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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    They are a blight on our game and need to go.
    The same can be said of bugs.

    Getting rid of both would make for a much better game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner folks!

    And those certain people are already on Llama doing what they do, looking for ways to exploit the new code.

    This is never going to stop until we get rid of those certain people forever. Until then the majority of the DDO Community will have to continue to 'pay' for content being shut down or not available because of a minority of players that continually look for ways to exploit the system. And they say that exploiting does not hurt anyone - say that to all the people that can't turn in Saga's or go the Dragonmark Hall this time around.

    They are a blight on our game and need to go.
    Those "certain people" will always look for exploits - and basically that is OK, as long as those "certain people" would report their findings to the devs. After all they usually have deeper knowledge about the metamechanics of the game than the devs themselves. Alas, these "certain people" will only share their findings in "certain forums that must not be named" and that´s it. If I were a dev or a community manager I would check to join these "certain forums" and pick up on anything they tell me there...

    Those "certain people" will always exist. Sadly these people only have their own gain in mind, not to make the game better overall. It would be nice having them working for the game instead of against it.

    Why not issuing a Lam testing benefits and reward system. Like "find an exploit, report it and the first to report the exploit in a form we can reproduce it get´s a 100 TP code by mail". Would give all those "certain people" some incentive to finally do something for the community, and not against. Ofc, this means that Turbine needs to fix the bug / exploit too before going life...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fTdOmen View Post
    The same can be said of bugs.

    Getting rid of both would make for a much better game.
    Agreed!

    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner folks!

    And those certain people are already on Llama doing what they do, looking for ways to exploit the new code.

    This is never going to stop until we get rid of those certain people forever. Until then the majority of the DDO Community will have to continue to 'pay' for content being shut down or not available because of a minority of players that continually look for ways to exploit the system. And they say that exploiting does not hurt anyone - say that to all the people that can't turn in Saga's or go the Dragonmark Hall this time around.

    They are a blight on our game and need to go.
    For once I agree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestroy View Post
    Those "certain people" will always look for exploits - and basically that is OK, as long as those "certain people" would report their findings to the devs. After all they usually have deeper knowledge about the metamechanics of the game than the devs themselves. Alas, these "certain people" will only share their findings in "certain forums that must not be named" and that´s it. If I were a dev or a community manager I would check to join these "certain forums" and pick up on anything they tell me there...

    Those "certain people" will always exist. Sadly these people only have their own gain in mind, not to make the game better overall. It would be nice having them working for the game instead of against it.

    Why not issuing a Lam testing benefits and reward system. Like "find an exploit, report it and the first to report the exploit in a form we can reproduce it get´s a 100 TP code by mail". Would give all those "certain people" some incentive to finally do something for the community, and not against. Ofc, this means that Turbine needs to fix the bug / exploit too before going life...
    If these exploits are so great and they are spending wads of time on Lama to find them do you really think they are going to give them up to turbine for 100TP, i find that highly unlikely, akin to paying a bounty hunter a dollar lol. However you do have a point and if the impact they are having on the game is costing turbine, then get serious about it..... 100,000TP and 2yrs VIP for a player who is first to confirm and detail an exploit, i would lay odds more then a few would get reported and it would cost turbine far less, but as usual that would just be common sense, something i find lacking at turbine of late.
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    Look well all know that many of these problems get reported on Lamm and still go live.

    What I wish they had the foresight to do in the beginning was offer some sort of bounty on bug reports. Anyone reporting a detailed bug with detailed enough steps to replicate gets some TP or A$ or hell even an XP pot. They of course would have to pair this with a culture that prioritizes the need to fix these bugs before they go live and staffing to reply to people who's reports are too generalized to qualify or assist them.

    Then once they have that bug reported, repeatable and rewarded put it up on a known issues list somewhere. once it's up there then no more rewards for reporting it.

    Alternately go ahead and keep handing them out (1 / bug / account) because if it's just XP pots say there isn't a real cost to them. Hell even if the bean counters want to assign a cost due to "lost sales" in a flawed reasoning that every one given away would have been purchased it is still FAR cheaper than even a single "problem" making it to live and the economy being flooded / trashed. Especially when the problem involves things like Shards or rare ingredients.


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    They don't fix the ones that are reported on lama now - some reported exploits from lama went live for months before being addressed.

    Why would they pay TP for more exploits they won't have time to fix?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nibor View Post
    They don't fix the ones that are reported on lama now - some reported exploits from lama went live for months before being addressed.

    Why would they pay TP for more exploits they won't have time to fix?
    NOTE that I said "They of course would have to pair this with a culture that prioritizes the need to fix these bugs before they go live and staffing to reply to people who's reports are too generalized to qualify or assist them."

