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    Thanks guys, I knew about green steel (and will look into the building process a bit later), but the named was news

    Next question - I just took my lvl 14 as fighter 2 and got improved crit, but I'm wondering if it actually worked, I can see it in feats etc, but my range remains at 18-20 (Swashbucking increasing the range by 2) - I'm sure I read it did stack but has that changed or is it just a stepping stone to overwhelming crit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpsack View Post
    Next question - I just took my lvl 14 as fighter 2 and got improved crit, but I'm wondering if it actually worked, I can see it in feats etc, but my range remains at 18-20 (Swashbucking increasing the range by 2) - I'm sure I read it did stack but has that changed or is it just a stepping stone to overwhelming crit?
    It shows in your drop down weapon menu in inventory

    But IC doesnt stack with keen - just as information

    My crit range is 15-20 on hand-axe with improved crit and swash

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    Hmn.. odd yesterday no matter how many times I exited inventory etc it was the same, today it reads 15-20 - so a very happy me and thank you very much for replying

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    Default Trying ahead

    I'll try 2 monk instead of 2 rogue after my etr, just to see result

    Any advice on alignment? - as monk can only be LG and LN

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGoettge View Post
    I'll try 2 monk instead of 2 rogue after my etr, just to see result
    Monks must be lawful; bards must be non-lawful. Just in case you were wondering why you don't see any monk-splashed Swashbucklers in game...

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    Curses, my 15 Paladin/3 Monk/3 Bard build is foiled!

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    Good that sorts it then

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    Default lv order

    If u plan on taking rouge first the d
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    Not having that bard lv early messed up the feats a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rull View Post
    Don't be fooled byt the axe of the unseen blow.
    Somehow it doesn't work for swashbuckling. Because turbine can't get it's code straight and let a handaxe count as a handaxe.
    This bug actually affected ALL named handaxes. Glad they fixed it.

    Side note: Axe of the Unseen Blow is the only named handaxe.

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    I level my build like this:

    RFBBB
    BFBBB
    BBBFB
    RFBFF

    Is that a bad choice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGoettge View Post
    I level my build like this:

    RFBBB
    BFBBB
    BBBFB
    RFBFF

    Is that a bad choice?
    I started rogue, which to me made a lot of sense, but took my fighter levels earlier (sadly I forget when) and got everything I needed.

    A question to some of you others - I'm at lvl 25 now and still loving it but all of a sudden if I'm in epic hard I seem to be dieing quickly, so wondered a lot about what gear you guys are running toward to top end.

    Still having fun with hand axes - generally running either something around level or a light blue from a level or two below - I've never yet seen the named one come up.

    Anyway any advice gratefully revived.

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    I pretty much solo so no intimidate. This build lets me cast 5th level bard spells (Greater Heroism).

    Stealth version below:
    Code:
    StealthDwarf
    13/4/3 Bard/Fighter/Rogue
    True Neutral Dwarf
    
    
    Level Order
    
    1. Rogue. . . . . .6. Fighter. . . . 11. Bard . . . . . 16. Bard
    2. Bard . . . . . .7. Rogue. . . . . 12. Bard . . . . . 17. Bard
    3. Bard . . . . . .8. Fighter. . . . 13. Bard . . . . . 18. Bard
    4. Fighter. . . . .9. Bard . . . . . 14. Bard . . . . . 19. Bard
    5. Fighter. . . . 10. Bard . . . . . 15. Bard . . . . . 20. Rogue
    
    
    Stats
    . . . . . . . .34pt . . 36pt . . Tome . . Level Up
    . . . . . . . .---- . . ---- . . ---- . . --------
    Strength. . . . 12. . . .12. . . .+2. . . .4: CON
    Dexterity . . . 12. . . .12. . . .+2. . . .8: CON
    Constitution. . 20. . . .20. . . .+2. . . 12: CON
    Intelligence. . 14. . . .14. . . .+2. . . 16: CON
    Wisdom. . . . . .8. . . .10. . . .+2. . . 20: CON
    Charisma. . . . 10. . . .10. . . .+2. . . 24: CON
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28: CON
    
