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    Quote Originally Posted by niehues View Post
    we dont tell ppl what to play.. they play what is fun for them...
    They have elected the way of pain.

    Their choice, their consequences ; )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackheartox View Post
    As basicaly to get god valor/min you need to invisi alot and zerg alot or have ability to cc or kill fast..
    Many cant handle 3 mobs at once in ee yet alone pull red like im doing atm in my druid life..
    And this sounds as if its is how its supposed to be- better players play higher levels for more gain, weaker players must farm longer.

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    Default run all Epic elite?

    interesting;but...if you are tough enough to slam out EE runs,do those toons really need another TR. System is set for the powerfull to keep gettin better and leave newer players in the dust(unless we buy hearts for TP)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powskier View Post
    interesting;but...if you are tough enough to slam out EE runs,do those toons really need another TR. System is set for the powerfull to keep gettin better and leave newer players in the dust(unless we buy hearts for TP)
    It is the same thing with regular tr, multiple trd players who gatherd knowledge and experience will run quests faster then new players. That system always existed in ddo imo.

    Epic tr is just a fresh one so we averted our eyes from the heroic one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodspeed View Post
    EE's dont usually net me a whole lot in GH. Actually many times I don't even see the comms there as an option.

    Anyway easy fix. Make em tradeable! It'll be a new thing that earns cash. People tr faster (Ya I really don't give 2 (blank) about any bs outcry for p2w (with plat?) or smell the roses, or some whack job with a masochist disorder.)
    Heart seeds are!

    Run Quests on all your characters, grind down your CoV into seeds, put seeds into the shared bank. Use seeds on anyone you want to.

    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vellrad View Post
    They have elected the way of pain.

    Their choice, their consequences ; )
    Not really, they were playing the way they wanted to far longer before Turbine came out with this system. Turbine designed the system around the way most do NOT play.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oradafu View Post
    Or (since the Devs went with a convoluted mechanism for CoVs) they could add some additional text in the Experience Report under the Bravery Bonus text that states whether CoV will be granted upon completion of the quest.

    This would probably solve most of the problems that people are having when they say that they receive no CoVs. Granted, it won't solve all the problems because I figure bugs are a dominate feature when new mechanisms are added to the game...instead of using existing mechanism that have a track record of actually working.
    Since you know you will not get CoV if you are on XP Ransack, they added this nifty lil command;

    /ransack

    Ta da! Mechanism already exists.

    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vellrad View Post
    They have elected the way of pain.

    Their choice, their consequences ; )
    We hardly ever agree, you and I, Vellrad.

    But in this case we finally do.

    Not sure if I should be happy or sad...


    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by axel15810 View Post
    I would add allow us to level off desinities while remaining in our best destiny. Even if it is at a 50% xp penalty I would be fine with it.
    so what your saying is you'd like to farm 12,000,000 Karma XP but, remain in your best destiny. Doubt that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powskier View Post
    interesting;but...if you are tough enough to slam out EE runs,do those toons really need another TR. System is set for the powerfull to keep gettin better and leave newer players in the dust(unless we buy hearts for TP)
    Of course you need it if you can slam out EE runs what else is there left to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post

    Not sure if I should be happy or sad...

    You should be happy for finally upgrading the way you think

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnbeimnech View Post
    Takes me about a week to collect 4200 as well.
    Here's a different perspective to counterpoint yours.

    I've taken comms and run every epic dungeon as high a difficulty as I can manage.
    Been playing every day at least 2 hours a day on my main since these came out.

    Ground through every epic just once, from the house P ones up to the Wheloon ones. I still have the Stormhorns to go.
    Worked myself up to 25 so far, I have 800 and change comms in my bag.

    So for you, 4200 is one week.
    For me, 4200 is going to be months of grinding things I have already run.


    Hear that Turbine?
    My perspective is : Months of grinding for a ridiculously small past life bonus.
    Am I going to want to purchase hearts? Not a chance in Eberron.

