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    Default It's time to allow Hirelings in Raids

    We can all agree it's not game breaking. If anything, it actually makes the raid harder with the current hireling AI.

    It's a way to help fill raid groups with our current server populations. (and it's an easy fix that devs can do in no time)
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    I'm no pro raider, though I do enjoy it when I get the chance to run one, but definitely not signed on this suggestion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walkin_dude View Post
    I'm no pro raider, though I do enjoy it when I get the chance to run one, but definitely not signed on this suggestion.
    Why not? I'm honestly interested in your opinion.

    • Do you think it's over powered?
    • What do you think of the wait times to fill raid groups?
    • Are you on a high population server? (do they even exist now? heh)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorian View Post
    Why not? I'm honestly interested in your opinion.

    • Do you think it's over powered?
    • What do you think of the wait times to fill raid groups?
    • Are you on a high population server? (do they even exist now? heh)
    I've got to agree, raids would be more solo-able with hires, and I don't know if it's just me, but I feel that raids are a different level of the game, with more restrictions, and therefore making it harder. I feel that raids are the games way of bringing those elitist soloist loners back with other people, because they can't do raids alone. I like the no hireling rule, though there have been times where it flusters me .

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    Can't quit thinking about a squad of hires in the red dragons raid It would be a "ding" after another!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorian View Post
    Why not? I'm honestly interested in your opinion.

    • Do you think it's over powered?
    • What do you think of the wait times to fill raid groups?
    • Are you on a high population server? (do they even exist now? heh)
    While I agree they would not be overpowered and server populations are low, I am also against allowing them in raids.

    My main argument is raids are suppossed to be a social, grouping aspect of the game involving large groups of players requiring careful team coordination. Hirelings go against that precident. That are not social and they have huge limitations on roles they can assume.

    Besides, you rarely if ever need a specific class anymore - self-healing in particular is easy for anyone to get now.

    And remember there are always a variety of difficulty levels so a weaker group can run a raid on Normal if they can't handle Hard/Elite without a dedicated healer, ect.

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    It's because of the healer Ai that it should never happen. Some raids like Tempest spine and Shroud you could get away with, but raids like MA, LoB, ToD, Deathwyrm and Fire would be a nightmare, especially for the poor person having to control the hireling. We would spend half the time babysitting the hireling and not watching what is happening to our own avatar causing a chance of 2 members of the raid from being killed, and in the case of Deathwyrm, 2 wraiths spawning.

    It really isn't worth the effort, you'll be better of short manning.
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    NO NO I wish you could as party leader check a box to disallow them in any group start. I hate the darn things and think they are the worst thing ever added to the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorian View Post
    Why not? I'm honestly interested in your opinion.

    • Do you think it's over powered?
    • What do you think of the wait times to fill raid groups?
    • Are you on a high population server? (do they even exist now? heh)
    I honestly would not care one way or the other.

    I do think if hirelings were aloud in raids then the raid leader needs to be able to dismiss hirelings even ones that are not their own I have seen too many players who don't ask and then don't dismiss when asked during regular questing.

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    Lol, no.

    Just think it all the way through.
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    Only if they can loot the chests too (and trade me their loots).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uska View Post
    NO NO I wish you could as party leader check a box to disallow them in any group start. I hate the darn things and think they are the worst thing ever added to the game.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oxarhamar View Post
    I do think if hirelings were aloud in raids then the raid leader needs to be able to dismiss hirelings even ones that are not their own I have seen too many players who don't ask and then don't dismiss when asked during regular questing.
    yeah, we all hate the guy that joins a group... doesn't ask anyone and calls a hire (had a guy call out the worthless owlbear and a cleric hire the other day). There should be a mechanic for the group leader to dismiss all hires.

    But I don't think it would be over-powered or anything "if the group decides beforehand" to allow hires in raids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackdae View Post
    Can't quit thinking about a squad of hires in the red dragons raid It would be a "ding" after another!
    group leader instructions.... Hires take 3rd base! lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorian View Post
    group leader instructions.... Hires take 3rd base! lol
    Sending two hireling to do goggles.

    just see them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorian View Post
    group leader instructions.... Hires take 3rd base! lol
    Now I'm starting to change my mind... that would make a great youtube video: "VoN 6 EE - 11 hires and me". Lol

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    Default What is this? Troll DDO Forums with bad ideas Month?

    I've never seen more people posting horrible ideas than I have in the last couple of weeks.

    Oh well...at least it's good for some laughs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxxcore View Post
    "VoN 6 EE - 11 hires and me".
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    Maxxcore pretty much summed up my opinion.

    I have no particular beef with soloists, but by the same token my roots are in pnp rpgs from 30-35 years ago. It's just my opinion, but I dislike seeing anti-social habits predominate this game, which is the only remnant I have left from the old days.
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    Umm...no

    This is another slippery slope. If you allow hires then were does it end? Eventually you would get to the point where people are rez caking their way to completion. Raids are ment to be more difficult and force people to group. Instead of asking for this why don't you join a guild that runs raids? or team up with another couple guilds and run raids together.....or gasp put up an LFM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walkin_dude View Post
    Maxxcore pretty much summed up my opinion.

    I have no particular beef with soloists, but by the same token my roots are in pnp rpgs from 30-35 years ago. It's just my opinion, but I dislike seeing anti-social habits predominate this game, which is the only remnant I have left from the old days.
    The antisoc habits come from the players not from the hirelings. Hirelings are that much more awesome, they dont ragequit, criticize your build, start lame disco music in voice chat, they dont come to the forums to complain or other annoying stuff.

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