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    Quote Originally Posted by zDragonz View Post
    The game states only rogue or artificers are allowed to find it.
    That's traps not secret doors my monk finds them rather easily just need some points in search on higher lvls

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    Quote Originally Posted by zDragonz View Post
    closed. done debating. It is a stupid bug and we know it. Please stop.
    Its not a bug they changed it since TS is so common now they wanted a point to having secret doors which there wouldn't be if everyone and their brother could find them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uska View Post
    Its not a bug they changed it since TS is so common now they wanted a point to having secret doors which there wouldn't be if everyone and their brother could find them.
    Oh, but they DO want everyone and their brother to find them - provided they pay, of course.
    It's definitely an N-word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HungarianRhapsody View Post
    The only ones that I can personally think of are the 1st or 2nd catacombs quest (can't remember which of the two it is) and VoN4's 2nd shrine that is needed if you burn through your spell points.
    Not been to Catacombs in forever but since people are completing it and there is no nerd rage about it that they cannot complete it, your going to have to be far more specific about what secret door is there that is preventing you from completing the Quest.


    As for VoN 4, opening that door is NOT required to complete the Quest and you know that.

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    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qhualor View Post
    As far as I know, none. That's why I said the DC for secret doors that are required for quest progression were lowered so every build can search for them.

    The only stat runes I am aware of that were lowered for quest progression was Von 3 and I believe Wiz King shrine room.
    And you are 100% correct.

    Progression doors are so low, the lowest common denominator can find them alone OR with the use of an Item that are available to everyone and do not have to use the store, just some intelligence - gods forbid that!

    Was not VoN5 lowered as well? No matter, I was trying to make a point that how long before we have a 6INT Barb complaining that he cannot open some INT runes and refuses to wear an INT item, group with someone, or whever else that can be done to bypass it.

    Everyone wants the easy button and refuses to put forth any effort to overcome obsticles, just wants those obsticles lowered so there would be no point in having them anyways. Become rather sickening.

    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Not been to Catacombs in forever but since people are completing it and there is no nerd rage about it that they cannot complete it, your going to have to be far more specific about what secret door is there that is preventing you from completing the Quest.


    As for VoN 4, opening that door is NOT required to complete the Quest and you know that.
    Its not about what is required. This is about people being able to have fun playing how they have been able to play for 7 full years now. For a long time you guys have touted you play the entire game when coming down on zergers and xp/min insane repetition crowd and now youre supporting something that takes the ability to play an entire quest away unless someone rolls a toon that has spot/search as a class skill or is willing to pay for DSD. This is a direct contradiction in logic. Which is it? Do you support playing the entire quest, or do you support forcing people to play on a straight and narrow path where bonus XP isnt for them because they didnt play a class that can spot /search and are not willing to pay money to gain back an ability they used to get free of charge through an in game item?
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Everyone wants the easy button and refuses to put forth any effort to overcome obsticles, just wants those obsticles lowered so there would be no point in having them anyways. Become rather sickening.
    This would have alot more validity if Turbine wasnt selling the full on easy button in the store. The minute anyone trys to use game balance as an excuse for this type of nerf ima continue to remind them that circumvention of said game balance is sold in the store. If we were really concerned with people having to group together to get all secret doors or concerned with them having to invest character wise to detect them, there wouldnt be a p2w solution in the store for it. They dont care if people put forth the effort or not, they care if more people pay to bypass.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    one Solo solution for non rogues,the Crystal Cove pots,work rather welll ,up to Epic Hard(not sure on Epic elite,not run alone ,up there yet )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    Which is it? Do you support playing the entire quest, or do you support forcing people to play on a straight and narrow path where bonus XP isnt for them because they didnt play a class that can spot /search and are not willing to pay money to gain back an ability they used to get free of charge through an in game item?
    This is a false dilemma argument. You are attempting to force a choice between A and B, diverting attention away from options C, D, and so forth.

    If a specific quest cannot be competed after the Secret Door update, that quest contains a bug that requires correction. Once that particular Secret Door works as intended under the new rule set, the quest will once again function correctly for everyone.

    One can support the Secret Door rules changes AND that all quests remain completable by all characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annex View Post
    This is a false dilemma argument. You are attempting to force a choice between A and B, diverting attention away from options C, D, and so forth.

    If a specific quest cannot be competed after the Secret Door update, that quest contains a bug that requires correction. Once that particular Secret Door works as intended under the new rule set, the quest will once again function correctly for everyone.

    One can support the Secret Door rules changes AND that all quests remain completable by all characters.
    you should read what he said again. its not a choice between A and B. hes talking about enjoying the quests as a whole for the past 7 years and than the devs decided one day to say "hey, secret doors isn't working the way it should. we should fix it". certain people on the forums were telling people to slow down the zerg and enjoy the game and than these same people are also ones that approve of the secret door changes and now tell people to invest in a cross class skill for most builds to get a high enough search to find secret doors and enjoy the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qhualor View Post
    you should read what he said again. its not a choice between A and B. hes talking about enjoying the quests as a whole for the past 7 years
    Yes, but insisting how much we enjoyed running level 21+ quests with permanent True Seeing seven years ago does not make the argument any less false.

    Seven years ago we did not have level 21+ quests nor an abundance of permanent True Seeing items. So I am little curious how you and Chai managed get used to something since seven years when it didn't even exist back then?

