You would think that, after obliterating what little endgame DDO had left, they would do something to spur some enthusiasm, but apparently someone at Turbine wants to make a quick buck NOW, rather than make a real effort to keep people playing. And, as you pointed out, it's even more puzzling, because people were buying XP tomes, and pots, and such, and would absolutely have been buying more with an ETR system, if this extra wrinkle hadn't been thrown over the whole thing.
As if grinding out 6.6 million XP wasn't enough of a chore for piddling bonuses like +1 to saves and +3 PRR, you can't even do that and ETR without spending a couple thousand Turbine points, or grinding away even more. It's stupid. Really and utterly thoughtless. And the only comment we get on the matter is, "We're considering it, but we want to make sure that we don't lower the grind too much now, or for the future." Idiots! Mind-blowing stupidity.
So I did try it, twice. And these are my conclusions, and my thoughts about why it is bad and why it marginalizes some forms of gaming.
I hope that posts like yours and mine can contribute to making a better ETR/ITR system. At the least, I had to try.
And yes, I would definitely buy pots and tomes for my epic chars, but that is simply not going to happen now. 1300-1500 TP for these small bonuses... no, I'm not going to keep paying that.
I'm glad they're considering it, but this needs to be acted on sooner rather than later. There is no other form of endgame, so to keep players playing, this needs to be made more playerfriendly.
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I have a similar experience. I'm doing most of my runs in EH (at least now when I'm on a synergistic destiny) and have about 2k comms on a guy since Valor started dropping.
I somewhat lack the EE ability, so I EN when Solo (grinding Primal with a Q-Staff Fighter/Monk) and can normally EH with a group. I have been in 3 EE quests, they take quite a while again melees. First life through I had roughly 1700 comms (taken as EVERY END REWARD). Currently level 22 (mid way through) and at 2436 comms. As a more casual gamer (working on HTR 11), it would take me roughly 2 times through Epics to make a heart, this would include skipping Slayers/Explorer/Rares/Challenges. So the new end game-run to quest, zerg, run to next quest, zerg, don't farm, run a quest once every 2 days to insure the Ransack does not happen.
Working as intended. It's approximately epic life + an additional 10 MM xp to get your heart if you run mostly on EN. It's life + an additional 5MM xp to get your heart mostly on EH. If you run on EE you will get an epic heart during your epic life. Of course all this assumes you don't use any xp pots, etc.
Or pay approximately $8 for an epic heart from the DDO store and you don't need to change the way you run.
If you are VIP you will get a free heart on 12/12 for every epic character you log into.
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Several characters on Sarlona all starting with "Rand" in the Guild "Guardians of House Cannith". My main four characters are Randowl (20 Warlock EA DPS Build), Randslar (Bard 14 / Fighter 4 / Rogue 2 Swashbuckler), Randek (Druid CC Caster 17/Fvs 3) and Randomall (Rogue 20 assassin).
I am confused by Turbine...buy XP pots, XP tomes, and VIP XP bonus to level faster, oh and then buy a ETR Heart. OR don't buy anything and just run the quests to get your ETR Heart. The all in approach makes me glad that my VIP time is just a 3 month experiment, I have my XP tomes from X-pan buys, and I don't buy XP pots.
I want to thank turbine because now I will finally get my completionist feat, this etr thing is boring, epic pl feats are not really worth the trouble, I wouldnt be getting any favor/tp while doing it, epics are boring, no raids to do, so whats the point.
Epic TR works great for a few reasons, grinding 20 Shroud Runs, maxing out Relic Weapons, and uh grinding old Epic Items?
my attempt to bypass etr and comm farm is playing gw2 at the moment. €24 for the whole game was too tempting.
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Just hit level 27. 5,263,990 XP and 2366 vcomms. I've been focusing mainly on quests where (vcomms earned * 6.6 million xp / quest xp) > 4200, but I've also been doing some EAG and Midnight Greetings farming that don't really provide the right number of comms/xp. Also, our weekly raid nights include von5/6, which really kills the comms/xp ratio. It feels crazy to post that it's bad to run a quest because it gives too much xp. I think that Turbines calcs are probably right if you play the way they want you to, but nobody wants to play that way.
Said this on another thread, and I'll add it here. Turbine's intent is to make you work to get a free Epic Heart. There is no intent to give one away just from leveling from 20-28, nor should there be imo.
Just as with Heroic Hearts, there is going to be repetitive, boring, and sometimes unwanted re-running of quests. That's why it's called "work", not "play". I don't see a problem here, despite the vocal members who seem to think just leveling from 20-28 deserves a free Epic Heart.
/e looks at first line of sig...
There is no free lunch.
- Quijonn on Ghallanda, Triple Completionist ---> 3350 HP Unbuffed ---> 3405 HP Unbuffed ---> 7447HP Buffed (17,693HP total) ---> 130 CON
- Monster Manual, Known Issues ---> <string table error; tableDID [0x00000000] token [0x00000000]> ---> All Epic Quests EH and EE, XP/Min, Comms/Min
- The Stormreach Campaign ---> The Stormreach Campaign Blog ---> Enhancements in PDF format ---> Saga's simplified
- Quality of Life Fixes
Dandonk, look above at the post you've thanked Standal for making. While Standal disagrees with the method of questing involved, he validates Turbines statements that leveling from 20-28 will get you close to the number of CoV's necessary for an Epic Heart. Your not wanting to play the way Turbine has calculated the CoV returns doesn't change the simple fact.
The Epic Hearts are not free. They take time and effort on a player's part to earn. That you don't have to pay solid world money to earn that is reward enough, imo. Again, these are not intended to be free giveaways just for leveling any way you want from 20-28. As with any other reward in game, the intent here is to make it require time and effort rather than being a giveaway item just for playing the game your way on your schedule.
There is no free lunch.
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