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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    The point is there was no reason to need to use a crutch in heroics if it was already that easy to begin with.

    A lot of people talk about efficiency on these boards, but then defend using a nuclear warhead where a stick of dynamite would have done the job, which is a direct contradiction in logic.
    I wish there were a way to never see any of your posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyopa View Post
    I wish there were a way to never see any of your posts.
    there is an ignore function, look around in your user settings, its somewhere there
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    Wonderful! Thanks for that!

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    Just open their profile and click Add To Ignore List. It substitutes their posts with a big obnoxious block out, but you won't have to see it. Well, not until they log onto one of their alt accounts. But that's a different issue all together.

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    Well, hopefully I will figure out Chai's alternate accounts so I can block them, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyopa View Post
    Well, hopefully I will figure out Chai's alternate accounts so I can block them, too.
    Those are fine. We all love Chai's alternate accounts and we only have a problem with what Chai posts because it's Chai's username posting it. He has scientific proof of that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    It depends. If they spent more time on the forums defending exploiting using the justification that "heroic levels are too easy and boring" than they did skilling up to play level 2 elite quests without a crutch, dying in harbor traps might be just what they need to wake them up.
    One would think they will. But personally I would still pick up their soul stone and take them to the shrine.

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    To all, who shout out *tediousness*:

    In a TR group, assuming channel and experienced people as TR implies these days, twists did not make anything faster as it already was. For soloing there might be tediousness but after all, soloing is a choice in a game where putting up an LFM with usual suspect lines like *ip, byoh, no gimp....* etc. is not any less tedious than those twists used on heroic levels. Damn the dev.s to make you socializing once in a while with other people... and even that is not needed, if you have multi life experience.

    I could not understand using twists since I never needed them and I am just a vet., not even a pro zerger. So, stop crying and stay zergy.

    p.s.:
    Thank you, dev.s. But in the end, that fix is one of the less relevants regarding other gameplay impeding things.
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    despite higher beings watching, I am still enjoying my popcorn. carry on.
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    You are the one choosing not to play alts.

    Casual player now investing way less than I used to into the game, playing 1-3 months at a time and still want nothing to do with Reaper. #improvepuggrouping#alldifficultiesmatter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veriden View Post
    So a big thank you to the devs for correcting it, I've already watched some of the self proclaimed elite players who relied on the twists die in the harbor and market place. I laughed and left their soul stones in the traps they tried to run through, or where they lay from being swarmed by monsters well out of reach of any resurrection shrines
    So people using something you dislike makes it okay for you to be a jerk.
    People like you only make the community worse.
    Sure, I appreciate that Turbine finally fixed it, but it took way too long.
    People exploiting it doesn't justify your behavior, because you only make things worse, and you only make yourself worse than them. At least they're not using the twists to screw you over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veriden View Post
    Where did I say it broke the game? I said it made pugging not very fun. I know sorcs can clear rooms AT HIGHER LEVELS THAN ONE. The only time I let sorcs, wizards, druids into my own parties are shadow crypt due to the tedious nature of the quest. Sounds like some serious Q.Q coming from you regarding sorcerers. Maybe they'll nerf spell power again, I personally don't care. Frankly if some one twisted something fairly useless like running with wind for the free 30% striding (for those who don't have the quiver to do the same at lvl1) I wouldn't care, it is the stuff beyond that which irritated me.

    You're welcome to keep qq'ing on my thread though.
    So you only want them when you need them to carry you? It sounds like you also need an easy button once in a while, don't see how you don't need to learn to play. If you need classes you despise so much then you're in need of l2p as much as one needing twists to play.
    FYI I never used them so I don't have a care but your hypocrisy was hilariously obvious.

    I remember you being a nice guy, when did you become this?
    FYI when we get BB, divines and artificer are just as clear the room with one spell as casters.

    I never saw you complain when anyone joined raids with you, I'm so surprised to see you sound so judgmental on forums.

    Things have changed wow.

