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    Default Bard: Spellsong Vigor now single-target?

    https://www.ddo.com/en/update-20-patch-1-release-notes:
    Spell Song Vigor now only affects a single target (as per its description)
    Then give us back Spell Song Mana Burst! I accepted Mana Burst being removed because Vigor was changed to AOE.

    And combine Wand & Scroll Mastery with Wand & Scroll DC like you said you would!

    Bards need love not nerfs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Backley View Post
    https://www.ddo.com/en/update-20-patch-1-release-notes:


    Then give us back Spell Song Mana Burst! I accepted Mana Burst being removed because Vigor was changed to AOE.

    And combine Wand & Scroll Mastery with Wand & Scroll DC like you said you would!

    Bards need love not nerfs.
    Yes. This is a horrid change, and while bards are great general classes, this was something that helped them be a little better than average...

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    It just means more time singing songs, which is something we don't need.

    OTOH, song casting durations are reported to be shorter and the song of heroism now affects more than one target, so it's kind a of a wash.

    Ah, the life of a bard in DDO. One step forward, one step back. I can understand it though... the balance of power needs to be maintained and great care must be made to be certain bards don't ever overpower monks.

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    How is it a nerf when that's the way it's supposed to be, and it's how it used to be?

    It wasn't WAI.
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    NVM, brain fart.......
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    Default Bard: out of all the classes did the devs really decide that they needed a nerf

    1: First it was the song of capering, the duration for the song to land is so long now you're better off casting Ottos Irresistible twice instead, making it pointless

    Fix: put it back the way it was you could actually use it to on beholders really well, now by the time the songs finished your about -9 neg levels, and disintrigrated

    2: What was the reasoning that you put the SP song back to a single target ?

    Fix: can we find the Dev that nerfed the bard and give him/her a big hug and say... its ok the world isnt all bad, you can now undo your torture of the bard class


    but really... bards are not FOTM, bards arent the most popular class, if anything they're probably at the lower end of classes that are played, so why nerf them.. if anything you could undo these changes and they at least helped bards
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    i dont even play my bard for long time now, but i totally agree with the title... Devs.. seriously?
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    The change to Spell Vigor is annoying but it's not like people will notice in a party full of Sharadi casters and Monks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atremus View Post
    The change to Spell Vigor is annoying but it's not like people will notice in a party full of Sharadi casters and Monks.
    and the devs decided to nerf the bard............


    if anything its the shiradi casters and monks that need to be reigned in a little, not the poor little bards

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    I really dont get it sometimes

    There are combinations that really need to be looking into, abilities that are just silly, classes that every tom, **** and harry is making... yet its the bard that gets the nerf bat...

    I mean really

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    I was just on Cannith and saw an lfm for a lvl 27 pure bard soloing one of the new quests. The comments said "at boss, need help not enough dps to kill". And he was on casual. Sounds like a pretty freaking epic class there.

    This is why bards need to be nerfed. They are waaaaaaaaaay too overpowered.

    And really, every class should be capable of soloing quests on casual. Either remove the stupid "red name blanket immunity" mechanic, or give the bard some real tools for dps. Gear, a better Warchanter pre, something.

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    Perhaps our bard songs were cutting into profits too deeply???

    As for crowd control, the bard has long been shafted by the devs at Turbine. If gnome is truly coming... I want to see illusion spells FINALLY make their way into the game for bards. Its time to give bards a rework to put crowd control back in the class... and make it better than it was before.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LeslieWest_GuitarGod View Post
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    Perhaps our bard songs were cutting into profits too deeply???

    As for crowd control, the bard has long been shafted by the devs at Turbine. If gnome is truly coming... I want to see illusion spells FINALLY make their way into the game for bards. Its time to give bards a rework to put crowd control back in the class... and make it better than it was before.
    I disagree.

    I do not know of any other class that can get 130+DC to crowd control abilities.

    Not yet checked myself, but I hope that the Epic Bard blade, name escapes me atm, will allow for the mana song to effect multi allies at once like it does for other songs.

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    It wasn't a Nerf, it was a fix because it previously wasn't WAI.

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    Sure they nerfed bards, but its not all bad. They managed to fix Master of Imbuement for those poor AAs

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    did they make song of capering cast time shorter?

    ps. they didnt fix song of the dead yet and it isn't even on known bugs, but THESE are:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    I disagree.

    I do not know of any other class that can get 130+DC to crowd control abilities.

    Not yet checked myself, but I hope that the Epic Bard blade, name escapes me atm, will allow for the mana song to effect multi allies at once like it does for other songs.
    The DC doesnt determine the validity of good CC. Bards is the only one used at endgame where no one can even look at a mob the wrong way without breaking CC. Have to run with players who you know will cooperate with fascinate. None of the other CC types require group management.

    For spell CC bards need to get mass versions of their hold spells just like arcane does. Spell CC is something that needs to be built for by flocusing on DC and spell pen.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    The DC doesnt determine the validity of good CC. Bards is the only one used at endgame where no one can even look at a mob the wrong way without breaking CC. Have to run with players who you know will cooperate with fascinate. None of the other CC types require group management.

    For spell CC bards need to get mass versions of their hold spells just like arcane does. Spell CC is something that needs to be built for by flocusing on DC and spell pen.
    Really? DC does NOT determine the validity of good CC? You do understand to have valid CC, of any type, you must have a good DC in the first place.

    Since you appear to be clueless about Bards, there is more the just Fascinate available to them - there is a Song the has a chance to break on damage and also adds a lingering debuff.

    Again, really? No other type of CC require group management? Maybe if you only play with yourself.

    Maybe you should get out and play with a Bard that knows what they are doing, or better yet, make on yourself so you will know what your talking about.

    Your post only contains one truth, for a Bard to shine they need to cooperation of every party member and cooperation of any kind is hard to find these days for anyone of any class.

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