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    Default Trying to build a solid EK with DPS, survavibility and high casting capabilities

    Hi,

    I am thinking on TRing one of my toon for its 3rd life (after 2 previous monk lives, not pure ones) ... and I want to try for him a melee caster one, based on the new EK tree ... I had a deep look in the forum for ideas that would suit him, took a lot of different information and advises, and finally come to this idea of build = a drow wizard 17 (PM + EK) with a Monk 3 splash (Ninja Spy), fighting centered with 2 short swords (I have very nice shortswords already, including a Lit 2 GS one).

    I designed the following path-forward, paying attention to the Heroic level up (I personally do not like perfect builds at level 20 that are terrible to play until you reach the "Golden 20th level").

    And it should indeed be quite easy to level up with this build as =

    - you will fight with 2 shortsword, centered from lvl 1
    - you will have nice saves and evasion from level 2
    - you will fight with you dex bonuses from lvl 3
    - you can buff yourself from lvl 4
    - you can cast web from lvl 6, Fireball from lvl 8, Firewall from level 10
    - you can be in Vampire form from lvl 9 and use your death aura to heal from level 10
    - you can be in permanent tenser from lvl 12 (same lvl when you'll gain ITWF and can equip your GS weapon ... it will rock)
    - you can be in wraith form from lvl 15
    - Master of form at lvl 18 and Grandmaster at lvl 21
    - you'll have access to the wizard 9th level spells
    - very nice dodge values, especially at high lvl with the right gear, combined with incorporability from wraith form.

    Here is what it gives (without any equipment, I have nice stuff to equip it), please do not hesitate to critize it if need be ...

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    Thyram 3
    Level 28 Lawful Neutral Drow Male
    (3 Monk / 17 Wizard / 8 Epic)
    Hit Points: 336
    Spell Points: 1767

    BAB: 10/10/15/20
    Fortitude: 11
    Reflex: 19
    Will: 13

    Starting Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
    (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 28)
    Strength 8 10
    Dexterity 18 21
    Constitution 14 16
    Intelligence 18 30
    Wisdom 8 10
    Charisma 10 12

    Tomes Used
    +1 Tome of Strength used at level 1
    +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
    +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
    +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
    +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
    +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 1
    +2 Tome of Strength used at level 3
    +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
    +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
    +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
    +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 3

    I have tomes +3 in Strength, Wisdom and Dexterity also

    Starting Feat/Enhancement
    Base Skills Modified Skills
    Skills (Level 1) (Level 28)
    Balance 8 39
    Bluff 0 9
    Concentration 6 35
    Diplomacy 0 9
    Disable Device n/a n/a
    Haggle 0 9
    Heal -1 8
    Hide 8 19
    Intimidate 0 9
    Jump 3 28.5
    Listen 3 16
    Move Silently 8 36
    Open Lock n/a n/a
    Perform n/a n/a
    Repair 4 18
    Search 4 20
    Spellcraft 4 41
    Spot 3 19
    Swim 1 12
    Tumble 6 18
    Use Magic Device n/a n/a

    Level 1 (Monk)
    Feat: (Selected) Dodge
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting

    Level 2 (Monk)
    Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness

    Level 3 (Monk)
    Feat: (Selected) Augment Summoning (I am not sure about this one, it was initially to boost my skelly pet but I finally decided not to boost it with enhancements in the PM tree)
    Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness

    Level 4 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Empower Spell

    Level 5 (Wizard)

    Level 6 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Selected) Adept of Forms

    Level 7 (Wizard)

    Level 8 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell

    Level 9 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness

    Level 10 (Wizard)

    Level 11 (Wizard)

    Level 12 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting

    Level 13 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Improved Mental Toughness

    Level 14 (Wizard)

    Level 15 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons

    \b Level 16 (Wizard)

    Level 17 (Wizard)

    Level 18 (Wizard)
    Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell
    Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms

    Level 19 (Wizard)

    Level 20 (Wizard)

    Level 21 (Epic)
    Feat: (Selected) Grandmaster of Forms

    Level 22 (Epic)

    Level 23 (Epic)

    Level 24 (Epic)
    Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes

    Level 25 (Epic)

    Level 26 (Epic)
    Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting

    Level 27 (Epic)
    Feat: (Selected) Epic: Ruin

    Level 28 (Epic)
    Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Hellball

    Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Drow - Drow Intelligence (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Henshin Mystic (Mnk) - Riddle of Fire (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Ninja Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Acrobatic (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Agility (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Sting of the Ninja (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Ninja Spy (Mnk) - Dexterity (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Dark Reaping (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Shroud of the Zombie (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Shroud of the Vampire (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Shroud of the Wraith (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Necrotic Touch (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Deathless Vigor (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Spell Critical: Negative Energy I (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Negative Energy Conduit (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Negative Energy Conduit (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Negative Energy Conduit (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Spell Critical: Negative Energy II (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Bone Armor (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Bone Armor (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Bone Armor (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Necrotic Bolt (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Spell Critical: Negative Energy III (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Intelligence (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Spell Critical: Negative Energy IV (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Intelligence (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Eldritch Knight = 34 remaining points to get Eldritch tempest + tensers' transformation + Doublestrike at Tier 5

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    Default progree?

