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    So I've been thinking of lr ing my pre update 19 pally/rogue 18/2 evasion dps build into a 17/3 pally/rogue dex based dps evasion survivor build using the new dagger in the back rogue enhancement which uses dex for damage with light weapons. This what I have so far. Feel free to tear it apart. Thanks.

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    Thebornagain Avenger
    Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Female
    (17 Paladin \ 3 Rogue) 
    Hit Points: 290
    Spell Points: 215 
    BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
    Fortitude: 18
    Reflex: 21
    Will: 11
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength              8                     8
    Dexterity            18                    26
    Constitution         14                    14
    Intelligence         10                    10
    Wisdom               10                    10
    Charisma             16                    18
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               8                    12
    Bluff                 3                     5
    Concentration         3                     4.5
    Diplomacy             3                     4
    Disable Device        4                     6
    Haggle                3                     4
    Heal                  2                     5.5
    Hide                  4                    10
    Intimidate            3                    19
    Jump                  3                     4
    Listen                0                     2
    Move Silently         4                     8
    Open Lock             8                    14
    Perform               n/a                   n/a
    Repair                0                     0
    Search                4                     8
    Spellcraft            0                     0
    Spot                  1                     3
    Swim                 -1                    -1
    Tumble                5                     9
    Use Magic Device      7                    18.5
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Deity) Favored by Vulkoor
    Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 2 (Rogue)
    
    
    Level 3 (Rogue)
    Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse
    
    
    Level 4 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 5 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 6 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Dodge
    
    
    Level 7 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 8 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 9 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 10 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 11 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 12 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 13 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 14 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 15 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 16 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 17 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 18 (Paladin)
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    
    
    Level 19 (Paladin)
    
    
    Level 20 (Paladin)
    Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Drow - Drow Dexterity (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Drow - Spell Resistance (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Drow - Drow Dexterity (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Drow - Ambidexterity (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Drow - Ambidexterity (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Drow - Ambidexterity (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Drow - Improved Dodge (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Drow - Improved Dodge (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Drow - Improved Dodge (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Knife in the Darkness (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Dagger in the Back (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Shiv (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Shiv (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Dexterity (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Fiendslayer I (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Courage of Heaven (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Fiendslayer II (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Improved Courage of Heaven (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Attack Boost (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Attack Boost (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Damage Boost (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Damage Boost (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Damage Boost (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Sacrifice (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Sacrifice (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Sacrifice (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Vigor of Life (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Exalted Smite (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Exalted Smite (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Exalted Smite (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Charisma (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Passion (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Passion (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Passion (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Charisma (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Holy Retribution (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Holy Retribution (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Holy Retribution (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Sealed Life (Rank 1)

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    Depends on what weapons you plan on using but Weapon Finesse isn't needed if you stick to daggers/kukris/quarterstaves (with a bit of investment in thief/acrobat).

    The enhancements...not sure I'd go that deeply into Drow.

    The feats...I'd find a way to free up enough build points to pick up Power Attack. Precision is meh as a stance with only 3 rogue levels and decent but not crazy crit profile and you really want something to boost damage. You have a free feat slot in your build so that's not an issue - just have to meet the 13 str requirement.
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    First off, with the changes to Divine Might, there's not much point in going DEX-based on a paladin (or battlecleric/FvS); you're just needlessly gimping your DPS. Second, I don't like any melee build which doesn't have Power Atk; that req's base STR 13. Third, if you're trying to think of a rog / pally build that's a little offkilter, consider STR-based rog 5 / pal 15 using kukris or daggers: pick up Knife Spec from Assassin for the crit bonuses; while pal 15 provides two lvl 4 spell slots (Zeal and CSW or DW).

