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    Quote Originally Posted by LeslieWest_GuitarGod View Post
    I have been reading these forums almost each day of it's existence. I certainly can't name 5 or 1O people with thousands of posts who never criticize/try to improve the game. Don't look at me, I have certainly criticized Turbine and offered suggestions for them to improve the game... both publicly, and through PMs through the years. Not sure who you are referring to here, tbh.

    As for merging servers - it's a reasonable request, but not the quick fix like you are assuming it would be. People don't like being uplifted from familiarity of their server/friends etc. Some people leave servers to "start new lives" on other servers. I have known people that QUIT playing DDO over past server mergers.
    No, I wasn't reffering to you, you seem quite cool. I'm sure people left over mergers, although I know no such folks. I know people who left due to low population however. I just don't want status quo for Wayfinder/Orien.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheuss View Post
    advertise *at all*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cathimon View Post
    I don't know why you find these threads useless. I think that the best games I play are the ones in which player input is given importance and considered.
    What other games do you "hardly ever play"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cathimon View Post
    No, I wasn't reffering to you, you seem quite cool. I'm sure people left over mergers, although I know no such folks. I know people who left due to low population however. I just don't want status quo for Wayfinder/Orien.
    Wayfinder seems to be just fine for those who call it home, nicht wahr?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cathimon View Post
    I don't know why you find these threads useless. I think that the best games I play are the ones in which player input is given importance and considered.
    I find them useless for several reasons.

    1.) The developers have no obligation to tell us anything about any subject. Thus all 'Let's Talk' type threads are kind of silly. And demands for information tend to get rightfully ignored anyway.

    2.) The developers have nothing to do with maintaining a player population. That job falls to Marketing, which is done by the publisher. And the publisher isn't always the same as the developer.

    3.) If a thread gets locked, it's because the thread is probably in violation of the forum rules. Either that, or it's devolved into such a state that it provides no purpose other then to host a flame war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Knight View Post
    I find them useless for several reasons.

    1.) The developers have no obligation to tell us anything about any subject. Thus all 'Let's Talk' type threads are kind of silly. And demands for information tend to get rightfully ignored anyway.

    2.) The developers have nothing to do with maintaining a player population. That job falls to Marketing, which is done by the publisher. And the publisher isn't always the same as the developer.

    3.) If a thread gets locked, it's because the thread is probably in violation of the forum rules. Either that, or it's devolved into such a state that it provides no purpose other then to host a flame war.
    You're right and I don't disagree with any of your points. I'm just saying it wouldn't kill them to show some transparency and interest to the player's inquiries.

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    The last several low pop threads to get closed, the reason was that there were already several low pop threads around, and the new ones were just cluttering the forum. Why do these people need to make 50 threads on one subject, instead of using the 10 already around?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cathimon View Post
    You're right and I don't disagree with any of your points. I'm just saying it wouldn't kill them to show some transparency and interest to the player's inquiries.
    Actually, given this subject matter, it could. I've told you this before. Market repercussions are a finicky thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cathimon View Post
    No, I wasn't reffering to you, you seem quite cool.
    Well thank you. And your request seems reasonable on the surface, however, you'll never get a reply for many good reasons.

    DDO population isnt what it was in its hayday. All long time players know this. Turbine has NOTHING more to prove. It has two things none of these recent MMO titles have. Complexity AND Longevity. Those two things right here are not comparable to newer F2P titles with such simplistic play. In a few weeks or months people are leaving, and most do not return.

    DDO has a loyal following like few others in the genre because this game has proven RE-PLAYABILITY... something most new F2P publishing companies are far more fearful than Turbine to discuss openly.
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    Wayfinder was quite empty in its begining and it still is. It was a mistake on their part to introduce this server and it's just being sturbborn to refuse to allow transfers out of it or merge it. There are players who were hopeful in its early days and joined and stayed.

    I don't expect them to ever admit that they failed. But even though I'm losing faith, I still wait for the day the devs do something. I am not one to yell doom, but I'm the kind of perso that like to think we can improve a game even though it's old and compete and bring back lost soldiers through sensible actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cathimon View Post
    just tell us what's the consensus among yourselves about the low population? Just tell us once and for all and maybe people like me will stop wasting our time trying to get something done about this issue.
    In b4 locked lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiliconScout View Post
    LOL the dude is from Quebec ... it's not awesome it's ingrained, the way the world works for la belle Province.
    I literally LOL'd while taking a drink.... you owe me a new keyboard!

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    Just another bit of my opinion before I abandon this thread like it has the plague.

    If I were to call up my cable company and demand of a technician what the concensus or plan is to deal with low cable subscriber numbers, I'd get laughed at. It's not the technician's job to worry about this. Nor is it in the technitian's job description to tell customers the company's thoughts on the subject. If I went to a department store and demanded of a cashier what the store plans to do about lack of sales for a specific item, I'm demanding information from the wrong person.

    This is the same thing as coming to these forums and demanding the developers working to create new content and fix bugs for what they plan to do about low server populations. You're demanding information from the wrong person. Demanding this information from a community rep in the forums is also demanding it of the wrong person. The community rep is a PR position. They share the information they are allowed to share. A moderator isn't going to have the authority to give this information either. And if you think the marketing department of Turbine is going to cave in to the demands of a few people on the forums, forums they may not even read...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Knight View Post
    Just another bit of my opinion before I abandon this thread like it has the plague.

    If I were to call up my cable company and demand of a technician what the concensus or plan is to deal with low cable subscriber numbers, I'd get laughed at. It's not the technician's job to worry about this. Nor is it in the technitian's job description to tell customers the company's thoughts on the subject. If I went to a department store and demanded of a cashier what the store plans to do about lack of sales for a specific item, I'm demanding information from the wrong person.