    Skills
    . . . . . R. B. B. F. F. F. R. F. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. R
    . . . . . 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
    . . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
    Perform . 2. 3. 1. 1. 1. 1. . .1 .2 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .23
    Listen. . 4. 1. 1. . . . . .1 . . 1. 1. 1. 2. 2. 3. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    Bluff . . 4. 1. 1. . . . . .3 . . 1. 3. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    Balance . 4. 1. 1. . . . . .1 . . 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 3. 3. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    Hide. . . 4. . .2 . . . . . 1. . .1 .1 .3 .2 .2 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .23
    Move Si . 4. 1. 1. . . . . .4 . . 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    UMD . . . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    Heal. . . 2. . . . . . . . . . ½. . . . . . . . . . . . . 1. 1. 1.  .7
    Open Lo . 4. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4
    Jump. . . 3. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3
    Tumble. . 1. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1
    . . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
    . . . . .40. 8. 8. 4. 4. 4 11 .5 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 11
    
    
    Feats
    
    .1. . . . : Single Weapon Fighting
    .3. . . . : Power Attack
    .4 Fighter: Shield Mastery
    .5 Fighter: Cleave
    .6. . . . : Great Cleave
    .8 Fighter: Improved Single Weapon Fighting
    .9. . . . : Quicken Spell
    12. . . . : Improved Shield Mastery
    15. . . . : Greater Single Weapon Fighting
    18. . . . : Improved Critical: Piercing
    21 Epic . : Empower Healing Spell
    24 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
    26 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
    27 Epic . : Epic Reflexes
    28 Destiny: Perfect Single Weapon Fighting
    A trap version below:
    Code:
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    12/5/3 Bard/Fighter/Rogue
    True Neutral Dwarf
    
    
    Level Order
    
    1. Rogue. . . . . .6. Fighter. . . . 11. Bard . . . . . 16. Bard
    2. Bard . . . . . .7. Rogue. . . . . 12. Bard . . . . . 17. Bard
    3. Fighter. . . . .8. Fighter. . . . 13. Bard . . . . . 18. Bard
    4. Fighter. . . . .9. Bard . . . . . 14. Bard . . . . . 19. Bard
    5. Fighter. . . . 10. Bard . . . . . 15. Bard . . . . . 20. Rogue
    
    
    Stats
    . . . . . . . .34pt . . 36pt . . Tome . . Level Up
    . . . . . . . .---- . . ---- . . ---- . . --------
    Strength. . . . 12. . . .12. . . .+2. . . .4: CON
    Dexterity . . . 12. . . .12. . . .+2. . . .8: CON
    Constitution. . 20. . . .20. . . .+2. . . 12: CON
    Intelligence. . 14. . . .14. . . .+4. . . 16: CON
    Wisdom. . . . . .8. . . .10. . . .+2. . . 20: CON
    Charisma. . . . 10. . . .10. . . .+2. . . 24: CON
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28: CON
    
    Skills
    . . . . . R. B. F. F. F. F. R. F. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. R
    . . . . . 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
    . . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
    Perform . 2. 3. . .1 .1 .1 . . . .4 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .23
    Disable . 4. . .1 . . . . . 5. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. ½. ½. 2. 23
    Search. . 4. . . . . . . . .6 .1 . . 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. . . . 3. 23
    Bluff . . 4. 1. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1. 2. 3. 6. 5. 1. 23
    Move Si . 4. 1. . . . . . . . . . . . . 2. 3. 3. 3. 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    UMD . . . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. . . . 3. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    Open Lo . 4. ½. . . . . . . . .½ . . . . . . . . . .½ .½ . . . . . 2. .8
    Balance . 4. 1. . . . . . . . . . . .1 .1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .7
    Jump. . . 3. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1 . . .4
    Heal. . . 2. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2
    Tumble. . 1. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1
    . . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
    . . . . .40. 8. 4. 4. 4. 4 11 .5 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 .9 10 10 10 10 10 12
    