    Ps I was happy barbs got some self healing, poor guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingault View Post
    So people using something you dislike makes it okay for you to be a jerk.
    People like you only make the community worse.
    Sure, I appreciate that Turbine finally fixed it, but it took way too long.
    People exploiting it doesn't justify your behavior, because you only make things worse, and you only make yourself worse than them. At least they're not using the twists to screw you over.
    This.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veriden View Post
    OH I get it, you negative posters are people who used the twists and don't like to be called cheaters for cheating. Oh well, three words for you: Learn to play. Have a nice day, and happy holidays. I hope you get all your xmas wishes, and maybe get laid.
    This is my favorite part of the thread. Because we all know specific posters who agree with Veriden's position here who used the twists even though we're not allowed to name them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyopa View Post
    I wish there were a way to never see any of your posts.
    There is!

    Click on his name, View Profile, and Add to Ignore List!

    Then Hit Yes to confirm.

    Enjoy!!!!!



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    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deahamlet View Post
    So you only want them when you need them to carry you? It sounds like you also need an easy button once in a while, don't see how you don't need to learn to play. If you need classes you despise so much then you're in need of l2p as much as one needing twists to play.
    FYI I never used them so I don't have a care but your hypocrisy was hilariously obvious.

    I remember you being a nice guy, when did you become this?
    FYI when we get BB, divines and artificer are just as clear the room with one spell as casters.

    I never saw you complain when anyone joined raids with you, I'm so surprised to see you sound so judgmental on forums.

    Things have changed wow.

    Ps I was happy barbs got some self healing, poor guys.

    Perhaps some context is needed, the soul stones I left in place were of people who were complaining about the removal of twists on how it made everything more slow and tedious. People who thought themselves elites. It isn't every one I do this to. I am still a nice guy, a little jaded from the community's reactions over the years to me being nice or trying to be funny, but none the less some one asks for my help and includes 'please' I tend to go and help them if it is possible for me to do so. Otherwise I offer advice on how they might get past what is troubling them.

    What I fail to see is artificiers and divines clearing the room with just one blast though. Blade barrier and flame turret hardly do that. Good damage yes but not always one spell killing everything. Also, I am not one to be carried. If you knew me from playing with me, you would see I'm hardly spending time as a soul stone unless I'm goofing off, lagging, or trying to salvage a particularly rotten run of bad luck in ETK.

    It isn't a matter of being judgmental, but it being the forums naturally every one is going to jump on the negative side of things with out reading everything. I've been leaving 'elite players' soul stones in various places for years now when they irritate me and die first. Lava pits, cliffs just barely unable to reach the shrine, at the bottom of the crucible river etc. As I only let arcanes in my groups for specific quests that I am going to end up repeating that day, I am plagued nine times out of ten with people asking what fire wall is, or what spell level it is. My problem with arcanes isn't that they're over powered, it is the people who play them that aren't ready to, and some times I just want to sit down and bang out some xp to some of my least favorite quests.

    I don't get what you call hypocrisy, I didn't use them. I had cacoon and scream used on me, and I've left parties mid quest to get away from people who used such. What ever, to each their own.

    Happy holidays.

    Ps: I sure hope no one has a different opinion or tries to insult me on the internets. I might lose sleep and feel bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HungarianRhapsody View Post
    Those are fine. We all love Chai's alternate accounts and we only have a problem with what Chai posts because it's Chai's username posting it. He has scientific proof of that!
    You're absolutely right. How silly of me to have forgotten!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veriden View Post
    The only time I let sorcs, wizards, druids into my own parties are shadow crypt due to the tedious nature of the quest.
    Their fireballs bigger then your greataxe? too lazy to farm out your own twists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sebastrd View Post
    Yeah, devs. Thanks for, again, fixing something that didn't need to be fixed while there are plenty of other bugs waiting around for some attention.
    This!

    Quote Originally Posted by deahamlet View Post

    Ps I was happy barbs got some self healing, poor guys.
    yes, sadly noone cares about the poor barbs..... esp turbine...


    as for the entire thank you dev's post: i honnestly couldn't care less about your inabilety to post proper lfm's keeping "twisters"out.
    With so many bugs going on, having to "twist"the dev's arm to work on this is selfish at best.
    Gloating over it here? i guess we should all accept you for who you are, some one with special needs...
    in other words... ignore list

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veriden View Post
    Perhaps some context is needed, the soul stones I left in place were of people who were complaining about the removal of twists on how it made everything more slow and tedious. People who thought themselves elites. It isn't every one I do this to. I am still a nice guy, a little jaded from the community's reactions over the years to me being nice or trying to be funny, but none the less some one asks for my help and includes 'please' I tend to go and help them if it is possible for me to do so. Otherwise I offer advice on how they might get past what is troubling them.