    I kinda said that for a reason because they currently allow them to go live as I acknowledged in the very first sentence of my post.

    Also XP / Renown / slayer pots would be a better reward over TP.

    *Sheesh*


    To clarify: My post was wishful thinking on the culture and methods they could have adopted early on in DDO's life, and a tiny dig at it's not too late now.

    Then again who ever allows QA to actually impact or deviate release cycles right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestroy View Post
    Those "certain people" will always look for exploits - and basically that is OK, as long as those "certain people" would report their findings to the devs. After all they usually have deeper knowledge about the metamechanics of the game than the devs themselves. Alas, these "certain people" will only share their findings in "certain forums that must not be named" and that´s it. If I were a dev or a community manager I would check to join these "certain forums" and pick up on anything they tell me there...

    Those "certain people" will always exist. Sadly these people only have their own gain in mind, not to make the game better overall. It would be nice having them working for the game instead of against it.

    Why not issuing a Lam testing benefits and reward system. Like "find an exploit, report it and the first to report the exploit in a form we can reproduce it get´s a 100 TP code by mail". Would give all those "certain people" some incentive to finally do something for the community, and not against. Ofc, this means that Turbine needs to fix the bug / exploit too before going life...
    While that would be nice, they are not. They are actively looking for new exploits over there and ways to bypass the fixes to current exploits.

    These are NOT the type of people to find an exploit and report it. They are the type to find it and abuse it and share it with their 'community' and then complain when it is fixed and/or they get banned for exploiting.

    Oh, they are being read by Turbine of that we can be 100% sure! But it does not help much when they are allowed to continue to do what they do at the detriment of the rest of us and use Llama to find more.

    Even if offered 10000 TP for reporting and confirming an exploit, they would not. They have far to much hate for DDO and Turbine to do something that would benefit anyone else but themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Perhaps the new tab is being made because of issues like this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seikojin View Post
    Perhaps the new tab is being made because of issues like this?
    Safe bet.

    As well as another fix to strip the exploiters of an opportunity to cheat. But 'these people' are bragging how they are using Llama to find a way around that too...

    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luvirini View Post
    15 minute timer occasionally not a bug?
    It's not 15 minutes and it's not occasionally/random at all, last time I checked it was somewhere between 60 and 180 seconds timer that still doesn't have a display so it seems longer. And pretty sure it's WAI to stop "beautiful" things from happening

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    I think it's apples and oranges guys...

    "Edit: and to add to the annoyance the gather button occasionally working as "take out from bag" button just adds insult to injury."

    This happens as well. It has nothing to do with timers at all.

    Other than that, more than once my bags only gather after I logout and enter with the same toon again. That or the timer is of more than 20-30 minutes. If it is that long, it is simply ridiculous.

    Oh, if someone's bags work different... well, good for you. Not so much for me, however... because I'm stuck with gather once per session most of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Even if offered 10000 TP for reporting and confirming an exploit, they would not. They have far to much hate for DDO and Turbine to do something that would benefit anyone else but themselves.
    I doubt most care enough about Turbine to hate them. It's just how they find playing the game fun. It makes them good about themselves for outsmarting the devs, who themselves for the most part don't care that they are doing it as they are getting paid for quantity more than quality.

    I have a problem believing Turbine is interested in spending more making exploit free content than what the exploits cost them. Cheaper to just patch the few that are found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Even if offered 10000 TP for reporting and confirming an exploit, they would not. They have far to much hate for DDO and Turbine to do something that would benefit anyone else but themselves.
    While you may well be accurate for a few Hendrik are you actually painting everyone with the same brush??? I know of at least 2 players that continually tried to report these exploits on Lama, they went unheeded and were not responded to, nor acknowledged in anyway and eventually sent live. For their minds if turbine knows, does not care enough to fix it when told and sends it live regardless it is WAI and a useable feature and honestly how can you argue that logic??

    Turbine knows an exploit exists prior to going live, does not care enough to fix it, does not care enough to acknowledge players trying to help them find it, yet aggressively pursue those using said exploit when it does go live, how are people meant to be anything but confused.

    Personally i have a lot of angst, frustration and dare i say hate for turbine, however not for DDO, for me this stems from exploits going live they know about, not the people using them, what i see as a complete and utter lack of foresight in-game and i honestly wonder at times if they aren't staffed by toddlers with the constant mind-changes.

    Fact is Hendrik they reported these exploits for FREE and turbine didn't want to know, didn't even offer a thank you, so it is not surprising now that if turbine wants to know, no-one cares to help. All could have been prevented by turbine simply listening and acting at the time not months later after the economies are trashed and using a fix that punishes everyone and generally makes playing more annoying.
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