    This is the same thing as coming to these forums and demanding the developers working to create new content and fix bugs for what they plan to do about low server populations. You're demanding information from the wrong person. Demanding this information from a community rep in the forums is also demanding it of the wrong person. The community rep is a PR position. They share the information they are allowed to share. A moderator isn't going to have the authority to give this information either. And if you think the marketing department of Turbine is going to cave in to the demands of a few people on the forums, forums they may not even read...

    Well then, I've got a great deal on a bridge in London for you.
    I thought they moved that bridge to Lake Havasu.

    So maybe we should all buy some shares in WB, then make this demand at a shareholders meeting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Knight View Post
    Just another bit of my opinion before I abandon this thread like it has the plague.

    If I were to call up my cable company and demand of a technician what the concensus or plan is to deal with low cable subscriber numbers, I'd get laughed at. It's not the technician's job to worry about this. Nor is it in the technitian's job description to tell customers the company's thoughts on the subject. If I went to a department store and demanded of a cashier what the store plans to do about lack of sales for a specific item, I'm demanding information from the wrong person.

    This is the same thing as coming to these forums and demanding the developers working to create new content and fix bugs for what they plan to do about low server populations. You're demanding information from the wrong person. Demanding this information from a community rep in the forums is also demanding it of the wrong person. The community rep is a PR position. They share the information they are allowed to share. A moderator isn't going to have the authority to give this information either. And if you think the marketing department of Turbine is going to cave in to the demands of a few people on the forums, forums they may not even read...

    Well then, I've got a great deal on a bridge in London for you.
    I am not sure I understood what you just wrote... I asked my cable company, videotron, if they planned on expending their network so that I can get internet and mobile services at my chalet in the Laurentian mountains. They told me not in the near future, so I said thank you sir and then I called Rogers and Bell and got my services from them.

    Surely somebody at Turbine can tell me if they are planning on merging/allowing free transfers for Wayfinder so that I can shower them with some more canadian dollars.

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    Mark Kern, of Red 5 Studios said one of the smartest things I've ever heard a publishing studio PR guy state.

    "The main thing we lose when lowering the difficulty curve is a sense of achievement. When the bar is lowered so that everyone can reach max level quickly, it makes getting to max level the only sense of accomplishment in the game. We lose the whole journey in between…Every MMO that follows the WoW formula is a trivial exercise, dominated by rote and convention, trading off the joy of the journey for a series of meaningless tasks. And when we race to the end, we expect some kind of miracle end-game that will keep us playing. It never does."



    We feel this in DDO, but in my opinion, we are still among the most complex compared to the newest breed of MMOs. You can absolutely still enjoy the journey in DDO. That's why I feel DDO STILL HAS it's place in the MMO landscape. And I believe we have quite a bit more time left - YES even with the recent dumbing down of the game.

    I would sell THIS RE-PLAYABILITY/COMPLEXITY angle of DDO to the gaming community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cathimon View Post
    I am not sure I understood what you just wrote... I asked my cable company, videotron, if they planned on expending their network so that I can get internet and mobile services at my chalet in the Laurentian mountains. They told me not in the near future, so I said thank you sir and then I called Rogers and Bell and got my services from them.

    Surely somebody at Turbine can tell me if they are planning on merging/allowing free transfers for Wayfinder so that I can shower them with some more canadian dollars.
    Would those be the pretty, gold-plated ones the size of quarters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tscheuss View Post
    Would those be the pretty, gold-plated ones the size of quarters?
    No, it's the green bills with the old hag Elizabeth II's face printed on them, despite the fact that nobody cares about the royals in this country anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cathimon View Post
    I am not sure I understood what you just wrote... I asked my cable company, videotron, if they planned on expending their network so that I can get internet and mobile services at my chalet in the Laurentian mountains. They told me not in the near future, so I said thank you sir and then I called Rogers and Bell and got my services from them.

    Surely somebody at Turbine can tell me if they are planning on merging/allowing free transfers for Wayfinder so that I can shower them with some more canadian dollars.
    Gah, one last post... You asked your cable company's SALES REP a question they are authorized to answer. Did you go to a different department of the cable company, and demand answers for things that department has nothing to do with? Which is what threads like this are doing.

    They demand information from code monkeys and PR reps that the marketing department is in charge of. Information the PR rep probably doesn't have authorization to provide, and the code monkeys likely don't know. You know, since they're busy working on improving the game's code and writing new code for new features/content.

    Here's an example of the difference from not too long ago. City of Heroes had still been going strong at the time of it's being shut down. Sure, server populations were lower then they had been in it's prime, but the game was still going strong. NCSoft's marketing people told the developers in Paragon Studios the game was receiving full support. Paragon Studios worked on and released some more paid content for the game. And a day after this new content was launched, Marketing announced that the game would be shut down permanently in one month's time, with no payments being accepted for cash shop currency or subscription any longer. This was done so that funds could be allocated to a different studio that was working on a project. A studio which at the time was just a money sink. No one at Paragon Studios had known this was going to happen, they were told to keep working on the game. The community rep Cuppa Jo hadn't known this, she'd been told the game was still going strong. It caught everyone who had any contact with the game's forum community as completely off guard as it did the players.

    Does THIS illustrate the difference between developers, community reps, and the people who make decisions about marketing? If not, maybe you can't grasp the concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Knight View Post
    If not, maybe you can't grasp the concept.
    The op was already told this point blank in a different thread before your own. Make your own decisions.

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