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    Default DDO Lamannia isnt working!!! Help!!!

    Alright so I installed lamannia(yes it was in a different folder) and when after I log in and you get to the part where you choose the server I get a message that says: Game Error [201] Can't open the data files. Check that they exist and that you have permission to write them. The program will exit now. [201]

    What the hell does this mean? I completely reset my computer to factory settings and wiped everything and reinstalled only lamannia and I still got the same message. Please someone help me.

    I have a Inspiron 15R touchscreen that uses Windows 8.

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    while this thread is more recent than the other one, it is still the wrong place to ask this. technically you would have better luck to start your own thread.

    HOWEVER, that being said... i will say this: DDO is not 100% supported for win8 yet, altho i know some people are already playing on win8. based on the error you received, my first thing to check would be to make sure you are using "run as administrator" (or whatever the win8 equivalent is, if different) when you launch the game. might also want to check the files and make sure none of them are set to "read only"

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkTraveler View Post
    Or how little grace or common good manners some people have to say "thank you" when they get what they want.

    Thanks Cordovan for the information and changes being made.
    Your brown nosing is far more despicable than any "bad manners" seen in these threads.

    They got what they deserved with all this backlash. They don't need our thanks, just our money. Like any company, they are leeches, our money is the blood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarrell View Post
    Like any company, they are leeches, our money is the blood.
    Then why are you here? If companies are leeches, why give any business anything?

    Oh yeah... although you are loath to admit it, they have what you both want and need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImanCarrot View Post
    I have cancelled my account.

    Good luck in your future ventures.

    That's a 3 year player who runs 5 Guild who you just lost, I am suggesting to all my Guild members they do the same.
    Here, have some Kool-Aid.

    I bet you don't have any video card or audio chipset widgets running in your taskbar. No printer helpers or Java update reminders. Turbine decided to use a 3rd party application and service instead of making their own, inferior version. It doesn't use P2P. The same application has been used by Microsoft and Adobe. But, to each their own.

    Quote Originally Posted by nsromanzo View Post
    Alright so I installed lamannia(yes it was in a different folder) and when after I log in and you get to the part where you choose the server I get a message that says: Game Error [201] Can't open the data files. Check that they exist and that you have permission to write them. The program will exit now. [201]
    I'd pick up on the hint about permissions. Chances are you've put the client somewhere where you don't have the permissions to change anything as a normal user. Program Files might be one such place. You could try right clicking on the launcher and selecting "Run as Administrator".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImanCarrot View Post
    Peace too, But there is no way you could have read, for example, the whole of the EULA for Windows which you are operating... please tell me no, lol, you would be blind!

    Or dead old! even God ain't that old lol.
    Actually, I did. I've started reading EULAs this since I took business law where we studied one, this and another encounter with one application loading another that was buried in the EULA which my Anti-Virus complained about got me started. Plus I read pretty fast.

    In any case, you should understand that they make them long and at a high reading level just so you won't read them as they strip away your legal rights and give them to themselves. You might want to actually start to read one or two, its very enlightening.

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    Sad to see that Turbine still hasn't done anything about Akamai. I was hoping that when I got back from vacation I was going to be able to log in.

    I guess I'll be downloading a new MMO this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DakDeFrosted View Post
    Sad to see that Turbine still hasn't done anything about Akamai. I was hoping that when I got back from vacation I was going to be able to log in.

    I guess I'll be downloading a new MMO this week.
    Things have been done :

    The new Lammania update ( Patch 1 ) does not require akamai netsession to launch the game.
    Akamai will be like Pando was : you need it to install the game, once the game is installed you will be able to uninstall it and play without it running.

    Since it's already on Lammania, it should hit live in a few weeks.
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    Even tho DDO never came out with their reasoning behind using Akamai, I believe they have their heads in the CLOUDS.