    Do what teh_troll says.
    2 million karma, 2000 comms for a heart. At least then it will be something I consider "reasonably achievable".
    Please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chilldude
    Dude, did you see they way that guy just pressed button 1? It was amazing! A display of skill unseen since the 1984 World Games where in the men's room, between events, a man washed his hands with such unbridled majesty that people were claiming the faucet he used was OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Since you know you will not get CoV if you are on XP Ransack, they added this nifty lil command;

    /ransack

    Ta da! Mechanism already exists.
    I'll give you a hint about players that both you and the Devs don't seem to grasp: most players prefer passive stuff.

    It might me considered lazy, but the "/command" is less ideal than what I am describing. If the character is active alot, the command can be a total clutter, as the /quest completion has become in the last year and a half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danotmano1998 View Post

    do what teh_troll says.
    Karma achievable from turning sagas right after reincarnation, comms granted for en/eh on way to 26 for a heart. At least then it will be something i consider granted for free.
    Please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powskier View Post
    interesting;but...if you are tough enough to slam out EE runs,do those toons really need another TR. System is set for the powerfull to keep gettin better and leave newer players in the dust(unless we buy hearts for TP)
    You must be seeing some power that I'm missing. Because epic past lives offer little more than a reason to keep playing a character from what I can see. Not that heroic TR's offer a whole lot more.

    But I do think you see what the plan is here. The really active, serious players can grind those epic hearts that the rest of us are supposed to buy in order to try to keep up with them. Nothing really new with that scheme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danotmano1998 View Post
    Here's a different perspective to counterpoint yours.

    I've taken comms and run every epic dungeon as high a difficulty as I can manage.
    Been playing every day at least 2 hours a day on my main since these came out.

    Ground through every epic just once, from the house P ones up to the Wheloon ones. I still have the Stormhorns to go.
    Worked myself up to 25 so far, I have 800 and change comms in my bag.

    So for you, 4200 is one week.
    For me, 4200 is going to be months of grinding things I have already run.


    Hear that Turbine?
    My perspective is : Months of grinding for a ridiculously small past life bonus.
    Am I going to want to purchase hearts? Not a chance in Eberron.

    Do what teh_troll says.
    2 million karma, 2000 comms for a heart. At least then it will be something I consider "reasonably achievable".
    Please.
    When I go to a restaurant, I don't see a reason to pay ridiculous prices for fish eggs and mushrooms. But I don't insist they lower the price on caviar and truffles, as other may be willing to do so. I just don't order them.

    If you don't find the past life bonuses to be worth the grind or the cost, simply do without them. Personally I don't see them as being worth a specific grind, much less TP. But I also rarely see anything better on rewards lists, so will be eTRing whenever I happen to have enough and not much missing not having done so in the mean time.

    As far as karma goes, I agree as playing in an off sphere isn't something I'm going to be doing anyway. So while doing so for a bit to get an eTR flag would be tolerable. 6 million seems more like a filter to allow only those who are specifically playing for it to eTR off-sphere than anything else.

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    If this is what is supposed to keep players playing... kind of fail. People already uber will burn through this like mad and considering the EE grind for comms, I'll be surprised if more don't just burn out. So they are done, they are now uber for what exactly? LOL nothing.
    Everyone else... Will get frustrated and/or not participate eventually.

    I stopped picking them up. I've no interest in this hamster wheel, not even convinced I will use my free heart on each character. And it's just so funny, one system to another... One I more than willingly used to pay (I always bought HTR, I even have one still on a character for when they were on sale)... Another that I'm not interested in participating in and even less paying for. One is somewhat fun (a ton of heroic quests and I enjoy them and my XP grind to 20 is not controlled by which quest gives what number of tokens), the other is painful (off destiny grinding, far fewer epic level quests, not loving all of the new epics, Shadowfell effect that makes me want to slap somebody)... One let's me play how I want, the other tries to tell me how to level.

