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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    I outlined in another thread how someone could buy a monk geared for 80+ QP DC without ever having to play one iota of the game other than opening the DDO store, eating tomes, and equipping gear. Anyone looking at this objectively would call this p2w. f2p would need ages of farming to acquire all the stuff needed to attain this if they were starting fresh. Bust out the credit card and they can have it today.
    Just broke down the highest possible I could think of on a first life monk using p2w.

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    18 wisdom Quivering palm
    7 levels
    5 tome 10 base
    3 epic feats 10 1/2 monk level
    11 item 36 wis mod
    4 ocean stance 3 gmof core tactics
    5 insightful (shintao void dragon) 13 shattering item
    1 exceptional 6 exceptional mastery
    2 capstone 2 helf dilly
    3 class enhancement 6 legendary tactics (twist)
    1 helf enhancement 2 Epic Tactics (ED Feat)
    3 surge enhancement
    2 ship buff 88 Highest possible quivering palm on a first life monk.
    2 yugo
    2 store pot
    3 alchemical potion
    5 ED
    2 Acute instincts twist
    2 bard song
    1 twist
    82 wisdom (36base)
    Please let me know if i missed something, 90 has to be possible.

    Edit, got it:
    4 profane wisdom can be obtained from eating all the abishai cookies.

    86 wisdom, 38 base.

    90 Quivering palm, first life.
    Last edited by fTdOmen; 12-04-2013 at 05:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fTdOmen View Post
    Just broke down the highest possible I could think of on a first life monk using p2w.

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    18 wisdom Quivering palm
    7 levels
    5 tome 10 base
    3 epic feats 10 1/2 monk level
    11 item 36 wis mod
    4 ocean stance 3 gmof core tactics
    5 insightful (shintao void dragon) 13 shattering item
    1 exceptional 6 exceptional mastery
    2 capstone 2 helf dilly
    3 class enhancement 6 legendary tactics (twist)
    1 helf enhancement 2 Epic Tactics (ED Feat)
    3 surge enhancement
    2 ship buff 88 Highest possible quivering palm on a first life monk.
    2 yugo
    2 store pot
    3 alchemical potion
    5 ED
    2 Acute instincts twist
    2 bard song
    1 twist
    82 wisdom (36base)
    Please let me know if i missed something, 90 has to be possible.

    Edit, got it:
    4 profane wisdom can be obtained from eating all the abishai cookies.

    86 wisdom, 38 base.

    90 Quivering palm, first life.
    What helf dilly gives 2 quivering DC?

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    They will never take out the otto boxes its just way to lucrative.

    I know some people on my server who basicly paid for their completionist toon
    With 8 stones +..

    I always did it the fair way life 15 now with only 1 free stone used and its a pain in the
    Neck to grind out those last 3 lives.. But the alternative is forking out 50 dollar a life wich i rather
    Spend on other things.

    So yea i agree with most people here it is p2w

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gempoult View Post
    What helf dilly gives 2 quivering DC?
    fighter, t4


    • Master Tactics: +2 to the DC's of your Tactical abilities. This enhancement cannot be taken if you possess the Tactics enhancement from the Kensei tree.
      • Requires Half-Elf Dilettante: Fighter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    Hmmm, look here, theres a flaw in your summoning circle. /breaks free...

    I agree with Sirgog. Quality content is the way to longevity.
    Sorry, Chai. He's still got you all summoned here. You only thought you broke free, but if we look at this objectively, you're here doing his bidding and explaining about p2w.

    Just like in the spell. Just like in the spell, Chai.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sirgog View Post
    People that paid RMT companies to powerlevel them used to get banned for cheating. Now the paid cheating is encouraged.
    CHEATING

    v.intr.1. To act dishonestly; practice fraud.
    2. To violate rules deliberately, as in a game: was accused of cheating at cards.


    Paying someone else to power level your character violates the rules deliberately. Purchasing items within the game and using them per the rules does not violate the rules.


    ERGO, try again.

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    I think the balance has gone too far towards P2W. I would like to see more achievement in game, rather than inflated by dollars. That includes better favour rewards, quest chain or favour only reward unlocks or persistent benefits that survive TR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fTdOmen View Post
    Just broke down the highest possible I could think of on a first life monk using p2w.