    I believe Cloud Computing is the wave of the Future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thordicain View Post
    Even tho DDO never came out with their reasoning behind using Akamai, I believe they have their heads in the CLOUDS.

    I believe Cloud Computing is the wave of the Future.
    Yes, it is the wave of the future... but do you know what "cloud computing" actually is at the hardware level? In part, it's what Akamai is offering via their edge servers. So maybe it's a wave we might not want to surf and rather wait for the next one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMADHA View Post
    Yes, it is the wave of the future... but do you know what "cloud computing" actually is at the hardware level? In part, it's what Akamai is offering via their edge servers. So maybe it's a wave we might not want to surf and rather wait for the next one.
    Well, I just installed Office 2013 today via the Akamai servers and Office 2013 is strongly embedded into the Microsoft Cloud. And you know what? NetSession was not running afterwards. So it is safe to assume that if this ever got installed for getting Office 2013 rnning, it was safely deinstalled after Office 2013 ran.

    Comes DDO...

    OK, I have to admit, I now am allowed to deinstall the NetSession client after the update w/o getting noticed every single startup to reinstall the tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thordicain View Post
    Even tho DDO never came out with their reasoning behind using Akamai, I believe they have their heads in the CLOUDS.

    I believe Cloud Computing is the wave of the Future.
    Yes, they did.

    Cordovan clearly stated why they use it, of course that reason was clouded in the usual conspiracy theories by tinfoil hat aficionados.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestroy View Post
    Well, I just installed Office 2013 today via the Akamai servers and Office 2013 is strongly embedded into the Microsoft Cloud. And you know what? NetSession was not running afterwards.
    Microsoft has devised its own nefarious processes to suck up your bandwidth while you are not looking. The names wuauclt.exe and svchost.exe are spoken only in hushed tones by those who have witnessed the terror. Those blinded by the Oracle of the Sun are heard babbling incoherently of jucheck.exe in the dark.

    But let us not get distracted! Let us focus on the evil that is Akamai! For it is not the same. A 3rd party updater is evil!

    Had there been the exact same code delivered as "netsession.dll", in turn called by a tiny wrapper executable "ddocheck.exe", and the Akamai EULA buried in the standard WB legal text that you never read but always agree to, it would have been AOK. Nobody would have cared.

    "No worries, you can allow ddocheck.exe because it works like jucheck.exe for Java or the Windows BITS service, to keep the game updated. Yes BITS 3.0 had so called peer caching but Microsoft got rid of it, and ddocheck.exe doesn't use p2p either.

    "OK thanks buddy"

    *Boggle*
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    Quote Originally Posted by stoerm View Post
    Microsoft has devised its own nefarious processes to suck up your bandwidth while you are not looking. The names wuauclt.exe and svchost.exe are spoken only in hushed tones by those who have witnessed the terror. Those blinded by the Oracle of the Sun are heard babbling incoherently of jucheck.exe in the dark.

    But let us not get distracted! Let us focus on the evil that is Akamai! For it is not the same. A 3rd party updater is evil!

    Had there been the exact same code delivered as "netsession.dll", in turn called by a tiny wrapper executable "ddocheck.exe", and the Akamai EULA buried in the standard WB legal text that you never read but always agree to, it would have been AOK. Nobody would have cared.

    "No worries, you can allow ddocheck.exe because it works like jucheck.exe for Java or the Windows BITS service, to keep the game updated. Yes BITS 3.0 had so called peer caching but Microsoft got rid of it, and ddocheck.exe doesn't use p2p either.

    "OK thanks buddy"

    *Boggle*
    Ok, you are basically right, but...

