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    Default Has anyone figured out the max spell penetration needed in the game?

    I recall mid-50s spell penetration was no-fail for drow orange names in motu content.

    While playing my bard (with no spell pen feats/items) I learned the shadar-kai also have spell resistance (at least some - but possibly all).

    Does anyone know what the spell pen requirements are for shadar-kai? Are there any orange-named enemies with exceptionally high spell resistance above the orange name drow priestesses?
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    Quote Originally Posted by slarden View Post
    I recall mid-50s spell penetration was no-fail for drow orange names in motu content.

    While playing my bard (with no spell pen feats/items) I learned the shadar-kai also have spell resistance (at least some - but possibly all).

    Does anyone know what the spell pen requirements are for shadar-kai? Are there any orange-named enemies with exceptionally high spell resistance above the orange name drow priestesses?
    I don't know of any shadar kai that have spell resistance myself, although it has been a while since I have run some ee's. The shadovars in ee wgu only need 46-48 for a no fail so orange named motu mobs still probably have some of the highest. The helmed horror's and a few other mobs in haunted halls may have higher spell resistances.

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    EE CitW is probably the place where you want the most. About mid 50s sounds right. In the other drow content you are usually fine around 50 for most stuff.
    Helmed horrors have SR, but I don't think you can penetrate it (same like clay golems and whisps).

    Yuan-ti in 3BC also have some higher SR, but can't recall how much you need, haven't ran that much on my caster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eth View Post
    EE CitW is probably the place where you want the most. About mid 50s sounds right. In the other drow content you are usually fine around 50 for most stuff.
    Helmed horrors have SR, but I don't think you can penetrate it (same like clay golems and whisps).

    Yuan-ti in 3BC also have some higher SR, but can't recall how much you need, haven't ran that much on my caster.
    Ah yes I forgot about the yuan ti. I only run around a 41 spell pen but it only seems to hit those guys 50% of the time. Not sure on the numbers on those guys but I suppose it's up there around 50.

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    I think the current high Spell Pen requirement would be the Drow Shaidar-Kai knockoffs in Precious Cargo. CR 60+ or something...so 70+ Spell Resistance?

    For everything else, mid-50s should be golden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirValentine View Post
    I think the current high Spell Pen requirement would be the Drow Shaidar-Kai knockoffs in Precious Cargo. CR 60+ or something...so 70+ Spell Resistance?

    For everything else, mid-50s should be golden.
    Ah ok, this explains it - I didn't realize they were drow. Thank you and many thanks to everyone else for the replies also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirValentine View Post
    I think the current high Spell Pen requirement would be the Drow Shaidar-Kai knockoffs in Precious Cargo. CR 60+ or something...so 70+ Spell Resistance?

    For everything else, mid-50s should be golden.
    Don't know about these but I have never ever been able to land a spell on the Will-o'-Wisps and have no problems with orange named drows on EE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gempoult View Post
    Don't know about these but I have never ever was able to land a spell on the Will-o'-Wisps and have no problems with orange named drows on EE.
    Will-o'-Wisps have unreachable high SR. Same goes for clay golems and helmed horrors.
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    The spell resistance on those Drow from Precious Cargo is ridiculous because it's based on their inflated CR. Since majority of casters play shiradi there's really no reason to keep drow spell resistance so high.

    It doesn't help that player spell penetration doesn't scale with our level beyond 20 unless you're in a caster destiny. So a melee bard has virtually no chance to beat that even if it's pure.

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    Hm max needed, not sure.. But, Can we use necro wizard as an example? 28 spell pen for being lv28, 9 from past life, 3 from enhancement (archmage), 6 from magister (core), 3 from magister (piercing spellcraft), another + 3 from magister (master of the chosen school), 7 from thunder forge crafting and 8 from feats = 67 spell pen. What else are there.. I think 67 spell pen is pretty decent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelic-council View Post
    28 spell pen for being lv28.
    No. Try 20 for being 20 Wizard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJMC895610 View Post
    No. Try 20 for being 20 Wizard.
    yarp. lvs are a cruel jip be it dmg or saves.

    Also 59 pen from the loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodspeed View Post
    yarp. lvs are a cruel jip be it dmg or saves.

    Also 59 pen from the loss.
    doh... that's sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelic-council View Post
    What else are there..
    +1 Guild ship buff
    +2 Arcane Augmentation item
    +3 Arcanum enhancement (Sun Elf, Elf, Half-Elf)
    +3 twist from Draconic
    +2 twist from Fatesinger

    If you have a Bard helping, then maybe also:
    +3 Arcane Aid
    +1 Song of Arcane Might

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirValentine View Post
    +1 Guild ship buff
    +2 Arcane Augmentation item
    +3 Arcanum enhancement (Sun Elf, Elf, Half-Elf)
    +3 twist from Draconic
    +2 twist from Fatesinger

    If you have a Bard helping, then maybe also:
    +3 Arcane Aid
    +1 Song of Arcane Might
    Awesome, thank you. It seems like it's actually possible to get over 70 pen.

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