The developers at Turbine have assured us, the players, in multiple threads that the Akamai data mining/gathering portion of their software and the P2P portions are not being used due to some "special agreement" with Turbine.
In any case, agreeing to Akamai's EULA permits them to do anything within the EULA they please regardless of any agreement they might have with Turbine.
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Does the left hand and right hand work together? The dev's assembled a player council that, during Lam, advised against this software. Apparently it was to be addressed in the next update, which happened to be the live release, and was not touched. Why bother picking people to speak for the masses if they also don't get heard? At least one member of said council refuses to agree to the EULA, that in itself should speak volumes.
Another game, Rift, has an opt-out feature. Since DDO can be updated and run via other 3rd party programs, which folks are doing, why is do we need to install this program?
I doubt anyone will delete files in their DDO folder, nor does the game have real-time updates; so again, why is this program required?
I personally keep my machine very clean of unnecessary programs, and research any and every request to access it (ie emails, updates, patches, etc.). I doubt I'm alone.
Thelanis - Absolix, Absolyx, Absolax, Absolux
I'm satisfied with Turbine's explanation for why they're using this Akamai program. However, the real issue is why nothing was said about it beforehand. There's very good reason for people to be wary about programs lurking in their hard drives: you need only watch the news and hear about the government spying on its citizens or how corporations routinely mine our data for their bottom lines. Turbine knows that people are wary and yet made the decision to say nothing about this until we were actually in the process of downloading the update. I'd say that was an incredibly poor decision on their part particularly considering the lack of confidence we have in them already.
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For myself I despise data mining and the like. Even knowing I can never fully avoid being monitored/surveyed/what have you I still take every attempt to minimize it. As such I cancelled my (short lived) VIP sub yesterday and have patched and been playing via one of the 3rd party launchers discussed here. I don't have to believe Akamai to be Evil Incarnate (tm) or some sort of Trojan which will steal my identity, erase my HDD, and kick my cat to not want it lurking on my machine, especially when I'm not playing. Some have more of a problem than I do and others apparently have no problem at all. As long as everyone is aware of what the thing does and how the EULA words they're all free to come to their own personal opinion of how risky/unwanted it is for them.
For me, I won't go near the thing out of general principle. Regardless of Turbine's sincerity on the matter, asking players to believe terms other than what are in the EULA apply instead of that EULA is a bit foolish.
If the Akamai client were a "start/stop" application, there exists the possibility of not starting correctly due to any number of issues, device contention, interrupt contentions, etc.
Another reason is that the Akamai client can run in 64bit memory space and it's a 32bit program. The OS needs to compensate for this due to the compiled structure of the program, ie: 32 bit word alignments vs. 64 bit.
All in all, much simpler to have the client in memory than to hazard loading it "as needed".
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Whoever is implementing your 3rd party software should seriously do some research before doing it. At least ask forums about it, we probably do the research for you, just do it before its implemented.
At this point you are using hacks and exploits to run your stuff on programs not intended for what you do, and it is really affecting user base. If you are using 3rd party software, learn to use it properly. Has using AwesomiumProcess.exe taught you nothing?
You are seriously adding a lot of crapware, and in this inactive malware. This program has all the functions of spyware, and only ting keeping it inactive is your promises. They legally can do whatever they want. They have tools, and legal procedures to **** us over in place already, and your word that "X is disabled and will not be enabled" means noting, BECAUSE ITS 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE. Any of your promises can be changed in single, forced update, witch we can't turn off.
Also running something unrelated and unneeded on start up = malware. Yes it can be disabled (until we have to run your program again, witch forces insulation). Their EULA makes them not responsible for using their software as malvare. It Literally goes point by point of malvare definition.
It's defined as Backdoor right now. Only reason they are not marked as virus is EULA that says that they are gonna do it.
Are you that dense that you don't realize what your company is doing or what?
TLDR; Google definition of Backdoor malware, and compere it to what this software does and EULA.
OK, I will be out of the discussion. What had to be said I said. It is now up to Turbine to react to the issues we expressed with the Akamai software. I will use DDO ML until this is fixed. Until then, so long and keep the fire under the Turbine grill burning.
At the current state of the game it's much more likely to accidentally hit "Uninstall DDO Unlimited" in the win starting menue than deleting a single file in the DDO folder. And - thanks to no confirmation window - when this happens, the whole game is gone within seconds with no way to restore it other than downloading it again.
I know that Turbine and Akamai cooperate since 2005, but until Monday there was no need to install this Netsession program. But suddenly it is? If I do not get the possibility to opt-out, I opt-out from DDO.
I'm pretty sure it's a conspiracy.
How do I know?
I'll tell you. Last night after work I downloaded the DDO update.
I agreed to the terms and conditions.
This morning, I opened my closet and an Akamai employee was there. He handed me a tie for work.
I told him to get out of my house. He showed me the EULA and said I wasn't allowed to kick him out.
Then I had to make him breakfast. I didn't read the fine print so if you find an Akamai employee in your house, don't talk to him/her. Just ignore them.
Otherwise, you have to feed them. It's in the agreement.
For the first time since I started on DDO, going into my 8th year now, I'm left with an annoyingly bad taste in my mouth.
While I understand the need for this, I do not and have never enjoyed having things foisted on me. I will attempt to carry on
using DDO-ML or somesuch for the moment, however if this becomes an issue then ...................
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It is my belief that the people who assassinated Kennedy are actually behind this whole thing and that they are operating out of Area 51. Paranoid anyone?
The way this change was implemented made me think of this ....
scene still make me laugh
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We needed another delivery option. Pando went kaput, Steam and Happy Cloud do what they do, but we still needed a direct download option that was cost effective.
Everything is still under discussion. Remember this is an always under construction project. Nothing is set in stone. We have heard you, we are looking at it again.
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