    When with Micro$oft something goes wrong, there is only one big company I can hold liable. When with Akamai NetSession something goes wrong, who is liable, Turbine or Akamai? Both will tell me to sue the other one. Simple as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stoerm View Post
    Microsoft has devised its own nefarious processes to suck up your bandwidth while you are not looking. The names wuauclt.exe and svchost.exe are spoken only in hushed tones by those who have witnessed the terror. Those blinded by the Oracle of the Sun are heard babbling incoherently of jucheck.exe in the dark.
    I don't have to worry about P2P with these. Irrelevent comparison. Client-server applications are necessary unless you want to manually patch everything yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by stoerm View Post
    Yes BITS 3.0 had so called peer caching but Microsoft got rid of it, and ddocheck.exe doesn't use p2p either.
    BITS never did P2P sharing outside of the domain your computer was a part of, so again an irrelevent comparison. The domain was controlled by your company (or school or whatever orginazation you were in) and not some totally anonymous and unknown entities.

    What gets me is people like you think people like me are chicken littles. When the reality is you spew out the same nonesense you have heard that tickled your ears without knowing what's really going on, and by sticking your head in the sand you think everything will be all right.

    Anyway as far as I am concerned Turbine addressed the issues with this last update to my satisfaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedora1 View Post
    What gets me is people like you think people like me are chicken littles. When the reality is you spew out the same nonesense you have heard that tickled your ears without knowing what's really going on, and by sticking your head in the sand you think everything will be all right.

    Anyway as far as I am concerned Turbine addressed the issues with this last update to my satisfaction.
    It is "people like you" and the previous poster who are assuming things but you still talk of "better knowledge". Assuming things like:

    - that p2p would be used by Netsession in relation to DDO
    - that WB don't do due diligence with 3rd party SW components
    - that Netsession 'might' change and become a security threat
    - that you know something about me

    Did I say BITS peer caching was p2p? It's just as relevant, i.e. it's not. Netsession never used p2p to update DDO either. It was worth checking and the facts were spelled out.

    Now, I engaged in some hyperbole to underscore my point. I concede. Sorry if that caused palpitations. My point is there is always risk. It's practically impossible to avoid 3rd party software, and we all have 'unnecessary' junk running on our PCs. We have to make informed decisions and accept the possibility of things going wrong. I'll take Akamai's and even Turbine's track record over Oracle's and Microsoft's any day, and I still have software from all four on my PC.

    I was concerned by Netsession myself, and frankly I would rather not have it on my PC. I have worse junk too, see Java. What bothers me is the downright superstitious hysteria and torches and pitchforks mentality on the forums. I just wish all people were "like you" and stopped telling us to quit DDO over this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stoerm View Post
    It is "people like you" and the previous poster who are assuming things but you still talk of "better knowledge". Assuming things like:

    - that p2p would be used by Netsession in relation to DDO
    - that WB don't do due diligence with 3rd party SW components
    - that Netsession 'might' change and become a security threat
    - that you know something about me
    Well in regards to your last point, it's funny that you list it as something I did and then do it right back at me. lol

    I also never assumed your first three points. I saw that the risk was there for any of those possibilities, and then voiced my objections. I know it would be hard to go back through the multitude of posts on the issue, but all along I warned that those things were possible, not inevitable. And my stance was that I would continue to play via work-arounds, while calling for a change to the EULA and making the Akamai client optional.

    On the other hand it certainly looked like you simply "assumed" none of those things would happen, and berated (or used hyperbole) to belittle those with a different opinion.

    Yes, there were those who passed on bad and/or inaccurate information about Akamai, and those could easily be corrected without going way over to the other side claiming that MS/Google/et al were just the same - misniformation is misinformation.


    Quote Originally Posted by stoerm View Post
    Did I say BITS peer caching was p2p?
    By claiming it is "peer" caching, that implies it is not client/server. Peer caching implies peer-to-peer. Otherwise it's not "peer".

    Quote Originally Posted by stoerm View Post
    Netsession never used p2p to update DDO either. It was worth checking and the facts were spelled out.
    No one said it did. I ran wireshark for days and was satisified it was behaving. The EULA clearly stated that it could though, and that was my issue. The EULA was between me and Akamai, Turbine was out of the loop legally. So they could say truthfully that their deal with Akamai did not include P2P, but Akamai's deal with me (via the EULA) clearly said they could do it if they wanted to.

