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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Troll View Post
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    People who exploit bugs in code are cheaters cheaters cheaters. And they are big fat ****yheads too.

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    @Troll: Your trolling of Vellrad is very nearly causing him to cross the line. Keep it up so he can earn himself a nice forum vacation.

    @Vellrad: Your apparent hatred/intolerance of anything Troll writes here seems to be causing you disproportionate distress. If you don't earn yourself a forum vacation soon, you may just earn yourself a stroke. Chill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BOgre View Post
    @Vellrad: Your apparent hatred/intolerance of anything Troll writes here seems to be causing you disproportionate distress. If you don't earn yourself a forum vacation soon, you may just earn yourself a stroke. Chill.
    Meh.

    I want to see his stone in lava, is that bad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vellrad View Post
    You should change name to teh_whine, as this is what you do lately.
    3200+ posts in less than 8 months? Try teh_spam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vellrad View Post
    Meh.

    I want to see his stone in lava, is that bad?
    My stone's built up and immunity to lava a long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Troll View Post
    My stone's built up and immunity to lava a long time ago.
    Good, it will stay there forever.
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    People who exploit bugs in code are cheaters cheaters cheaters. And they are big fat ****yheads too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vellrad View Post
    Good, it will stay there forever.
    Not if you rjez meh!

    Back on topic . . . at a minimum the stuff like 1000 cuts needs to go to 20 seconds.
    Last edited by Teh_Troll; 11-27-2013 at 06:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Troll View Post
    Not if you rjez meh!
    So it will stay there.
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    hey you 2... get a room..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Troll View Post
    Not if you rjez meh!

    Back on topic . . . at a minimum the stuff like 1000 cuts needs to go to 20 seconds.
    Maybe not a straight 20 seconds. How about an increase in the duration based on ranger level or dex modifier?

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    I have made a Tempest Ranger, not a fantastic, EE worthy build by any means, but he does ok. I enjoy swinging my dual scimitars around more than leaping about with a bow... always hated Legolas...

    What I find truly strange about it is that the best DPS my guy can manage is when he puts the scimitars away, pulls out a rather lame bow (+2, frost 4, heartseeker 5) and puts on Manyshot. I did not build him to be great with a bow, rather just to have it as a viable option (so about 8 AP in AA, and i made him STR based)

    So, the fact that this is my best offense either says something about Manyshot being OP, or tier 4-5 Tempest stuff being lackluster. I'd say its kinda in the middle somewhere.

    I have not really experimented with all the abilities, but with the ones i have used I would like to see the following changes, at least;

    Dance of Death: Needs to last longer than 6 seconds, or have shorter cooldown. Preferably the first.

    Elaborate Parry: The Dodge bonus it grants shouldn't be capped by armor. This, for me at least, makes it useless. I have tier 3, because i wanted Evasive Dance, but it's not even on my quickbar.

    A Thousand Cuts: Well, not sure with this one, but having it last longer is probably the go. i tried it once or twice and then switched out so i can't really comment too much on it. But, it seemed lame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toaftoaf View Post
    hey you 2... get a room..
    I haven't laughed so much at that comment since someone told me "You two, get a room" when I was arguing with myself out loud.

    I would say Vellrad was crossing the line if his/her/its vitriol was directed at anyone less deserving of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdr View Post
    Pretty much agree with OP, if not with the troll title. There's a ton of good stuff packed into Tempest core and tier 1-3, but tier 4 and 5 are garbage. Bunch of activated attacks that do nothing while having huge cooldowns.
    The abilities aren't weak, they just aren't available enough due to the cooldown/durations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teh_Troll View Post
    Not if you rjez meh!

    Back on topic . . . at a minimum the stuff like 1000 cuts needs to go to 20 seconds.
    I'd rather see the cooldown reduced. It's a pretty significant increase in damage, 20 seconds might be too long. Six seconds would be ok if it had a cooldown of about 45 seconds.

    Edit. Sorry, wrong ability, i was thinking of the doublestrike one. The one you are talking about that adds 10 damage actually isn't bad, it's the one i still have. Still, it could use a slightly shorter cooldown.

    The doublestrike effect is the one i dumped, the cooldown is just too long, by about double.
    Last edited by FestusHood; 11-27-2013 at 09:24 PM.

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    Default I agree

    A Thousand Cuts: 90% Doublestrike, 6 seconds duration, 2 minutes cooldown, 3 AP with + 3 AP prereq (which isn't worth the AP either)

    Shadow Double: 100% Doublestrike, 6 seconds duration, 30 seconds cooldown, 2 AP cost, no prereq


    I don't even have words to describe how bad the Tempest Tier 4 + 5 is designed. Change it please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirgog View Post
    I would say Vellrad was crossing the line if his/her/its vitriol was directed at anyone less deserving of it.
    What I do? I wasn't the one who violated your dingo.

    And regarding me, there is no line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toaftoaf View Post
    hey you 2... get a room..
    Will you hold the camera?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vellrad View Post
    You should change name to teh_whine, as this is what you do lately.
    "Vellrad the cranky" has arrived someone fetch this guy some mead.

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    I'll have to take a look at the trees. Idk, in the middle of the Cleric run for my main. Won't be headed to Ranger until that's finished.

    What's so terrible about the tree (for those who have tried it)? A little more detail would be nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taurean430 View Post
    I'll have to take a look at the trees. Idk, in the middle of the Cleric run for my main. Won't be headed to Ranger until that's finished.

    What's so terrible about the tree (for those who have tried it)? A little more detail would be nice.
    Tier 4 and 5 are really horrible for the short duration/long cool downs. That is the primary problem. A problem not addressed here which I find odd is that you can lose the ability (lag or NPC knockdown) and then have to wait for the cooldown timer. I have 33 (I think, would have to log on to verify) AP's in Tempest and I dropped the T4/T5 because I actually gained DPS by switching to AA and DWS. That is how bad T4 and T5 Tempest currently are. On the flip side, T1-T3 Tempest is one of the best ones currently available Put another way. For my character (standard pre-U19) 18/1/1 build gains significant DPS by having +1[W] w/12 sec. cool down than +3[W] for 6 sec's with 1 or 2/min. cool down. Not sure why this is because Mathematically it should be reverse +2[W] x 10 every 2 minutes vs. +3[w] x 9-11 attacks every 2 minutes. Like I said, mathematically it makes no sense but my kill times on Solo Purple Named in GH show otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by FestusHood View Post
    I'd rather see the cooldown reduced. It's a pretty significant increase in damage, 20 seconds might be too long. Six seconds would be ok if it had a cooldown of about 45 seconds.

    Edit. Sorry, wrong ability, i was thinking of the doublestrike one. The one you are talking about that adds 10 damage actually isn't bad, it's the one i still have. Still, it could use a slightly shorter cooldown.

    The doublestrike effect is the one i dumped, the cooldown is just too long, by about double.
    I found both abilities to personally be a DPS loss. Maybe with ED's/end game weapons they are better but for 1-20 they were very much a DPS loss thanks to what I posted above and the cool down which have already been mentioned. Extending the duration would provide more benefit than decreasing the cool down; or overhauling T4/T5 would also work.

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