    
    Feats
    
    .1. . . . : Single Weapon Fighting
    .3. . . . : Power Attack
    .3 Fighter: Shield Mastery
    .4 Fighter: Cleave
    .6. . . . : Quicken Spell
    .6 Fighter: Great Cleave
    .9. . . . : Improved Single Weapon Fighting
    12. . . . : Improved Shield Mastery
    15. . . . : Greater Single Weapon Fighting
    18. . . . : Improved Critical: Piercing
    21 Epic . : Empower Healing Spell
    24 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
    26 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
    27 Epic . : Epic Reflexes
    28 Destiny: Perfect Single Weapon Fighting
    Precision based below:
    Code:
    PrecisionDwarf
    13/4/3 Bard/Fighter/Rogue
    True Neutral Dwarf
    
    
    Level Order
    
    1. Rogue. . . . . .6. Bard . . . . . 11. Bard . . . . . 16. Bard
    2. Bard . . . . . .7. Rogue. . . . . 12. Fighter. . . . 17. Bard
    3. Bard . . . . . .8. Fighter. . . . 13. Bard . . . . . 18. Bard
    4. Bard . . . . . .9. Bard . . . . . 14. Fighter. . . . 19. Bard
    5. Bard . . . . . 10. Fighter. . . . 15. Bard . . . . . 20. Rogue
    
    
    Stats
    . . . . . . . .34pt . . 36pt . . Tome . . Level Up
    . . . . . . . .---- . . ---- . . ---- . . --------
    Strength. . . . 12. . . .12. . . .+2. . . .4: CON
    Dexterity . . . 12. . . .12. . . .+2. . . .8: CON
    Constitution. . 20. . . .20. . . .+2. . . 12: CON
    Intelligence. . 14. . . .14. . . .+4. . . 16: CON
    Wisdom. . . . . .8. . . .10. . . .+2. . . 20: CON
    Charisma. . . . 10. . . .10. . . .+2. . . 24: CON
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28: CON
    
    Skills
    . . . . . R. B. B. B. B. B. R. F. B. F. B. F. B. F. B. B. B. B. B. R
    . . . . . 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
    . . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
    Perform . 2. 3. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. . .2 . . 2. . .2 . . 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    Disable . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    Open Lo . 4. . . . . . . . .6 .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ .½ .1 .2 .½ . . . .6 .23
    Search. . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    UMD . . . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. . .2 . . 2. . .2 . . 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
    Balance . 4. . .2 .1 .1 .1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3 .4 .4 .1 .21
    Haggle. . 4. . . . . . . 1. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .5
    Swim. . . 4. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4
    Heal. . . 2. . . . ½. ½. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3
    Jump. . . 3. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3
    Tumble. . 1. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1
    . . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
    . . . . .40. 8. 8. 8. 8. 8 11 .5 .9 .5 .9 .5 .9 .5 10 10 10 10 10 12
    
    
    Feats
    
    .1. . . . : Single Weapon Fighting
    .3. . . . : Precision
    .6. . . . : Shield Mastery
    .8 Fighter: Weapon Focus: Piercing
    .9. . . . : Power Critical
    10 Fighter: Improved Single Weapon Fighting
    12. . . . : Improved Critical: Piercing
    14 Fighter: Greater Single Weapon Fighting
    15. . . . : Improved Shield Mastery
    18. . . . : Quicken Spell
    21 Epic . : Empower Healing Spell
    24 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
    26 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
    27 Epic . : Epic Reflexes
    28 Destiny: Perfect Single Weapon Fighting
    Last edited by Warbler; 06-07-2015 at 02:51 AM.

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    Here is a trapper variant i have been running for quite a while now on one toon.

    That toon has no relevant pastlifes (only one rog and fVs), and can get most trap except in high level EE quests. This is an "optimized" version with better trapping skills (search mainly) than what i was running so far, made because i'm currently leveling a second toon with this build (the tomes listed are just what he currently has). Perhaps somebody finds it useful.

    Requires +3 str tome and +4 int tome. Both tomes need to be read before HTR/LR.

