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    Default Cannith = Epic hard server !!

    Don't get me wrong there is some guilds and a few tight knit circles . But out side of that EE pugging is dead with quests above lvl 25 !!

    Kills me that no one has any .... to pug things on EE . I had maybe one pugg in a month to run EE what goes up , And we completed , Was tuff but we did it !!

    Turbine hurry up with this supposed endgame , So hopefully some of my real guild members come back !!

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    And there's a reason for that.

    The vast majority of players on the server fall into the "highly mediocre or worse" category of skill level. Therefore, if one were to post for EE Stormhorns quests with the intention of accepting everyone, he/she would almost definitely end up with people who aren't capable of helping in that sort of content.

    It's more efficient to gather your group of friends and/or guildies, because you know that they'll actually contribute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capricorpus View Post
    And there's a reason for that.

    The vast majority of players on the server fall into the "highly mediocre or worse" category of skill level.
    Inflamatory Wordage Capri.

    Let's give a couple of examples:

    FOOTBALL {SOCCER} - English League System tops out with the Premier League, and going down we see the Championship, Division 1, Division 2, The Conference and many more.

    Even the Conference could be easily described as very much beyond "Highly Mediocre" though those teams have very little chance of beating one from the Premier League it has been known to happen in the FA Cup {and of course in Friendlies}.

    TENNIS - You try playing against someone ranked 900 in the World - They may not be as good as the Top 10 but they're way above "Highly Mediocre".


    Now you know me {or at least you think you do} and my views so I'll say this one more time:

    I AM NOT UBER! Not Even close!

    But I take exception to the opinion that NOT UBER = USELESS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by murf201 View Post
    Don't get me wrong there is some guilds and a few tight knit circles . But out side of that EE pugging is dead with quests above lvl 25 !!

    Kills me that no one has any .... to pug things on EE . I had maybe one pugg in a month to run EE what goes up , And we completed , Was tuff but we did it !!

    Turbine hurry up with this supposed endgame , So hopefully some of my real guild members come back !!

    1.Try putting up your own EE LFM instead of complaining that there aren't any.
    2. i regularly put up EE quest and pug them on cannith
    3.Today i logged on and did 4 EE pugs in a row all of which went absolutely fine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capricorpus View Post
    And there's a reason for that.

    The vast majority of players on the server fall into the "highly mediocre or worse" category of skill level. Therefore, if one were to post for EE Stormhorns quests with the intention of accepting everyone, he/she would almost definitely end up with people who aren't capable of helping in that sort of content.

    It's more efficient to gather your group of friends and/or guildies, because you know that they'll actually contribute.

    HAHAHAH -

    kind of funny that the person ( mme cannith guild union) who wanted to set himself up as spokesperson for the server thinks that most of the players suck at the game.......;
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    Default Ouch, wowza, omg, did you really just say that!

    I have participated in Hirosue's EE runs and must say they were more than enjoyable.
    Tha banter was funny, he was helpfull to players new to EE quests.
    His charasma is a +8
    his Intelligence is a good +24

    Hirosue i bow before you and pay you respect. You are a born leader and im greatfull for all your help. You told me where the ttraps were you, held me at the rest shrine you buffed me more time then i can count.

    Hirosue...... I think im in love.
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    EE is FUN!

    Maybe OP has some problem with grouping... I would never wait for a divine, if fvs, bard or cleric joins, it's cool, if not... well, probably there will be some death, but it's always a good opportunity to laugh.

    People are doing EH/EN because it's FAST. You need 6.6m xp, and lots of comms, so you run those you can finish in a blink.
    What goes up EE is not a 10 minutes quest. And won't give ya ~120k xp like a 12 min EH VON 3. Sad but true.

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    There are many reasons why people don't run quests on Epic Elite...

    Time - Generally (no always) EE quests take longer to complete then EN or EH. Some people have limited time and choose the lower settings to get more in


    Uncertainty - EE quests have differences in how they are run over EN/EH - Reading stores here at the forums some might get the impression that you have to be the best of the best (build/gear/knowledge) in order to even step in. This in itself can cause people to shy away from running at this difficulty.

    Also included here is the uncertainty of being ready for such a challenge. Personally I find a player needs only a few things to be ready for EE content. 1) Proficiency with their character [understanding strengths and weaknesses] 2) A good attitude, willingness to roll with the punches and even fail [sometimes a group of individuals cannot become a team even for a short while]

    Part of this uncertainty also comes from members of the community not willing to teach new to EE content players, but to just do it and accept that they through their actions forced an other party member to pike the quest. This happens in quests where a person learns shortcuts/paths/techniques for bypassing the unnecessary parts of the quest in a desire to simply complete the quest by doing the end fight. A good example of this would be quests like Trial by Fury or End of the Road. Personally I feel if a persons first time on EE is with a group like that they will gain nothing, because they can't keep up because they don't know where to go. No one really likes being left behind when they want to run the quest.

    Skill - Yes there are some people that even with the best build/gear in the game are simply not ready for EE play. This could be from a number of different aspects. To me it does not necessarily mean the "Suck". It could just mean they have not learned enough.

