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    Default pastlifenmo...am I missing something?

    Okay for those of you who know this build, maybe someone can explain something that I think is incorrect...

    Level 1, Druid (Feat: Cleave)
    Level 2, Druid
    Level 3, Druid
    Level 4, Monk
    Level 5, Druid
    Level 6, Druid (Feat: Great Cleave)

    Can someone explain to me how you can take Great Cleave when you need a BAB of 4, and a lvl 5 druid, lvl 1 monk splash only has a BAB of 3. Now if I just go druid all the way to 6, I can get the feat and wait until 7 for splashing monk, but that isn't what the build shows on the website that shall not be named. Am I completely wrong with this? I tried creating a lvl 7 to test and ran into that snag when following the build exactly as it's laid out.

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    Could go 2 monk, druid 4 - DDDMDD will not work. Or you could go 6 druid, then monk.

    Either way, that plan that was outlined on bad forums is wrong, unless I'm drunk..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pala-forged View Post
    Could go 2 monk, druid 4 - DDDMDD will not work. Or you could go 6 druid, then monk.

    Either way, that plan that was outlined on bad forums is wrong, unless I'm drunk..
    You're probably drunk but so am I. I guess getting the 2 monk quicker would be better anyway for their evasion/feats. I guess 2 druid/2 monk, then druid on up is the best way to go to 'follow' that path. It does seem to be a nice efficient dps build to kill off those horrible TRs that we all loathe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esmarelda View Post
    Okay for those of you who know this build, maybe someone can explain something that I think is incorrect...

    Level 1, Druid (Feat: Cleave)
    Level 2, Druid
    Level 3, Druid
    Level 4, Monk
    Level 5, Druid
    Level 6, Druid (Feat: Great Cleave)

    Can someone explain to me how you can take Great Cleave when you need a BAB of 4, and a lvl 5 druid, lvl 1 monk splash only has a BAB of 3. Now if I just go druid all the way to 6, I can get the feat and wait until 7 for splashing monk, but that isn't what the build shows on the website that shall not be named. Am I completely wrong with this? I tried creating a lvl 7 to test and ran into that snag when following the build exactly as it's laid out.
    I'm not sure where or how you've gone wrong here, I've been using this build for a long time now (you'd hope so since I created it)

    Druids and monks are both a 3/4 BAB for feat qualifying purposes. 0.75 BAB * 6 levels = 4.5 BAB ie. able to pick up great cleave at level 6.

    If you want help feel free to ask over there, I'll try figure it all out with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fTdOmen View Post
    I'm not sure where or how you've gone wrong here, I've been using this build for a long time now (you'd hope so since I created it)

    Druids and monks are both a 3/4 BAB for feat qualifying purposes. 0.75 BAB * 6 levels = 4.5 BAB ie. able to pick up great cleave at level 6.

    If you want help feel free to ask over there, I'll try figure it all out with you.
    Well let me ask it here since I think the concept is great and it looks good. But from creating a lvl 7 char on the server and following the levelling path, level 1-3 is druid. 3rd lvl druid BAB is +2. Then take 1 monk, BAB +0, then 2 more druid, 4th and 5th, BAB is only +3. So at lvl 6, my BAB is +3. Unless I am missing something else, does the enhancements change that, or is the basic math incorrect? And it's not just the math, I tried it on a fresh veteran char, lvl 7 so I should have been able to build up to 7. I want to follow this path because it looks awesome. But maybe I'm doing something wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fTdOmen View Post
    0.75 BAB * 6 levels = 4.5 BAB
    That's not how BAB works. Every level only ever gives +0 or +1 BAB, with no decimals involved.

    Monks and Druids get +1 BAB at (class) levels 2,3,4; 6,7,8; 10,11,12; 14,15,16; 18,19,20. On (class) levels 1,5,9,13,17 they get no BAB.

    The build posted in the OP has five druid levels and one monk level. Level one monk gives 0 BAB, leaving only five druid levels to work with. Druid gets BAB at 2,3,4, for a total of 3 BAB on a 5/1 druid/monk.

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    Last post on the subject here. I'll help more there, but I don't want this thread picking up google hits.

    I'm not sure what's going wrong for you, I don't have access to a pc for the next couple of days to check what's changed for myself either.

    In the mean time. Go pure druid from 1-6, then just pick up monk at 7 & 8. That'll sort your BAB out by 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EllisDee37 View Post
    That's not how BAB works. Every level only ever gives +0 or +1 BAB, with no decimals involved.

    Monks and Druids get +1 BAB at (class) levels 2,3,4; 6,7,8; 10,11,12; 14,15,16; 18,19,20. On (class) levels 1,5,9,13,17 they get no BAB.

    The build posted in the OP has five druid levels and one monk level. Level one monk gives 0 BAB, leaving only five druid levels to work with. Druid gets BAB at 2,3,4, for a total of 3 BAB on a 5/1 druid/monk.
    I prefer to think of it as .75, but only a whole number counts. And it's the exact same as yours.

    .75 (0), 1.5 (1), 2.25 (2), 3 (3), which is level 1-4.
    You're still right of course, 5/1 is only 3 BAB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esmarelda View Post
    Level 1, Druid (Feat: Cleave)
    I'm curious how you're taking Cleave at all; is this a human and you just forgot to list Power Atk? And if so, what feats were you planning to take on your monk splash?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fTdOmen View Post
    I'm not sure where or how you've gone wrong here, I've been using this build for a long time now (you'd hope so since I created it)

    Druids and monks are both a 3/4 BAB for feat qualifying purposes. 0.75 BAB * 6 levels = 4.5 BAB ie. able to pick up great cleave at level 6.

    If you want help feel free to ask over there, I'll try figure it all out with you.
    well when I looked at this build "over there"

    It is listed as such, and that could be the problem you are having.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connman View Post
    well when I looked at this build "over there"

    It is listed as such, and that could be the problem you are having.

    Human
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    4 monk

    5 druid

    6 monk
    Yes, it has to be 4/2 which is 3BAB + 1BAB instead of 5/1 which is 3BAB + 0BAB.

    When I did this build I ran it with fighter levels (doing fighter/monk lives) and always took the first fighter level at level 5 to take Great Cleave a level early. For non-fighter/monk lives 4/2 is the way to go.
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    if this thread could be locked or even deleted, that'd be great.

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