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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalevor View Post
    agreed. If don't have fun playing "off destiny" why you do it?
    i play very little in an off destiny. A daily run von 3 (because it's fast) and move on to difficult quest in a good destiny.

    my question is, why do you want to direct the way in that other other people play?

    If you don't want play von 3, don't play. Up your LFMs for other quests. Hey, pug should be easy for you: people speak in your language in the pugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iriale View Post
    i play very little in an off destiny. A daily run von 3 (because it's fast) and move on to difficult quest in a good destiny.

    my question is, why do you want to direct the way in that other other people play?
    Don't put words in my mouth. I've only said that i like the changes made to rebalance the xp of some quest.

    There is no sense in grant this amount of xp for running this easy quest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iriale View Post
    Garbage. The ETR hamstel wheel is pure garbage. A boring and endless grind bad designed (for the average player, very well designed to squeeze money from the powegamer eager to buy boxes and hearts)

    Me, i don't want a 4th twist at the cost of months and months of boring grind in off destinies, or buying a lot of expensives boxes. Move on, guys. ETR es pure garbage!!
    Yes, it's a grind... but... but... shinies!!

    If there is a 4th twist available, yes, I would like to get it. I never bought Otto's boxes or traded for them, but they are not bad for those who can only play 1-2 hours on a day, but still want to level fast. I will take my time, and do the grind, as many others will do it. I'm lucky, I don't need to pay anything, around 40 TR on my characters, so I got enough TP to buy some hearts if needed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalevor View Post
    Don't put words in my mouth. I've only said that i like the changes made to rebalance the xp of some quest.

    There is no sense in grant this amount of xp for running this easy quest.
    and you don't put words in my mouth too.

    There is no sense in grant a borked and boring system instead a fun system. If they want a hamster wheel, it should be fun!!!! This is more important than a quest with different xp.

    Fix the boring system first, after fix the von3 experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalevor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Iriale View Post
    it's boring. And the point of a game is fun. How can anyone think otherwise?

    repeat with me: DDO is a game. Not a work.



    agreed. If don't have fun playing "off destiny" why you do it?
    Cause people want to contribute when they run "difficult" content.

    If you find fun running EN/EH quests or piking in EE go ahead, as long as you find people that let you pike.

    There are other reasons to run off destinies even if you don't want to use twists: let's say you are a cleric and you choose Exalted angel, then you later TR to sorcerer and want to get to Draconic: you have to go through at least 4 lvls of US(which sucks on everything), at least 3 lvls of GmoF, at least 4 lvls of ShadowDancer, at least 3 lvls of Fatesinger. So you have to run a suboptimal toon for some million of xp: if you don't care about others (as you and your friend above seem to imply) then sure, you can run your sorc in US, GmoF, ShadowDancer and Fatesinger on EE contributing basically nothing and just piking. Or you can do like most people that consider others a little do: farm your useless destinies XP in EN/EH fast quests so that you can run in your good destiny and contribute.

    Farming off destinies is never fun, it's something people want to get out of their way as fast as they can. So they are not fixing anything, they are just breaking our fast way to get a boring thing done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pHo3nix View Post
    Cause people want to contribute when they run "difficult" content.

    If you find fun running EN/EH quests or piking in EE go ahead, as long as you find people that let you pike.

    There are other reasons to run off destinies even if you don't want to use twists: let's say you are a cleric and you choose Exalted angel, then you later TR to sorcerer and want to get to Draconic: you have to go through at least 4 lvls of US(which sucks on everything), at least 3 lvls of GmoF, at least 4 lvls of ShadowDancer, at least 3 lvls of Fatesinger. So you have to run a suboptimal toon for some million of xp: if you don't care about others (as you and your friend above seem to imply) then sure, you can run your sorc in US, GmoF, ShadowDancer and Fatesinger on EE contributing basically nothing and just piking. Or you can do like most people that consider others a little do: farm your useless destinies XP in EN/EH fast quests so that you can run in your good destiny and contribute.

    Farming off destinies is never fun, it's something people want to get out of their way as fast as they can. So they are not fixing anything, they are just breaking our fast way to get a boring thing done.
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    The boost to VoN3 in the last update was too much. We all saw this coming. There are other quests and the real issue is CoV not XP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pHo3nix View Post
    Cause people want to contribute when they run "difficult" content.

    If you find fun running EN/EH quests or piking in EE go ahead, as long as you find people that let you pike.
    I can solo EE pretty well, thank you sir.

    If you want to grind one single easy quest to the exhaustion only because you are too afraid or don't have the skills to do something else, do it.

    But don' t say that is the only way or faster way, is not true. Dev's want that ppl run other things, not only von3.
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    Off destiny is the worst thing in this game.
    When I see someone in arcane destiny and he is melee that joins my ee quest, I feel like punching him.
    So you have 2 options here, tr to class that will work the best with that destiny sphere or just do quests on eh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yalinaa View Post
    Yes, it's a grind... but... but... shinies!!