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    A couple of us in my guild actually spent time learning how to run EE content and we take the time to not only teach/encourage other guild members to run this content, but we also help non-guild members that join our groups to also learn the quests and help remove the uncertainty they may feel about running at that difficulty. Yes, I've been in groups (Guild and PuG) that have steamrolled EE and also groups that have struggled or even failed EE. But I will say some of the most fun has been when the group pulled together to take a hard to beat.

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    Thing is quite simple, time you tried to put your ee lfms up were at times when not so many player play..

    Another reason is being known..
    I know this reason might not be important.
    But honestly would you rather join a ee from someone named lolsrslywhy or someone you know that can make the quest go faster and who knows it and completes all ee in all kind of weird builds/even if elitist.

    Its not about attitude and skill alone, its about steping in with people who know how to do it..

    So its mainly experience with ee-s.

    You see 2 lfms up: 1 is ee -doing first time and 2nd is ee Byoh

    I know both options arent good. But honestly which do you prefer of those 2?

    When me and buddy put ee pugs up /quit offten lately as we iconic tr alot/ we usualy fill prety fast..

    So no ee isnt dead, its just that the good ee lfms are filled fast.

    Or roll a fotm build and solo if you rly have a hard time filling your lfms.. That option is always available

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    I accept anyone in my runs regardless of hp/build/experience , That doesn't mean anything to me . I do not wait for perfect parties at all , And i constantly throw lfms up ! So that isn't the problem .

    Today i was a bit lucky though got about 5 EE's completed through pugs , I take plenty of first timers through well under geared and under level . I actually find that more enjoyable . There's a few points a few of you made that are well in the right perspective !!

    Alot of people as you said don't feel that there chars are up to it , built right / geared right / experienced / etc .

    But it really is quite simple outside of a few quests and raids on EE .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capricorpus View Post
    And there's a reason for that.

    The vast majority of players on the server fall into the "highly mediocre or worse" category of skill level. .
    hahahahaha

    Im glad you are giving everyone of us not on Cannith a chance to bask in your holy glory of awesomeness.

    Im not on your server, but feel free to squelch me anyway. hahahaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by FranOhmsford View Post
    ...But I take exception to the opinion that NOT UBER = USELESS!

    Mediocrity is a far cry from being a wizard in Unyielding Sentinel bragging about his AC and trying to wail wraiths. Yes, that example is based on an individual I encountered in a FoT a while back.

    Unfortunately, when you see a name that you don't know hitting the lfm, you've got no clue if he's going to practically solo the quest or die immediately upon encountering his first monster. You can't exactly ask them if they're useful, since most people think they are, so the easiest course of action is to go with people you know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hirosue View Post
    HAHAHAH -

    kind of funny that the person ( mme cannith guild union) who wanted to set himself up as spokesperson for the server thinks that most of the players suck at the game.......;
    You obviously didn't read that thread if you think that the idea was to make myself "spokesperson for the server". Using perspectives was difficult when attempting to explain the idea, but I don't see how you managed to misinterpret a failed attempt at communication as some sort of power play.

    Regardless, I don't recall saying in that thread (or in any other) that I personally believe that everyone is equally good at the game, and I'm not sure why you seem to think my views (which, at best, would've counted for one vote) were likely to impact a theoretical organization that had the theoretical purpose of consolidating many opinions coming from all sorts of players from elitist to casual, along with everything in between.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LOOON375 View Post
    hahahahaha

    Im glad you are giving everyone of us not on Cannith a chance to bask in your holy glory of awesomeness.

    Im not on your server, but feel free to squelch me anyway. hahahaha

    Pft, me, use Holy Aura? What do you think I am, a bad?

    I've heard most of the players on Cannith are mediocre or worse, so you should probably be careful whose holy glory you're basking in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capricorpus View Post
    Mediocrity is a far cry from being a wizard in Unyielding Sentinel bragging about his AC and trying to wail wraiths. Yes, that example is based on an individual I encountered in a FoT a while back.

    Unfortunately, when you see a name that you don't know hitting the lfm, you've got no clue if he's going to practically solo the quest or die immediately upon encountering his first monster. You can't exactly ask them if they're useful, since most people think they are, so the easiest course of action is to go with people you know.



    You obviously didn't read that thread if you think that the idea was to make myself "spokesperson for the server". Using perspectives was difficult when attempting to explain the idea, but I don't see how you managed to misinterpret a failed attempt at communication as some sort of power play.

    Regardless, I don't recall saying in that thread (or in any other) that I personally believe that everyone is equally good at the game, and I'm not sure why you seem to think my views (which, at best, would've counted for one vote) were likely to impact a theoretical organization that had the theoretical purpose of consolidating many opinions coming from all sorts of players from elitist to casual, along with everything in between.

    hahah. you take incomprehensible gobbledygook to a whole new level cap. Well done.

    ps. i read through your entire cannith guild union thread and understood completely what you wrote. If you didn't actually mean what you wrote try using simple English sentences instead .
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    Attitude of the players may have something to do with it.