    Code:
    18 wisdom Quivering palm
    7 levels
    5 tome 10 base
    3 epic feats 10 1/2 monk level
    11 item 36 wis mod
    4 ocean stance 3 gmof core tactics
    5 insightful (shintao void dragon) 13 shattering item
    1 exceptional 6 exceptional mastery
    2 capstone 2 helf dilly
    3 class enhancement 6 legendary tactics (twist)
    1 helf enhancement 2 Epic Tactics (ED Feat)
    3 surge enhancement
    2 ship buff 88 Highest possible quivering palm on a first life monk.
    2 yugo
    2 store pot
    3 alchemical potion
    5 ED
    2 Acute instincts twist
    2 bard song
    1 twist
    82 wisdom (36base)
    Please let me know if i missed something, 90 has to be possible.

    Edit, got it:
    4 profane wisdom can be obtained from eating all the abishai cookies.

    86 wisdom, 38 base.

    90 Quivering palm, first life.

    Looks like you forgot Improved Sunder...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zammied View Post
    If only i knew about ottos box then!
    So you've been complaining about P2W almost as long as the C-man?

    Nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Postumus View Post
    CHEATING

    v.intr.1. To act dishonestly; practice fraud.
    2. To violate rules deliberately, as in a game: was accused of cheating at cards.


    Paying someone else to power level your character violates the rules deliberately. Purchasing items within the game and using them per the rules does not violate the rules.


    ERGO, try again.
    To murder someone is to make their biological functions stop.

    To murder someone with permission is called assisted suicide.

    You can still be arrested for assisted suicide.

    Your rules are not always true and thus invalid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Postumus View Post
    Looks like you forgot Improved Sunder...
    I lol'd
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    Quote Originally Posted by fTdOmen View Post
    fighter, t4


    • Master Tactics: +2 to the DC's of your Tactical abilities. This enhancement cannot be taken if you possess the Tactics enhancement from the Kensei tree.
      • Requires Half-Elf Dilettante: Fighter

    K, thanks, didn't know about this one. Wouldn't it be still easier and better to go dwarf/warforged and splash 2 fighter for total of 6 more DC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gempoult View Post
    K, thanks, didn't know about this one. Wouldn't it be still easier and better to go dwarf/warforged and splash 2 fighter for total of 6 more DC?
    not really.2 fighter levels loses you 1 DC from monk level / 2, you can no longer get the helf dilly, and you lose access to 2wis from the capstone so fighter is a net -1 DCs cs pure helf.

    Dwarf could be good, but it removes 1 racial point of wisdom, 3 action surge points of wisdom, and prevents you picking up the fighter dilly. so -2from fighter, -2DC's during action surges, overall netloss of 1DC (for theory crafting)

    16/2/2 dwarf
    -4 vs pure
    -3 vs pure (3dc from losing -6 wisdom vs pure helf (1helf racial, 3actionboost, 2capston)
    you gain
    +3 dc dwarf
    +1 dc kensai (since we just factored out the wisdom above)
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    net loss 3DC. (note this is theory crafted around actionboosts, ingame 16/2/2 will work out just fine)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Postumus View Post
    Looks like you forgot Improved Sunder...
    I actually forgot an even more P2W Iconic race!

    Introducing Purple Dragon Knight.

    Wisdom Charisma Quivering Palm
    • 18 wisdom
    • 7 levels
    • 5 tome
    • 3 epic feats
    • 11 item
    • 4 ocean stance
    • 5 insightful (shintao void dragon)
    • 1 exceptional
    • 3 class enhancement
    • 1 PDK
    • 3 actionboost
    • 2 ship buff
    • 2 yugo
    • 2 store pot
    • 3 alchemical potion
    • 5 ED
    • 2 Acute instincts twist
    • 2 bard song
    • 1 twist
    • 4 profane (abishai cookies)
    • 84 wisdom (37 base)
    • 18 cha
    • 5 tome
    • 10 item
    • 5 insight
    • 1 exceptional
    • 1 enhancment (racial)
    • 3 actionboost
    • 1 enhancement (henshin)
    • 2 ship
    • 2 yugo
    • 2 store bought
    • 2 alchemical
    • 4 abishai
    • 2 song
    • 58 cha
    • 10 base
    • 8 monk levels
    • 37 wis mod
    • 8 third of cha mod
    • 3 gmof core tactics
    • 13 shattering item
    • 6 exceptional mastery
    • 3 Kensai
    • 6 legendary tactics (twist)
    • 2 Epic Tactics (ED Feat)
    • 96 First life Subtotal
    • 1 completionist wisdom
    • 3 fighter pastlives
    • 100 Highest possible Quivering palm

    I splashed 2 fighter for PDK. it's cost me 2 capstone wisdom and 2 quivering palm DC's.