    *shrug* Turbine... I'd rather pick up random lootgen for my alts than participate in your new hamster wheel. The old one made difficult content more approachable (when we had end-game), the new one makes easy still easy, boring still boring.

    Go back to marketing school, Turbine. You need to learn how to entice people and stop being so obvious. It's not attractive what you're doing lately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gremmlynn View Post
    When I go to a restaurant, I don't see a reason to pay ridiculous prices for fish eggs and mushrooms. But I don't insist they lower the price on caviar and truffles, as other may be willing to do so. I just don't order them.

    If you don't find the past life bonuses to be worth the grind or the cost, simply do without them. Personally I don't see them as being worth a specific grind, much less TP. But I also rarely see anything better on rewards lists, so will be eTRing whenever I happen to have enough and not much missing not having done so in the mean time.

    As far as karma goes, I agree as playing in an off sphere isn't something I'm going to be doing anyway. So while doing so for a bit to get an eTR flag would be tolerable. 6 million seems more like a filter to allow only those who are specifically playing for it to eTR off-sphere than anything else.
    Your basic premise is how I feel. I won't be doing much if any epic TR'ing, for reasons I explained above.
    But if we don't tell Turbine WHY we aren't doing the grind they lay before us, they will likely come up with some other crazy idea. See ghostbane for a shining example.

    Turbine has already said they are willing to look at changing the numbers. (Who knows whether or not this is actually true or not, but I can hope.) So I am looking to express my discontent with the system they have laid out before us with as much concise communication as possible. It's not, "Hey, that costs too much, lower the price!".. It's more "Hey, I would be interested in that, but only if you are willing to compromise and set a realistic number."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chilldude
    Dude, did you see they way that guy just pressed button 1? It was amazing! A display of skill unseen since the 1984 World Games where in the men's room, between events, a man washed his hands with such unbridled majesty that people were claiming the faucet he used was OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deahamlet View Post
    If this is what is supposed to keep players playing... kind of fail. People already uber will burn through this like mad and considering the EE grind for comms, I'll be surprised if more don't just burn out. So they are done, they are now uber for what exactly? LOL nothing.
    Everyone else... Will get frustrated and/or not participate eventually.

    I stopped picking them up. I've no interest in this hamster wheel, not even convinced I will use my free heart on each character. And it's just so funny, one system to another... One I more than willingly used to pay (I always bought HTR, I even have one still on a character for when they were on sale)... Another that I'm not interested in participating in and even less paying for. One is somewhat fun (a ton of heroic quests and I enjoy them and my XP grind to 20 is not controlled by which quest gives what number of tokens), the other is painful (off destiny grinding, far fewer epic level quests, not loving all of the new epics, Shadowfell effect that makes me want to slap somebody)... One let's me play how I want, the other tries to tell me how to level.

    *shrug* Turbine... I'd rather pick up random lootgen for my alts than participate in your new hamster wheel. The old one made difficult content more approachable (when we had end-game), the new one makes easy still easy, boring still boring.

    Go back to marketing school, Turbine. You need to learn how to entice people and stop being so obvious. It's not attractive what you're doing lately.
    That is kinda how i feel exactly to the tee! Well said!
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    Quote Originally Posted by danotmano1998 View Post
    Your basic premise is how I feel. I won't be doing much if any epic TR'ing, for reasons I explained above.
    But if we don't tell Turbine WHY we aren't doing the grind they lay before us, they will likely come up with some other crazy idea. See ghostbane for a shining example.

    Turbine has already said they are willing to look at changing the numbers. (Who knows whether or not this is actually true or not, but I can hope.) So I am looking to express my discontent with the system they have laid out before us with as much concise communication as possible. It's not, "Hey, that costs too much, lower the price!".. It's more "Hey, I would be interested in that, but only if you are willing to compromise and set a realistic number."
    I am doing so. The only problem I have personally with the eTR system stems from the amount of karma that will be necessary in off-sphere destinies.

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