    Quote Originally Posted by stoerm View Post
    Now, I engaged in some hyperbole to underscore my point. I concede. Sorry if that caused palpitations.
    It was more the plethora of posts like yours, rather than just yours. Especially since it is a moot point now with the update.

    Quote Originally Posted by stoerm View Post
    My point is there is always risk.
    Sorry I missed your point. It looked like another "you guys need to put away the tin foil" post.


    Quote Originally Posted by stoerm View Post
    What bothers me is the downright superstitious hysteria and torches and pitchforks mentality on the forums.
    Oh c'mon, that's what makes the forums fun.


    Quote Originally Posted by stoerm View Post
    I just wish all people were "like you" and stopped telling us to quit DDO over this.
    Yeah I never advocated quitting since there were enough work arounds. Easy work arounds at that. Still I'm glad Turbine made some corrections so we don't have to use the work arounds.

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    most of us are happy our launcher isnt hosing up on the akamai part.... 100% fact

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    Why do people get so upset about EULAs? Can anyone name a case in which a EULA was actually upheld ? There are strict guidelines to a EULAs validity and in every case I know of the involved a EULA that made it to court, the EULA was thrown out either in part or its entirety because by buying the game or paying money before seeing the EULA, the company is actually violating contractual law in the US. Unless the EULA is signed or agreed to by a legal entity (your gamertag, screen name and/or forum name is not a legal representation of you) its completely worthless. I love Turbine and am a DDO fanboi, but the EULA is nothing more then a guideline that is not legally binding in any way shape or form. They want you to think it is, but it isn't. If you violate it, they can stop doing business with you, but that's a choice not a legal restriction. Unless you physically sign something with your real legal name, every case involving a click ok to agree EULA has been ruled in favor of the CLICKER and not the company writing the EULA.

    Some stuff in EULAs are binding whether you sign it or not (Copyright, Trademark, Reverse Engineering) but the minutia about exploits and suing them for doing something they did not fully disclose is not worth the time it took you to scroll past and not read it. It is the companies (read as Turbine's) job to clearly and concisely in plain language disclose any and all first or third party usages of your system and resources not directly related to the game or game play for your system, even within your own domain. If they use my bandwidth for anything other then my game, they are liable for any and all issues caused by such unless they have a legal document, legally signed by me agreeing to this, EULAs are not such a legal document unless you digitally sign one with your legal name and you enter the date. Yes EULAs have been thrown out on the grounds there was no place to enter a date by the EU.

    Get over the EULA..,. its meaningless.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Perceval View Post
    Why do people get so upset about EULAs? Can anyone name a case in which a EULA was actually upheld ? There are strict guidelines to a EULAs validity and in every case I know of the involved a EULA that made it to court, the EULA was thrown out either in part or its entirety because by buying the game or paying money before seeing the EULA, the company is actually violating contractual law in the US. Unless the EULA is signed or agreed to by a legal entity (your gamertag, screen name and/or forum name is not a legal representation of you) its completely worthless. I love Turbine and am a DDO fanboi, but the EULA is nothing more then a guideline that is not legally binding in any way shape or form. They want you to think it is, but it isn't. If you violate it, they can stop doing business with you, but that's a choice not a legal restriction. Unless you physically sign something with your real legal name, every case involving a click ok to agree EULA has been ruled in favor of the CLICKER and not the company writing the EULA.
    Can you post some of these examples? Maybe a Google search would suffice, but I wonder how one "knows" about such cases as I have never heard about EULA's ending up in court. It's not like they make it to the evening news or get talked about on the radio. Yet you indicate (by saying "every case I know of the involved a EULA that made it to court") that you know of more than a couple (you would have said "both" if it was two cases).

    What specific cases are you aware of? I am sincerely interested.

    Thanks.

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