    If there is a 4th twist available, yes, I would like to get it. I never bought Otto's boxes or traded for them, but they are not bad for those who can only play 1-2 hours on a day, but still want to level fast. I will take my time, and do the grind, as many others will do it. I'm lucky, I don't need to pay anything, around 40 TR on my characters, so I got enough TP to buy some hearts if needed...
    good for you then. But no all people want these shinies to this prize. I do not rush the ETRs. I do not mind waiting for the CoV. But I don't want to play a long time each day in an off destiny running boring quests. I want that they fix the stupid ED system, but if they don't at least let me an escape valve (make quickly each day a little progress in an off destiny).

    What turbine has to understand is that there are some people who pay to get rid of that grind. Many other, no. I will not. I pay gladly my VIP subscription, but I will not pay for ETR. Please, give me a fun end game (new quests, new raids, loot to get) If everything becomes a boring grind forcing me to play as *they* want (and not as I want), I will leave. And like me, other people. Some of my friends have left the game for these reasons.

    For the health of the game. For the future of the game, fix this stupid ED system. Von3 is not the problem, just the symptom of something wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan_Milic View Post
    Off destiny is the worst thing in this game.
    When I see someone in arcane destiny and he is melee that joins my ee quest, I feel like punching him.
    So you have 2 options here, tr to class that will work the best with that destiny sphere or just do quests on eh.
    I agree with that, sometimes is not funny run out destiny. But that war was lost time ago.
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    Come play Dungeons and Dragons! In heroic play you will face the evil minions of Demons... When and if you make it to Epic levels you face even greater threats. Threats like... giant rats and wolves!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalevor View Post
    I can solo EE pretty well, thank you sir.

    If you want to grind one single easy quest to the exhaustion only because you are too afraid or don't have the skills to do something else, do it.

    But don' t say that is the only way or faster way, is not true. Dev's want that ppl run other things, not only von3.
    Quest ransack ensures that people play other quests and not just von3. Is it so hard to understand? Play a quest once a day not exclude you also play other quests that day. How can you have a toon that solo EE if you play only a quest at day?

    Common sense, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalevor View Post
    I agree with that, sometimes is not funny run out destiny. But that war was lost time ago.
    Not. The buyer has the last word. The war will be lost only if we nod and stay quiet. If there are sufficient protests they eventually will fix the system. They've changed other things that we disliked.

    It is a game. It has to be fun. We should tell to the devs what we like and do not like. They will listen, if not today, tomorrow... but they will listen. Because our fun is their money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shmuel View Post
    Experience for 1 quest has been decreased:

    The Jungle of Khyber
    Previous Base XP on Epic Normal: 42,693
    New Base XP on Epic Normal: 23,299


    VON3 gives what I would consider appropriate xp/min for epic levels. It is the most popular quest in the game for epic leveling and has more lfms than any other quest. the one (and only) quest where I regularly see people of all skill and experience levels as players and all guilds mingling socially. Why do we need to make the things people like the most in this game less likeable? That does not seem like a good way to keep your customers happy.
    10k/min is appropriate to you?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Iriale View Post
    Quest ransack ensures that people play other quests and not just von3. Is it so hard to understand? Play a quest once a day not exclude you also play other quests that day. How can you have a toon that solo EE if you play only a quest at day?

    Common sense, please.
    Maybe i express myself wrong or you are trolling me but you don't get me... I never said that i only run one quest everyday.

    I'm gonna stop writing in this thread, there is no point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan_Milic View Post
    Turbine is doing players a favor here, you will cap now with more vcomms.
    why is that doing us a favour? it is a lot easier to get vcomms at level 28 than it is at levels 21-24.

    This is BS!! When Turbine wants to nerf something they do it SLEDGEHAMMER style. BS!!!

    I think this is going to cost them real money though. Some people are fine paying money for hearts, but if it takes them 3 months to do each life they are going to say forget it it is too much of a grind and not bother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    10k/min is appropriate to you?

    For Epic XP?

    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalevor View Post
    I agree with that, sometimes is not funny run out destiny. But that war was lost time ago.
    This is why heroic tr will always be superior to epic tr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hathorian View Post
    why is that doing us a favour? it is a lot easier to get vcomms at level 28 than it is at levels 21-24.

    This is BS!! When Turbine wants to nerf something they do it SLEDGEHAMMER style. BS!!!

    I think this is going to cost them real money though. Some people are fine paying money for hearts, but if it takes them 3 months to do each life they are going to say forget it it is too much of a grind and not bother.
    Ofc its gonna take you 3 months if you only do von3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalevor View Post
    Maybe i express myself wrong or you are trolling me but you don't get me... I never said that i only run one quest everyday.

    I'm gonna stop writing in this thread, there is no point.
    i don't troll. I leave that to Teh_troll, who is more professional

    You said "Dev's want that ppl run other things, not only von3". Well, I tell you it is impossible to play von 3 only unless you play only a quest at day. Your argument is false. They don't nerf von3 because only von 3 is played.
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