    A few warnings and remarks:
    - Leveling a toon this way is rather unpleasant in the low to mid levels
    - Due to the low starting strength (to get int up) you have to wait till level 11 to take power attack when the +3 tome kicks in
    - Power attack at 11 means you have to take the fighter levels pretty late because of feat prereqs (power attack for cleave, BAB for IC, ...)
    - Stalwart stance earliest at level 12; this leaves your PRR/MRR lacking till then
    - Evasion at level 18, so be prepared for some...interesting...quest runs
    - Intim is "pretty low" - somewhere the skillpoints for search/disable have to come from - so perhaps not the best build if you want an intim-tank...
    - Open lock is also a quite low, but from my experience good enough for EE HH with a +20 item (not no-fail however).
    - Hide is not exactly the best option, but it is only 3 Skillpoints, not much use for these anywhere else (perhaps a rank in Spellcraft)
    - You could switch some skillpoints from jump to open lock, but i find jump at least as important

    Some notes on leveling:
    - skipping level 1 with daily dice xp helps
    - get the heaviest armor and biggest shield/wep you can find at level 2 - the fighter level allows you to use mostly anything (plate + tower shield + dwarven axe for example)
    - you get blur / displace pretty early...use it
    - best option: use a LR

    12/6/2 Bard/Fighter/Rogue
    True Neutral Dwarf

    Level Order
    1. Rogue . . . . . 6. Bard. . . . . .11. Fighter. . . . 16. Bard
    2. Fighter . . . . 7. Bard. . . . . .12. Fighter. . . . 17. Bard
    3. Bard . . . . . .8. Bard . . . . . 13. Fighter . . . .18. Rogue
    4. Bard . . . . . .9. Bard . . . . . 14. Fighter . . . .19. Bard
    5. Bard . . . . . 10. Bard . . . . . 15. Fighter . . . .20. Bard


    Stats
    . . . . . . . .36pt . . Tome . . Level Up
    . . . . . . . .---- . . ---- . . --------
    Strength. . . . 10. . . .+5. . . .4: CON
    Dexterity . . . 12. . . .+5. . . .8: CON
    Constitution. . 20. . . .+4. . . 12: CON
    Intelligence. . 16. . . .+4. . . 16: CON
    Wisdom. . . . . .8. . . .+4. . . 20: CON
    Charisma. . . . 10. . . .+4. . . 24: CON
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .28: CON


    Skills
    . . . . . R .F. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. F .F. F .F. F .B .B .R. B. B
    . . . . . 1 .2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
    . . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
    Perform . 2 . . 3. 1. 1. 1. 1. 2. 1. 1. . . . . . . . .3 .3 . . 2. 2. 23
    Disable . 4 .½. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1½ 1 .1 .1 . . ½ .½. . . . .4. ½. 1½ 23
    Search. . 4 .½. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1½ 1 .1 .1 . . ½ .½. ½ . ½ .½ .4. 1. 1. 23
    UMD . . . 4 . . 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. . . . . . . . .2 .2 . . 3. 3. 23
    Concent . 2 . . . .2 .2 .2 .1 .1 .2 .1 . . . . . . . . 3. 3. . .1 . . 20
    Balance . 4 . . . .1 .1 .1 .1 .2 .2 .1 . . . . . . . . 2. 2. . .2 .1 .20
    Intim . . 4 .1. . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 .3. 3 .1. 1 . . . . . . . . 18
    Open Lo . 4 .½. . . . . . . . . . . .½ . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . .10
    Jump. . . 4 .1. . . . . . . . . . . .1 .1. 1 .1. 1 . . . . . . . . . .10
    Hide. . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3
    Heal. . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2
    Tumble. . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1
    . . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
    . . . . .44 .5. 9. 9. 9. 9 10 10 10 10. 6 .6. 6 .6. 7 11 11 13 11 11