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    First draft of what I was thinking of:
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    Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.03
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    Level 28 Lawful Good Drow Female
    (15 Paladin \ 5 Rogue \ 8 Epic) 
    Hit Points: 361
    Spell Points: 260 
    BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
    Fortitude: 16
    Reflex: 16
    Will: 9
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 28)
    Strength             16                    24
    Dexterity            16                    17
    Constitution         12                    14
    Intelligence         12                    12
    Wisdom                8                     8
    Charisma             14                    16
    
    Tomes Used
    +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8
    +2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
    +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
    +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 20
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 28)
    Balance               7                    15
    Bluff                 2                    11
    Concentration         3                    23
    Diplomacy             2                    11
    Disable Device        5                    24
    Haggle                2                    11
    Heal                  1                    30
    Hide                  3                    11
    Intimidate            2                    11
    Jump                  6                    18
    Listen               -1                     9
    Move Silently         3                    11
    Open Lock             7                    15
    Perform               n/a                  n/a
    Repair                1                     9
    Search                5                    26
    Spellcraft            1                     9
    Spot                  3                    13
    Swim                  3                    15
    Tumble                4                    12
    Use Magic Device      6                    34
    
    Level 1 (Rogue)
    Skill: Balance (+4)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Disable Device (+4)
    Skill: Heal (+2)
    Skill: Jump (+3)
    Skill: Open Lock (+4)
    Skill: Search (+4)
    Skill: Spot (+4)
    Skill: Tumble (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
    Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 2 (Paladin)
    Skill: Heal (+3)
    Feat: (Deity) Follower of the Sovereign Host
    
    
    Level 3 (Paladin)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
    
    
    Level 4 (Rogue)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Disable Device (+3)
    Skill: Search (+3)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
    
    
    Level 5 (Paladin)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Heal (+2)
    
    
    Level 6 (Paladin)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Cleave
    
    
    Level 7 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+3)
    Skill: Search (+3)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
    
    
    Level 8 (Paladin)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Heal (+2)
    
    
    Level 9 (Paladin)
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 10 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+3)
    Skill: Search (+3)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
    
    
    Level 11 (Paladin)
    Skill: Concentration (+1)
    Skill: Heal (+2)
    
    
    Level 12 (Paladin)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Concentration (+2)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 13 (Rogue)
    Skill: Disable Device (+2)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Search (+2)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
    
    
    Level 14 (Paladin)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 15 (Paladin)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
    
    
    Level 16 (Paladin)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 17 (Paladin)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 18 (Paladin)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
    
    
    Level 19 (Paladin)
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    
    
    Level 20 (Paladin)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Skill: Heal (+1)
    Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Knife in the Darkness (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Shiv (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Shiv (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Shiv (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Venomed Blades (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Damage Boost (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Damage Boost (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Damage Boost (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Accuracy (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Execute (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Damage (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Damage (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Critical Damage (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Killer (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Killer (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Killer (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Sneak Attack Training (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Assassin (Rog) - Knife Specialization (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Hunter of the Dead I (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Courage of Heaven (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Hunter of the Dead II (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Improved Courage of Heaven (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Turning (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Extra Smite (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Might (Rank 3)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Divine Sacrifice (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Vigor of Life (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Exalted Smite (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Exalted Smite (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Knight of the Chalice (Pal) - Vigor of Life (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Holy Bastion (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Extra Lay on Hands (Rank 1)
    Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Extra Lay on Hands (Rank 2)
    Enhancement: Sacred Defender (Pal) - Extra Lay on Hands (Rank 3)
    
    
    Level 21 (Epic)
    Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical
    
    
    Level 22 (Epic)
    
    
    Level 23 (Epic)
    
    
    Level 24 (Epic)
    Ability Raise: STR
    Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
    
    
    Level 25 (Epic)
    
    
    Level 26 (Epic)
    Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
    
    
    Level 27 (Epic)
    Feat: (Selected) Epic: Blinding Speed
    
    
    Level 28 (Epic)
    TWF w/daggers, 7d6 sneak atks, Divine Might, 20% heal amp; there's still 16 APs left, which can go towards, say, SD for defensive stance or Acrobat for Haste Boost & threat reduction.

    Here's a partial "epic starter" gear set of items which can be solo-farmed:

    Armor: Woodsman Leathers, eDuelist Leathers, or eUtility Vest
    Helm: PDK helm
    Goggles: Woodsman Lenses or drow smoke goggles
    Gloves: PDK gauntlets
    Boots: Woodsman Boots
    Belt: ???
    Bracers: ???
    Cloak: Eveningstar wolf cloak
    Necklace: Symbol of Shining Sun
    Ring 1: Signet of Shining Sun
    Ring 2: ???
    Weapons: ML:20 Eveningstar challenge dagger, eSpy Dagger, Sacrificial Dagger

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