    Quote Originally Posted by Qhualor View Post
    certain people on the forums were telling people to slow down the zerg and enjoy the game and than these same people are also ones that approve of the secret door changes ...
    Maybe that's because these are largely the same people who also don't like easy buttons and thus don't mind a particularly dumb easy button having went away.

    Quote Originally Posted by Qhualor View Post
    ... and now tell people to invest in a cross class skill for most builds to get a high enough search to find secret doors and enjoy the game.
    There is a simple fix. Next time you cannot find a secret door simply pretend your toon has an inkling there is one but cannot find the mechanism to open it. True Seeing isn't supposed to reveal that anyway. Frankly, if your enjoyment of the game hinges on finding secret doors you may want to consider rolling a toon capable of searching for things. The rest is no different than if I throw a tantrum how my Monkcher cannot enjoy the full games by being unable to disarm traps or open locks.

    The rest reads no different than arguing ever since resurrection cakes all our toons should be permanently impervious to damage since damage could lead to character death and with cakes we have a bypass for that condition. Also, our toons being dead can prevent us from enjoying the whole quest. It's just silly.

    Speaking of which, I am still waiting for a sound argument how it is not silly that standard and secret doors are both openly visible to everyone, but unlike standard doors, secret doors will glow in bright colors and have an audible queue to make nigh impossible to even accidentally miss them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qhualor View Post
    you should read what he said again. its not a choice between A and B. hes talking about enjoying the quests as a whole for the past 7 years and than the devs decided one day to say "hey, secret doors isn't working the way it should. we should fix it". certain people on the forums were telling people to slow down the zerg and enjoy the game and than these same people are also ones that approve of the secret door changes and now tell people to invest in a cross class skill for most builds to get a high enough search to find secret doors and enjoy the game.
    All sorts of crazy.

    Can we please fix ACTUAL BUGS instead of things most people couldn't care less about?!?!?!

    I was disappointed in this new development. I forgot to take Detect secret doors on my sorcerer, should fix that... but my FvS is SOL. Most of my mains have the spell or the skills points for search/spot. My FvS barely had enough points for what she needed, same with my druid actually.

    Forcing people to group for secret chests and optionals is not going to make for a healthy grouping environment. There's too much else pulling in the other direction... Real life, scaling, real life (oops did I say that twice :P), randoms being not always fun, real life... oh there it goes again, woot.

    I have some options on my FvS:

    1. Party with random other people - dude, that's a headache I really don't need anymore, thank you pugging scene or wait for friends with rogue to come with me (or dual-box?! lol)
    2. Buy a rod - oh YAY
    3. Buy a rogue hire in heroics - YAY
    4. Only play epics (since epic rogues are available for in game coin)
    5. Never do any optionals/never hit any optional chests
    6. Not play my FvS
    7. Not play DDO

    Spending points into search, not possible. Barely had enough for heal, spellcraft and concentration. I think I'd go with 4, 5, 6 or 7. I'm playing my sorcerer and artificer for now, their toys were not taken away over and over... Yay for less reason to play my divine. I can't even get into my poor divine monkcher that is strapped for anything or my druid... No optionals for them ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    Please describe where one can find a full level range of rogue hirelings, where plat can be paid to purchase.
    90% of Heroic secret doors can still be found with detect secret doors and true seeing.

    Epic secret doors can be found by rogue hirelings bought with plat

    But you keep crying P2W like you do in every single thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dandonk View Post
    Oh, but they DO want everyone and their brother to find them - provided they pay, of course.
    Or you could invest a few points in search. It's not hard... There are +20 search items... GH, Good luck, epic skill points, pull out an INT item when needed.

    You don't have to pay... Try not being such a one-trick pony... Give up 2 points of CON (after a few Primal Epic TRs, you'll get the hps back), and grab 6 points in INT... Now you can afford search easily, and you get a +3 to the skill.
    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Troll View Post
    We are no more d000m'd then we were a week ago.
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    When you stop caring about xp/min this game becomes really fun. Trust me.
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    The impact of such a thing that this game has made us report to. I could not find my 3 charged cloak of detect secret doors. I either gave it away or it got deleted. If it got deleted then I agree that the game is cherry picking us and is milking us for cash! If it did not then detect secret door items are worth a ton!

    still the wands( from the store) are class specific only and I could not use them anyway! Bard, sorc, wiz only I do not have any thing in UMD! tf kind of game is this anyway!
    melee can't solo any type of secret door solo, yet melee is considered solo-able. brain fart?

    Even though the Store says class only (yet all classes can buy it regardless), like I stated, can any class use them? Would be a terrible thing to buy such a wand that is sold and viewed by all classes, but yet only use-able by a few classes in fine print, like it is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrudh View Post
    90% of Heroic secret doors can still be found with detect secret doors and true seeing.
    you pulled that number out of your arse. i sold off my DSD clickies because after the low levels they pretty much stop working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qhualor View Post
    you pulled that number out of your arse. i sold off my DSD clickies because after the low levels they pretty much stop working.
    agreed. Low level clickies do not work.

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    fight club?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PermaBanned View Post
    zChoicesz have zConsequencesz
    well said!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powskier View Post
    one Solo solution for non rogues,the Crystal Cove pots,work rather welll ,up to Epic Hard(not sure on Epic elite,not run alone ,up there yet )
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