    I pug EEs at times. I'll join others, or start my own. Most of the time, all is well.

    You get a few elitist types, although I've mainly noticed those when I join others LFMs, and not people joining mine. For the most part, I'm OK with that. If the star wants to have a "no bad" policy.... while I think it is better to help the folks learn not to be bad, I also understand that sometimes you're not in the teaching mood. That can often be work, and quite mentally taxing. While I just don't lead EE pugs if I'm not willing to deal with that, I can see others having different tactics.

    But... some people are just jerks. Not even on purpose. The last EE Pug I led (one guildie plus the first 4 to hit the LFM), random joking around managed to include disparaging remarks about women, blacks and homosexuals, in the span of about 20 minutes. And really, I don't think the guys meant any harm... but if you were one of the maligned groups, I'm sure you'd feel less welcome. I'm sure it would turn off plenty of people who weren't maligned, just due to sympathy. Perhaps I was extra sensitive because a female guildie was in the group (she doesn't use voice, and I'm sure they all had no idea), but still... it was out of line. Not so much that I'd report it, block them, or even call them out moreso than I did in the party chat (which I did), but it was out of line.


    So.... if you want encourage a healthy Pug scene, on top of everything else....

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    To make this thread more constructive, what could help encourage people to try and succeed in EE quests? Is there a written guide for people thinking of doing EE?

    I'm hesitant to join EE pugs because I want to be able to carry my own weight. Reasons why I suspect I might not include:

    1) Guild doesn't generally do EE so I don't have much experience in them.

    2) Lack of EDs. My main is melee oriented but has not opened a suitable ED yet (LD or Fury), much less capped one. The EDs will come eventually, but I might TR (again) before that happens.

    3) Build. Horc clr18/ftr2 works for me but has nothing like the damage output or saves that "EE" builds on the forums talk about.

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    EE on cannith is fine. Are you really expecting there always to be EE lfm's up? I join EE pugs for the challenge. EE with my guildies is just too easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stoerm View Post
    To make this thread more constructive, what could help encourage people to try and succeed in EE quests? Is there a written guide for people thinking of doing EE?

    I'm hesitant to join EE pugs because I want to be able to carry my own weight. Reasons why I suspect I might not include:

    1) Guild doesn't generally do EE so I don't have much experience in them.

    2) Lack of EDs. My main is melee oriented but has not opened a suitable ED yet (LD or Fury), much less capped one. The EDs will come eventually, but I might TR (again) before that happens.

    3) Build. Horc clr18/ftr2 works for me but has nothing like the damage output or saves that "EE" builds on the forums talk about.

    Hmmm... I wrote some guides for guildies, and even noticed I wrote one specifically about surviving in EE. It is over a year old, and reading it now, a tad laughable (layers of defense.... great. including AC as a layer? what was I smokin....).

    In general, you should be fine. I'd just go in Angel (mainly for renewal) or Sentinel (for survivability, but the AoE LoH is like a bunch of extra regenning bursts). You won't be particularly effective on your own, but if you keep other folks healed, no one should mind. Obviously gunning for a real Melee destiny is ideal. Personally, for a sometimes melee sometimes healer, Fury seems superior for the CC angle.

    Buildwise, needs are overblown. Most of the EE builds you see tossed about are for soloing EEs. But, not completely. The higher level the base content, the harder the EE. Just start with basic Eveningstar EEs, or old (not GH) Eberron EEs. Even in those, a handful get pertty tough (In the Belly of the Beast, for example). Once you feel pretty confident in those, give EE GH a shot. Wheloon and Stormhorns are harder still.

    So, for EE What Goes Up... yeah, you'd want to bring a pretty strong toon along to a Pug to be doing anything more than increasing scaling. On the other end, I imagine I could solo Rusted Blades with a lvl 20 specifically designed to be gimpy (although I may need to do some shopping first). Rusted blades is a bit of a straw man (if done right, you only have to kill one guy that swings back like a lvl 1 kobold), but the concept is valid. Start with Eveningstar, work your way up.
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    The biggest piece of advice for EE's that I can give is player tactics. I'm no pro in EE (and I'll admit that I made this mistake once or twice when I first started doing them), but the biggest mistake I see people make is trying to keep the same playing style that they've used for EH and lower difficulties. Generally, people will need to drastically alter their play style in order to survive and be effective in EE content.

    For example: zerging EE will get you killed very quickly; getting yourself separated from the group will get you killed very quickly; being reckless when kiting things around and drawing aggro from other nearby monsters will likely get the group killed quickly. When starting to do EE's, you need a group that's okay with taking things slowly, one fight at a time and taking on as small groups as possible. You need to learn how to control aggro as a ranged/spellcaster, and as a melee you need to learn how to maneuver constantly so that you are in striking range of the smallest number of monsters. As you go along, you'll probably learn some tricks and strategies that use the map or terrain to the greatest advantage in an encounter.

    It'll be very, very painful and slow going starting off. Personally though, as I'm not really a min/max kind of player, I find the challenge that EE offers is some of the most fun I've had in this game in a long time.

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    send tells to daahoud/jiak, he will play with you

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