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    Default Shiradi testing with statistics

    Question: Does enabling global metamagics and toggling "always off" increase proc damage?
    Answer: No.

    Testing: Scorching ray on warlock sobrien. Shiradi tree reset, so only force and sonic procs possible. All epic PL's disabled.

    Statistic used: t-test

    Results: p = 0.994 (force), p = 0.33 (sonic) - not significant





    Raw data:
    1) maximize off, 2) maximize on, 3) maximize on/always off toggle
    Force
    [[1]]
    [1] "427" "389" "147" "300" "182" "101" "204" "238" "589" "291" "303" "286" "376" "283" "162" "255" "235" "238" "623" "488" "387"
    [22] "67" "334" "294" "291" "311" "320" "291" "421"

    [[2]]
    [1] "499" "503" "512" "387" "564" "267" "676" "379" "631" "434" "339" "562" "481" "730" "696" "408" "567" "648"

    [[3]]
    [1] "334" "75" "405" "425" "492" "251" "240" "374" "520" "221" "307" "25" "187" "444" "304" "72" "181" "190" "310" "302" "142"
    [22] "788" "232" "229" "268" "148" "528" "187" "288" "660"

    Sonic
    [[1]]
    [1] "161" "258" "228" "168" "84" "176" "160" "383" "112" "162" "134" "123" "144" "131" "178" "107" "346" "257" "136" "139" "199"
    [22] "139"

    [[2]]
    [1] "231" "387" "201" "452" "218" "218" "197" "222" "222" "201" "296" "436" "255" "259" "259" "205"

    [[3]]
    [1] "138" "159" "183" "107" "143" "170" "141" "138" "99" "130" "175" "149" "170" "136" "146" "185" "164" "272" "154" "246"
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    Question: Do procs use the crit chance of the element of the spell being cast or the crit chance of the element of the proc?

    Answer: Procs use crit chance of the element of the proc

    Test: same as before, EH and EN warlock sobrien, scorching ray and sonic procs

    Expected fire crit chance: 8% base + 10% enhancements + 18% item = 36%
    Expected sonic crit chance: 8% base + 8% enhancements = 16%

    Statistic used: Binomial exact test

    Data: 15 crits out of 81 procs

    Test 1: H0: crit rate = 36%
    p = 0.0007

    Test 2: H0 crit rate = 16%
    p = 0.185

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicMew View Post
    Question: Do procs use the crit chance of the element of the spell being cast or the crit chance of the element of the proc?

    Answer: Procs use crit chance of the element of the proc

    Test: same as before, EH and EN warlock sobrien, scorching ray and sonic procs

    Expected fire crit chance: 8% base + 10% enhancements + 18% item = 36%
    Expected sonic crit chance: 8% base + 8% enhancements = 16%

    Statistic used: Binomial exact test

    Data: 15 crits out of 81 procs

    Test 1: H0: crit rate = 36%
    p = 0.0007

    Test 2: H0 crit rate = 16%
    p = 0.185
    Inertesting, I did this a very long time ago, before crits were changed, and the procs used the originating spell to determine if they crit. Not sure if/when this got changed, but good to know for sure!
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    Well - I did some testing today and it looks like Mew beat me to the punch. I don't have all the pretty graphs like Mew, but I concur with his conclusion.

    It's sad, but true - at some point Max/Emp on and spells toggled "always off" no longer affect Shiradi Procs.

    I'm likely going to take another look at feats now that this has been brought to my attention. (Dodge/Mobility again anyone?)

    Didn't check out Crit chance, but it would be fairly easy to check when I get back to level 27.
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    Thank you for your hard work and great information!

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    Thank you too ! Great work and iam happy now
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