    What I fail to see is artificiers and divines clearing the room with just one blast though. Blade barrier and flame turret hardly do that. Good damage yes but not always one spell killing everything. Also, I am not one to be carried. If you knew me from playing with me, you would see I'm hardly spending time as a soul stone unless I'm goofing off, lagging, or trying to salvage a particularly rotten run of bad luck in ETK.

    It isn't a matter of being judgmental, but it being the forums naturally every one is going to jump on the negative side of things with out reading everything. I've been leaving 'elite players' soul stones in various places for years now when they irritate me and die first. Lava pits, cliffs just barely unable to reach the shrine, at the bottom of the crucible river etc. As I only let arcanes in my groups for specific quests that I am going to end up repeating that day, I am plagued nine times out of ten with people asking what fire wall is, or what spell level it is. My problem with arcanes isn't that they're over powered, it is the people who play them that aren't ready to, and some times I just want to sit down and bang out some xp to some of my least favorite quests.

    I don't get what you call hypocrisy, I didn't use them. I had cacoon and scream used on me, and I've left parties mid quest to get away from people who used such. What ever, to each their own.

    Happy holidays.

    Ps: I sure hope no one has a different opinion or tries to insult me on the internets. I might lose sleep and feel bad.
    You stated that you basically see casters as an easy-button but then invite them on some quests... because admit it, it'd be a tedious slow bore without Firewall. And well, that makes you a hypocrite that you judge their OP-ness but are willing to use it when it suits you. Just because it's not in YOUR arsenal but instead you call upon another player to use that OP spell-power doesn't make you any less guilty of using OP arcane power. If it's OP and a plague on parties enough to shun because of that in most quests, then shun in ALL quests or else embrace that you are a hypocrite. If you shun them because too many clueless new people don't know how to play them and plague with stupid questions... well I don't know what to say. As one of the first people who got a 20 artificer (and stayed there unlike completionists who moved to their ultimate build again), I got many many many random tells from people asking questions and help about arties. Some were rather clueless, some were more intelligent questions but I can't say I ever got frustrated.

    I don't clear in one shot on a divine/arti but I just run around until they are all dead. In undead quests on a wizard, I cast the firewall and jump around all blur-ed in it. I don't see the difference. I will give you that playing a caster requires knowledge and there are far too many who lack the willingness to just get the knowledge. I will also give you that elitists being a-holes and bragging and whining in party chat/on voice are annoying enough to leave in LAVA. I would personally still not do it because I would not want to cost anyone completion in the game, deserved or not. And just never group with them again.

    I have only seen you in raids and you have always performed extremely well, I did not say you need to l2p because of any sign that you do not know how to play. Was only to pinpoint that if you think casters are just OP masters with no clue how to play the game because they have easy buttons, you become just as clueless when you choose to use them to make quests easier for you. As I said, if you want to boycott arcanes, do it all the way.

    Personally I think playing a caster well is a long exercise. Spamming fireball is easy... adapting to the changing array of encounters beyond just spamming that one spell takes skill. From outside and from looking at lazy people, a lot of classes look like easy buttons. As I said, I personally did not feel any difference between farming XP on my FvS versus my wizard (sorcerer felt different because scroll-healing is not as good as self-healing from spells). It was all fast. That doesn't mean because my icon is wizard, or sorcerer, or FvS, or artificer, or cleric... that I'm a one-trick pony. Maybe that's why I so heavily refuse to do Shiradi and no longer play EE on my sorcerer...

    I hope the PS was in jest . As far as I know and have said, you've always been nice and helped a lot of people over the years. You just sounded... well... bitter which was surprising cause I don't recall any of that. I recall jokes, I recall standards, but I recall someone nice to new-ish people and a good player.

    Happy holidays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braegan View Post
    To be honest I ran into more threads whinning one way or the other then I did encounter folks twisting at heroics.
    ...must have been a while since you either Played any of your Thelanis toons or Pugged on Thelanis.
    But like yourself I am glad they finally fixed it, and since a TR these days are very fast the last twisters should be 20 in no time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyopa View Post
    Well, hopefully I will figure out Chai's alternate accounts so I can block them, too.
    You have been here since 2010 and only chai could drive you to do your first account block?...................yes hes very special................

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