    Feats
    .1. . . . : Single Weapon Fighting
    .2 Fighter: Shield Mastery
    .3. . . . : Empower Healing Spell
    .6. . . . : Quicken Spell
    .9. . . . : Improved Single Weapon Fighting
    11 Fighter: Power Attack
    12. . . . : Cleave
    13 Fighter: Improved Critical: Slashing
    15. . . . : Great Cleave
    15 Fighter: Improved Shield Mastery
    18. . . . : Greater Single Weapon Fighting
    21 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
    24 Epic . : Toughness
    26 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
    27 Epic . : Epic Reflexes
    28 Destiny: Perfect Single Weapon Fighting
    Active: Taceus [Brd/Ftr/Rog 12/6/2e2 Swashbuckler, Thelanis]
    Semi-active: Ithira Kh'thzar [Pal/FvS 3/6, Thelanis] | Delig [Brd/Ftr/Rog 12/6/2e8 Swashbuckler, Thelanis]
    Inactive: Broesel [Bar/Ftr 18/2e3, Thelanis]

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    Default Making 36 pt work

    I'm going from a 34 to 36 point build soon and I wanted to add to my trap build a way to get both intimidate and bluff. I'm going with an odd intelligence stat to make the odd ability tome levels work in my favor to do this. The 4 fighter levels are necessary for intimidate and the 4 rogue levels are also required for skills. Minimum tome is a +4 or 5 int tome to pull this off along with a small strength tome early. I was 13/4/3 bard/fighter/rogue. This new build I'm giving up bard 5th level spells (greater hero) which I'll use a scroll. I'm gaining increased base attack speed from going from a 19 to 20 BAB (little over 1%).

    Code:
    12/4/4 Bard/Fighter/Rogue
    True Neutral Dwarf
    
    
    Level Order
    
    1. Rogue           6. Fighter        11. Rogue          16. Fighter
    2. Bard            7. Bard           12. Bard           17. Bard
    3. Fighter         8. Bard           13. Bard           18. Rogue
    4. Bard            9. Bard           14. Bard           19. Bard
    5. Bard           10. Fighter        15. Bard           20. Rogue
    
    
    Stats
                   36pt     Tome     Level Up
                   ----     ----     --------
    Strength        12       +5       4: CON
    Dexterity       12       +5       8: CON
    Constitution    20       +5      12: CON
    Intelligence    15       +5      16: CON
    Wisdom           8       +5      20: CON
    Charisma        10       +5      24: CON
                                     28: CON
    
    Skills
              R  B  F  B  B  F  B  B  B  F  R  B  B  B  B  F  B  R  B  R
              1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
             ------------------------------------------------------------
    Perform   2  3     2  1     2  1  1        3  1  1  1     2     2  1  23
    Disable   4     1     1  1        1     6           1        5     3  23
    Search    4  ½  ½     ½        1½ ½  ½  6        1  1        5     2  23
    Bluff     4  1     1  2     1  2  1           2  3  1     2     2  1  23
    Intim     4     2        3           4                 6     2     2  23
    Hide      4  1     2  1     2  1  1           4  1  1     2     2  1  23
    Move Si   4  1     2  1     2  1  1        3  1  1  1     2     2  1  23
    UMD       4  1     2  1     2  1  1        3  1  1  1     2     2  1  23
    Balance   4                       1        1  1  1  1                  9
    Open Lo   4                                                            4
    Tumble                                                          1      1
             ------------------------------------------------------------
             40  8  5  9  9  5  9  9  9  5 12 10 10 10 10  6 10 12 11 13
    
    
    Feats
    
     1        : Single Weapon Fighting
     3        : Power Attack
     3 Fighter: Shield Mastery
     6        : Cleave
     6 Fighter: Great Cleave
     9        : Improved Single Weapon Fighting
    12        : Improved Shield Mastery
    15        : Greater Single Weapon Fighting
    16 Fighter: Improved Critical: Piercing
    18        : Quicken Spell
    21 Epic   : Empower Healing Spell
    24 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
    26 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
    27 Epic   : Epic Reflexes
    28 Destiny: Perfect Single Weapon Fighting
    Last edited by Warbler; 08-16-2015 at 04:38 PM.

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