    I've made that up in saved AP's by getting 3kensai tactics and evening out my cha and wisdom. The DC overall is the same, but splashing fighter nets 2 extra action boosts.
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    I'd think people would have more of an issue with the raiders box and non-dropable stones in the store.
    Way I figure it, anything dropable from the store is avaiable to all. It takes me 8 hours tops farming to make the 3.5~mil to buy a Bigby's. I only farmed once for 6 mil for an otto's, the rest came from selling gsings/eberron/fragrant-lightningsplit/equip/etc.
    Just by gathering collectables and doing DA I make enough extra cash every two or three lives to buy an Otto's box. Few farm sessions and life becomes easier.

    The people who use ottos to get full completionist without questing now need pp and equip. Why not take advantage?

    Personally, I am a bit more peved at having to buy ETR stones. Just broke down and purchased 2xETR and 3XITR stones. As well as going VIP for the free stone. Overly hard to farm them, so the option is to pay to progress. On the otherhand, I guess we should expect to pay something. The game can't survive without at least a few dollars from everyone(just wish the stones cost about half as much or store purchased ones were dropable).
    *best $50 investment. G602.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doawithlife View Post
    The game can't survive without at least a few dollars from everyone(just wish the stones cost about half as much or store purchased ones were dropable).
    *best $50 investment. G602.
    There are good p2w-free mmos that survive with a one-time investment of €40 (and below) per player. imho ddo is greedier and more p2w than ever and far more than necessary or justifiable. i think p2w ruins the game, of course people who buy p2w content can not understand this. I wonder why I should even spend a minute in the game playing when I (or others) can simply buy my (their) uber completionist with some hundreds of dollars. For the funny endgame? The sad thing is there is no way back.

    Really, bring a new server, where p2w is locked in store, i.e. no xp pots, no stones, no tomes, no shards etc. and I will be happy to play there. Problem solved. I will not even waste a thought (neither on forums nor ingame) about the other servers. p2w (especially xp stones and store tomes) is a failed experiment, it is time to realize it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by morkahn82 View Post
    There are good p2w-free mmos that survive with a one-time investment of €40 (and below) per player. imho ddo is greedier and more p2w than ever and far more than necessary or justifiable. i think p2w ruins the game, of course people who buy p2w content can not understand this. I wonder why I should even spend a minute in the game playing when I (or others) can simply buy my (their) uber completionist with some hundreds of dollars. For the funny endgame? The sad thing is there is no way back.

    Really, bring a new server, where p2w is locked in store, i.e. no xp pots, no stones, no tomes, no shards etc. and I will be happy to play there. Problem solved.
    Until then, you will continue to gnash your teeth and carry on the struggle of playing in this environment, as much as it pains you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirgog View Post
    EDs at least feel like content and are a one-off purchase. Similar in that sense to Druids.

    I never objected to paying for things that obviously had a lot of developer hours go into them (although the ED system made the game worse, IMO).
    For me EDs don't feel like content at all.

    They're more like few extra gear slots that can be filled with uber items, which are handed with enough quest completions to anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Ghoul View Post
    To murder someone is to make their biological functions stop.

    To murder someone with permission is called assisted suicide.

    You can still be arrested for assisted suicide.

    Your rules are not always true and thus invalid.
    Its not murder to pay someone else to do it for you is it?.....................wait...................... .........oh!!!! But what if the state legalizes it? Just as long as you pay your assassins tax your all good right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by morkahn82 View Post
    There are good p2w-free mmos that survive with a one-time investment of €40 (and below) per player. imho ddo is greedier and more p2w than ever and far more than necessary or justifiable. i think p2w ruins the game, of course people who buy p2w content can not understand this. I wonder why I should even spend a minute in the game playing when I (or others) can simply buy my (their) uber completionist with some hundreds of dollars. For the funny endgame? The sad thing is there is no way back.

    Really, bring a new server, where p2w is locked in store, i.e. no xp pots, no stones, no tomes, no shards etc. and I will be happy to play there. Problem solved. I will not even waste a thought (neither on forums nor ingame) about the other servers. p2w (especially xp stones and store tomes) is a failed experiment, it is time to realize it.
    but what if they pw2 then pay to transfer over to your server?

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