    How's this build going? What level are you at?
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    I have almost the exact same build currently around level 10. Only though I had differently was tier 5 in PM for improved shrouding. Bumps your wraith form to 35%,incorporeal which I think is better than the tensors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RavenStormclaw View Post
    Bumps your wraith form to 35%,incorporeal which I think is better than the tensors.
    It's bugged. It bumps your wraith form to 30% instead. Both your buffbar and effects chat report 30%, and I haven't seen any testing yet that proves they are wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhaphael View Post
    It's bugged. It bumps your wraith form to 30% instead. Both your buffbar and effects chat report 30%, and I haven't seen any testing yet that proves they are wrong.
    Hmmm....that's something to think about, still improved shrouding also gives +2 to dex as well which for a dex based build helps to hit, damage, and reflex save. I still think it might be worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Battlehawke View Post
    How's this build going? What level are you at?
    I did not TR yet, i am waiting my 20th Shroud completion to be able to wear the 2 greensteel items I have crafted for this next life ... but I had a drow lvl 9 in stock (1st life) i have LRed her to test the build ... she is now lvl 12 and it rocks, i do quests in group and it is very smooth and easy. And my 3rd life toon will be even more efficient as he will have better stuff / be more optimized.

    I think it is a good and fun build, with a good mixing of spells and melee.

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    My main concern about this build is where you get your healing from until lvl 9 (Vampire). Are you relying on a Cleric/FVS hireling, or only playing this build in groups with a healer?

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    Well, starting lvl5 you would get blur and false life, lvl7 displacement, so there is plenty in ways of dmg migitation early on.
    Healing pots might be enough between fights, or pocketcleric if you are stingy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Battlehawke View Post
    How's this build going? What level are you at?
    Hi,

    Here are some precise data. I am at lvl 12 at this time (I play 3 TR in alternatively)
    This build works very well ... it is fun to play, easy to lvl up in Heroic elite, it has very good survival ability (heals himself via Death Aura + 22 SR + 13 % dodge and 20 PRR + evasion and nice saves + 45 AC in Wind stance).

    Fully equiped and self-buffed + Wind stance, at lvl 12, it gives =

    - 33 DEX and 31 INT
    - 236 PV and 835 SP
    - Saves +21 / +26 / +22
    - +10 % speed attack and + 9 % of doublestrike
    - dmg + 11 due to dext +1d6 acid + 1d6 poison + what the weapon brings (I am equiped with a GS shortsword Lightning II and a holy paralysing shortsword) ... that rocks
    - 120 spell power (without maximize) for fire spells (I do cast a lot of Firewalls and Fireball to support my DPS)
    - summoned creatures and skeletton knight to support me

    And this will progress again with the next levels (permanent tenser + wraithform + improved stances yet to come).

    I hope it could have been of help ... have fun !

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    Quote Originally Posted by stinger31216 View Post
    My main concern about this build is where you get your healing from until lvl 9 (Vampire). Are you relying on a Cleric/FVS hireling, or only playing this build in groups with a healer?
    Yep I mainly play in groups ... simply because it is the way I like it. When soloing in early lvls (no more needed now), I always had a Pocket healer and a pack of 100 pots (best possible ones for my lvl). Sincerely, Healing never was a concern due to the buffs spells and high survivability of the build.

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    Default Quick questions

    Cool build. I am currently at lvl 7 and having quite a good time. I am also just back to ddo after a long time away and have a few questions (apologies if they are noobish!).

    1. Can you give some guidance on enhancement progression? I've gone ninja spy first and then PM (no points in EK at this point). That means at lvl 7, I can fight in Zombie form (for the extra survivability + self-heal), although attack speed is only at 90% (wind stance buff + zombie penalty). Pretty survivable, but I dont know if its optimal, passable, or just plain stupid.

    2. Why the 1 point in Henshin Mystic for Riddle of Fire? I couldn't discern the benefit (aside perhaps from Wall of Fire utility post lvl 10).

    3. For leveling, Skelly pet or no Skelly pet?

    4. What are your thoughts on Insightful Reflexes instead of Augment Summoning at lvl 3? Worth it for leveling?

    Thanks for the fun build. I've always really wanted to like DDO and then get completely overwhelmed by the build options. I appreciate the guidance!
    Last edited by Pheadron; 04-01-2014 at 02:43 PM.

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    Nice build! I was thinking of getting 3 levels of rogue for trapping and going with a staff instead of duel swords. Are there any benefits of monk I would be missing out on? thanks!

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