No one in the world ever gets what they want
And that is beautiful
Everybody dies frustrated and sad
And that is beautiful
At Will" employment contract. This contract means that you can quit at any time for any reason or no reason at all with or without any warning, it is protected right for the employee so that an employer can't force you to come to work if you don't want to. On the flip side of that, the "at will" contract also means the Company can fire you at any time for any reason or no reason at all, with or without any warning.
"You're just not fitting in here" is enough of a reason to fire you, and there is not a thing you can do about it, beyond maybe... collect unemployment.
Now, if they want to be mean, They can claim that you made a coworker feel threatened, or that you were insubordinate with management.. kiss your job and possibly your unemployment goodbye for that one, as Unemployment is normally reserved for people who were let go on good terms.
So I have no idea where your pipe dreams come from about retiring off getting fired, but, cling man .. cling.
Note: You don't actually have to sign an at-will contract, the basic employment contract will typically state "So-n-So's an At-Will employer" and upon signing that, you accept the terms and conditions of being at-will. There might be a description of what that is somewhere on the contract, normally on the back, maybe in the handbook, or pile of papers they give you, or maybe posted in the break room, or some place visible, next to the OSHA, EoE Workman's Comp, Etc, posters, if you want to read it, and since you think this way, you might want to stop and read it someday.
Last edited by Ungood; 04-20-2014 at 11:24 PM. Reason: added the Note:
Originally Posted by Towrn
Now, if you were high enough up the food chain to have the cash on hand to fling at frivolous lawsuits like that, there is a good chance you would not do it anyway, you would take the dismissal on the chin with a smile, ask for a recommendation for your next job as you walked out the door, and grow up some before starting your next job.
Meh, I think we're at irreconcilable differences at this point. Just fundamentally too far apart. I'll keep on using words that are not inherently offensive and deal with the petulant objections of the ignorant as they arise. You keep censoring yourself in an attempt to avoid offending anyone and still deal with the petulant objections of the ignorant you didn't anticipate. First one to heaven wins.
Originally Posted by Towrn
The Lawyers and HR department would say: "we received several complaints that he was using a word that sounded similar to a racial slur, these employees expressed that it made the feel uncomfortable that he was using this word. We explained to him that this word had a phonetic similarity to a very derogatory racial slur and would no longer be allowed for acceptable use on company time or company grounds, he began a tirade of insults belittling his co-workers calling them among other things, ignorant, and expressed complete refusal to refrain from using this word that he knew would make his coworkers feel undue duress. He made it clear that he would refuse to heed our company policy, and expressed that he should have zero responsibility promoting a productive safe and comfortable working environment, thus we had to terminate his employment"
There is nothing you're going to do with that, a Judge would throw that out and laugh at you and may even fine you for frivolous lawsuits in the Stats.
You would never hold a job with that attitude in the stats, but then again, that might explain why American is a main superpower in the word, we don't put with that kind of self adsorbed petulant ******** by anyone.
I think a lot of people have illusions on how secure their job is, if you live in a free country, where companies are autonomous, which is most if not all industrial countries in the world, if they want to get rid of you, they will get rid of you.
There was a process I went through to try to understand why it was such a problem in the first place. There were a few who objected to it, more who defended it, and others who simply addressed the topic of the thread. Also, there is the possibility I took this too personally when certain posters claimed I said this or that about it when I never even went off-topic in that thread. Anyway, when I got done with my schoolwork, I developed a plan to fix the problem.
1) Define the problem. Some people object to my use of the word "niggardly". Why?
-- Hypothesis 1. I do not know what the word means (ignorance).
-- Hypothesis 2. They do not know what the word means (ignorance).
-- Hypothesis 3. They know what the word means, and they are trolling (malice).
2) Determine a solution.
-- Solution 1. How do I fix my ignorance? Education. Research the word, and determine whether there exists an offensive definition or usage.
-- Solution 2. How do I fix their ignorance? Education. Provide a summary of the results of my research in an Off Topic thread.
-- Solution 3. How do I fix their trolling? Undefined.
3) Implement solutions.
-- Results 1. No offensive meanings found (original or adapted). A handful of "controversies" concerning usage were discovered, but they were too diffuse in place, time, and result to be significant, as well as presenting an inadequate sample size.
-- Results 2. Uncertain. I cannot tell whether anyone who once believed "niggardly" was a racial slur now knows it to be free of offensive meaning, or if they even care.
-- Results 3. Unattainable.
Again, a rational individual would read the original thread title and come to one of two conclusions:
1) Sincere meaning, and go from there, ignoring the word choice.
2) Trolling, and refuse to feed it. Again ignoring the word choice.
Unfortunately, that does leave one dealing with folks less likely to rigidly enforce their own behavior in terms of pure logic, and that does make up a sizable portion of the populous at large. That leaves you with 3 choices:
1) Apologize regardless of your intent. (Take this route, and you'll be doing it forever.)
2) Engage emotion with reason, or more emotion. (See point 1)
3) Carry on with the conversation despite the interjections. (aka: Life's rough, get a helmet.)
Synonym Discussion of STINGY
Stingy, close, niggardly, parsimonious, penurious, miserly mean being unwilling or showing unwillingness to share with others. Stingy implies a marked lack of generosity <a stingy child, not given to sharing>. Close suggests keeping a tight grip on one's money and possessions <folks who are very close when charity calls>. Niggardly implies giving or spending the very smallest amount possible <the niggardly amount budgeted for the town library>. Parsimonious suggests a frugality so extreme as to lead to stinginess <a parsimonious lifestyle notably lacking in luxuries>. Penurious implies niggardliness that gives an appearance of actual poverty <the penurious eccentric bequeathed a fortune>. Miserly suggests a sordid avariciousness and a morbid pleasure in hoarding <a miserly couple devoid of social conscience>. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stingy)
Given these descriptions, I wonder which one best fits a discussion on the rarity of stat tome drops.
If nothing else, I learned a lot from these discussions. In trying to find the best way to solve a problem, I did a lot of research in directions I hadn't yet taken.
I was trying to follow #3, but someone I liked included a comment in a PM that "It seems clear that your intention has been to provoke from the start", and my heart just sank. I think that is when I was sure I had to fix it and prove I wasn't trolling, but I don't seem to have done a very good job of it.
Obvious troll thread is obvious
and the white knights jumping on it are ridiculous.
If you meant to educate people, you would have left after the thread starter (because it explained the word), you didn't have to reply to everyone who disagreed with you to generate more responses and blow this out of proportion.
Last edited by Ykt; 04-21-2014 at 04:59 AM.
I get that some people might use certain words to bug other people. Is it any different to accuse someone without knowing their intent?
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