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    Why do ogre mages not look like other ogres?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daitengu View Post
    Why do ogre mages not look like other ogres?
    That is a question I would like to ask the developers of the original art from D&D 1st ed. and AD&D 1st ed... Actually, I believe the Ogre Mages originally were depicted as a completely different race. They are modelled after the "ogre spirits" form the chinese (???) mythology. Maybe that´s why the Kara-Tur tribe has such nice far-eastern architecture buildings.

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    They are not ogres that happened to train as spell casters, they are a different race. They are based on the japanese mythological creature 'Oni'. Where ogres are based on... ogres.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daitengu View Post
    Why do ogre mages not look like other ogres?
    Why zombies don't look like skeletons?
    They're both undead.

    Difference between ogre and ogre mage is like difference between skeleton and zombie.

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    With the diffenrence that skeletons are not called zombies you genius. The ogre in orgre mages might hint towards ogres. Its very far from obvious that they are different races when they have the same name and live together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daitengu View Post
    With the diffenrence that skeletons are not called zombies you genius. The ogre in orgre mages might hint towards ogres. Its very far from obvious that they are different races when they have the same name and live together.
    Dogs share the same name and look immensely different.

    Carps and Sharks are both called "fish" - while in case of latter that is not even correct. And recent genetical research shows the classification "fish" is pretty much hogwash anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Algreg View Post
    Dogs share the same name and look immensely different.
    But this is not the case for all other ogres in the game including spellcasters. So the the ogre mages really stand out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Algreg View Post
    And recent genetical research shows the classification "fish" is pretty much hogwash anyway.
    I always thought it was strange that lobster was called fish, even though it looks more like a scorpion than a fish.

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    Yes english is very fuzzy about the term fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Algreg View Post

    The morale: you spend too much time pondering words.
    Do you mean moral, as in moral of the story?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Algreg View Post
    ... "fish" - ....
    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnbeimnech View Post
    ... fish, ... fish.
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    ... fish.
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    To someone not familiar with DnD lore, it would be natural to assume that Ogres and Ogres Mages were related, in that the Ogre Mages were probably the tribal shamans or warlocks. And you would get a nasty surprise - as many of us did the first time we encountered them. :-)

    But as someone above correctly pointed out, this is a fusion of Eastern and Western culture, with the Ogre Magi based on the Japanese Oni (demons) that can look similar to Ogres in some respects. I suspect that is where the inspiration came from.

    I'm not sure there is a rational reason for this one - might have just been one of those quirky fun things they did.
    I would hate to have to write an ecology article for this one! :-)

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    Pretty sure that way, way, way back in the day, the ogre mages were introduced with Add's Oriental Adventures. They look different because they come form a different region...and technically a different world since that was Greyhawk. Basically for the same reason some things look different in Evening Star. The real question is, why are they hanging out with their dirtier, less intelligent cousins?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tralfaz81 View Post
    Pretty sure that way, way, way back in the day, the ogre mages were introduced with Add's Oriental Adventures. They look different because they come form a different region...and technically a different world since that was Greyhawk. Basically for the same reason some things look different in Evening Star. The real question is, why are they hanging out with their dirtier, less intelligent cousins?
    Who's to say the other ogres are less intelligent, and not merely less advanced & educated? Maybe the ogre magi are like those social scientist types who like to get to know the indigenous tribes in the amazon rainforest etc? I expect they'll periodically present peer-reviewed papers declaring the necessity of protecting them from trespassers & unwanted influences, such as all those adventurers who arrive, start killing them & taking their stuff. Presumably the "monster" nation of Khorvaire is actually the real civilisation & that means that, oh noes, we're the true monsters!
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    Ogre Mage = Half reincarnated Ogre (failed true reincarnation, that's why he is still able to to run to other dimension)
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    Quote Originally Posted by tralfaz81 View Post
    Pretty sure that way, way, way back in the day, the ogre mages were introduced with Add's Oriental Adventures. They look different because they come form a different region...and technically a different world since that was Greyhawk. Basically for the same reason some things look different in Evening Star. The real question is, why are they hanging out with their dirtier, less intelligent cousins?
    All true, except that ogre magi predate "Oriental Adventures". Here is the picture of ogre mage from 1st edition Monster Manual (1979):

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    Quote Originally Posted by FuzzyDuck81 View Post
    Who's to say the other ogres are less intelligent, !
    The D&D Monster Manual says "The ogre mage is a more intelligent and dangerous variety of its mundane cousin."

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    Quote Originally Posted by moomooprincess View Post
    Whale Shark is the largest fish. It is not a whale or a shark.
    But...but....there's no such thing as a fish!
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    Quote Originally Posted by brian14 View Post
    All true, except that ogre magi predate "Oriental Adventures". Here is the picture of ogre mage from 1st edition Monster Manual (1979):

    Nice, completely forgot about that, but it's been a good 20 years since I've looked at any of the old books.

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