybe it's a sign that Threnal will gets some love at some point.
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    I don't have the pack. I've never run threnal. Yet, even I know how terribly stupid Coyle is!

    Good timing, now put that pack on discount I should really get gift of the master!
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    Love the change. I mean all these escort quests suck arse anyways!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PermaBanned View Post
    Hopefully they've at least added some screaming and wailing, you know - sounds of suffering as he gets endlessly beat upon At least I could take some solace in that...
    That would be a good start...also, adding some gore graphics would make it my favorite quest.

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    Coyle and his derivates in all books, games, movies and pnp adventures represent the most hated cliche of an NPC. How long did this change take in work hours? The exact time, please. Because right now I feel like being trolled. It has been so long the way it was, changing it now won't make the frustration over such stupid NPCs and adventure design even. Almost a decade...

    If this quest arc was a pnp module, I let im die, then raise him after completion... maybe.
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    I was gonna get all 'easy button' about it but frankly its so hard to get heroic groups for things now, that with the threnal flagging mechanic on top which means people aren't at the right stages so want to re run sections blah blah... I frankly welcome this change, I love those quests as it happens but Coyle is really only "fun" in a group. Solo its just aggravating.

    Maybe if I was gonna ask them to tweak this change a little bit, I'd say they should only have made the change for normal and hard. But I'll happily run it on elite and only have to worry about keeping myself alive.

    So I'm in two minds. I really like this change... but I want to hate it, for the sake of honour! I will make sure to angst about it while I watch coyle get pummelled into the ground and expend zero resources on him
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    Kobold still hate Coyle!
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    and they keep dumbing things...or making 'em easier...blergh
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirValentine View Post
    Easy button.
    I agree...

    but....

    I would make it so base XP stays as is, but keeping him alive adds a ton more. Maybe even adds extra loot.
    That way the quest becomes more friendly to do, but still has huge incentive to keep him alive.
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    ..., but I honestly think the solution is to group with less whiny people.

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