What good is having those people stick around, if it means the game wont even have a chance of meeting WBs expectations? At least this way they stand a chance of doing so if they are in as dire straits as they appear to me to be.Yes and no. Push us too hard and we push back. Make the $$$-grab too obvious and more and more people will get the reverse reaction and stop spending. I stopped my VIP already at Shadowfail, a guildie ended it with the 4200-tokens, and I've seen forum posts about people stopping potion/box buys.
In addition to the active stop on spending, the huge grind of 4200 comms drains the will to play. From the three of our guilds active players one is enjoying things, farming EE:s with a capped toon and having fun. The two others practically stopped playing, it felt like too much bother even to log on to see if there's anything happening. The upcoming BTA change restored my faith a tiny bit, I've actually logged on since that, and even occasionally done a quest or two. But, unless the cost is lowered, I don't see myself playing very long. Drawing numbers from this small sample, 33% of players continued playing (but didn't start buying hearts), 33% stopped/lessened playing and 33% stopped/lessened playing and canceled VIP.
I can imagine that one dude in our guild might buy a reinc heart from store, so that would even out 1 month of lost VIP. So I guess that's nothing lost, the loss will not come from the earnings in this quarter.
Better to hang one's hopes on a leaky life raft that probably will sink than a ship that you know will.
So..... are we ever gonna get some comments or response to the suggestions or concerns raised here?
I believe that there is a communication problem between us (your customers, the players) and you (devs, turbine folks).
So, to put it as simple as possible:
With the current drop rate, it is the number of CoVs needed for the heart, that is the main problem. Drop it to 2500 maximum and we will be happy. Well, most of us anyway, some ppl will never be happy.
CoVs may stay BTC, they may not auto-stack (thou I agree that its unpleasant), that is all secondary. The primary and main problem is the number of CoVs needed.
I want to ETR and run the hamster wheel. But Right now, ETR is either P2P aspect of the game, or something that can only be earned by playing the game like it is my job.
And since we are in the situation, where there is litterally nothing to do on capp, that is hurting you. I rarely logg, because I have no idea what I would do.
I pay for DDO. I am unwilling to pay for heart. I am bored by almost non-existent epic capp game. I cant TR without farming till my eyes bleed. I will stop playing and paying, since I am loosing reasons to logg into the game anymore.
I am a very casual player to start with.
I find that getting true heart is very difficult unless I sit and grind for them. Since I have characters who have to group, I never thought of this game as solo but it has turned that way I finding it hard to play my epic characters. tHen running into bugs of the saga rewards disappearing before you can use it??(reported a month ago).
I currently have 2 epic characters, my 'main', only call it that because it hold the most favor, who I started to moving to the new cap. Between the 2 of them, maybe 100 commodation of valor, I should of thought they would been bound to account not character. So, maybe by middle of next year or year after Ill gain enough CoV to be useful. But then again, I have only 1 TR with 1 past life so far. So they just something I have to figure where to put them.
I finding with all the equipment you want to hold for a next life clutters up your bank(s). Adding another item to keep track of... At least you can pool them into one common bank to keep track.
Back to my collections, I been working toward getting the fragment for a heroic true heart, Well After combining all the fragments and such, which has increased many times over since my characters started trying to collect them. I'm still only up to 16 tokens after a few years of casual play.
I still have 28 pt characters in my stables using ehm as bank toons, I thought of bring them active but getting them to 20 in the gimp form will not be very enjoyable. Couple of my 28pt characters have true heart of wood they got for some promotion years ago. I am a hoarder of old stuff, but I have been turning lots stuff to essences. But, still wonder how long before the birthday cakes go stale I have xp pots, slayer pots, cakes and cookies that are bound to character on toons who I use as banks, with up to a doz slots used for promotional items.
You know what would be nice to have a way to dump the contents of your inventory and banks to a CSV file or another text file so the people who have mules in the stable to keep track of what you have. I recently sold 8 venom blades (still have a pair on each toon who would use them ) So having another item to track that is character bound is a pain, to add to the collections, essence, trap parts, shards, spell components, pots, cookies, coins, gems , and the list goes on. I keep red and green bags in the shared bank for collecting the materials to on location. But this is a problem (or a challenge ) with most MMNOs learning to manage to limited inventory space.
One other thing to consider is that you guys planned the CoV to be useful for more than just the hearts in the future, as it stands now everyone is picking the CoV because it feels mandatory (picking over loot) if you ever want to ITR/ER. So in its current iteration you really think people are even going to spend their CoV on the other prises?
reduce the amount needed for ITR/ER so you wont have to run all epic content 3 times ! just to obtain a heart , actually after running everything EE you should have plenty CoV to decide whether to farm "bit" more for TR or to spend them on other goodies! and farm later !
I play this game to have fun. Not to get ****ed off because there are artificial barriers in place preventing me, and many others, from having fun.
Jotmon - Let's not forget why we play these games - to have fun - ~
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Update 24: Champions... "whew, it's ok, it's only a red name" .. sad day when trash spawn Champions and their one-shot ignore fort attacks instill more party fear than the Red named bosses.
+1 this is my feeling at the moment : out of whack
Been reading the whole thread and many other messages
In the forum talking about a fair value of 2200-2500 com
Of valor worth the grind.
As many others i will wait for a reaction from turbine to
Playerbase..if not i will be connecting once in a while
Until they come back to earth with decent correction
On this ..
Anamalia level 28 - 1911 com of valor...
Money money money pink floyd
**Anamalia level 25 Cleric **
Guild Stealer of souls
I hear from many that I play with that the money grab is getting overdone. I for one do not want to buy hearts of wood. It totally destroys the point of earning turbine points through VIP. I would have to do nothing else but buy hearts or wait for sales of them.
The valor needed and the valor given out just do not make sense to me. I get 8 to 15 generally, so I need to run quests daily to get anywhere as it is now. Which, real life happens and this can not always be done. It frustrates people.
The bank space taken up...wow there is a issue. Maybe it is time to give us new space. I would not mind earning it, but there is just too much to keep track of now. With a TR having to empty out their TR cache on top of it all, another frustration! This I believe is the number one complaint of people I know. There just is not enough room to store things. Taking away the ability to store bags in a shared bank, makes it all that much worse, quivers as well.
The heart seeds is kind of like the epic token making to TR. I think that makes sense. I still think it should be lowered a bit, maybe 3,000.
Why not make it 20 epic dungeon tokens to buy any heart (iconic, true, epic, etc)? Gives us a reason to go back to Eberron and quest, in which most of us run quests anyway.
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