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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    I did 5 Quests tonight and have over 200, all high level, all on EE, all in just over two hours.

    Personal gameplay experience in not matching up with "I heard it from a friend" information.
    That's half the story, how much xp did you get? you need to compare the 2.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Sure, doing the right quest level and right difficulty.

    Facerolling EN Red Fens will take one far longer then one doing Underdark, High Road, Or Druids Curse on EH/EE.

    Why do a Quest and only get 18 CoV when you can do one for 45-50? If one wants to take the path of least resistance, 18CoV per run, it WILL take them longer then someone else taking the harder route of 45-50 a run.
    I did an etr, went to do whellon because it was all I needed to finish one of the sagas, it told me I was too low a level :/ ditto stormhorns. Then I remembered von3, ran e hard, got something like 150k xp with the optionals. and what 18 coms? i dont remember. then ran wiz king then von5/6, all pretty similar. hit level 23 with less than 100 comms.

    The problem is, some quests give very good xp and the same amount of comms as same level quests that do not give good xp. so if you are working on leveling up to 28, you should really skip all the good xp quests so that it matches your comm collection rate.

    Either that or just level up quick, put on your better gear, switch back to your main destiny and THEN farm comms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkofDrasnia View Post
    I been trying to get a seal for the AGA and ran snitch 4 times today on EH got 10 or 17 total valcoms for all 4 runs. I have been actually farming xp for destiny since I recently hit 20 on my caster (its a TR char that had never done epics before) so far this week I got 3 levels in magister, 3 in draconic and have 1 level in fatesinger.

    I have a whopping total of 27 valcoms and I am level 23, I haven't seen valcoms in the quests rewards list but 2 times.

    Btw I don't run EE except for when I am specifically farming for endgame loot because I have decided to stay at endgame for awhile which hasn't happened in a long time.

    Myself like many of my guildies are on a TRing wagon where we 1 to 20 do a quick romp in epics and TR again. There is no reason for us to run EE.

    I firmly believe EE is only good for the loot so only run it when I am wanting loot other than that I play mostly duo with my wife and don't want to pug anything but raids.
    You only get CoV for quests that are not ransacked Farming for gear is not going to get you Cov

    1 a day that's the way of the CoV

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    Its wai, dont clutter them with meaningless bug reports that are not even about bugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddmatt70 View Post
    I would recommend that everybody bug report the Commendation drop rate.
    I would advise against that. It's an improper use of the system which won't get the value changed and will put an unnecessary load on the people in charge of checking bugs. Pretty much a terrible idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Sure, doing the right quest level and right difficulty.

    Facerolling EN Red Fens will take one far longer then one doing Underdark, High Road, Or Druids Curse on EH/EE.

    Why do a Quest and only get 18 CoV when you can do one for 45-50? If one wants to take the path of least resistance, 18CoV per run, it WILL take them longer then someone else taking the harder route of 45-50 a run.
    I average 35 comms on epic elite myself. I do the math 6.6 million xp. I am averaging 60k xp or so on epic elite including optionals per quest. I would estimate 60k xp/6.6 million at 110 quests to cap. 110 quests * 35 = 3850 guess that is not as bad as I thought. Still have to repeat quests on epic elite even.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maddmatt70 View Post
    I average 35 comms on epic elite myself. I do the math 6.6 million xp. I am averaging 60k xp or so on epic elite including optionals per quest. I would estimate 60k xp/6.6 million at 110 quests to cap. 110 quests * 35 = 3850 guess that is not as bad as I thought. Still have to repeat quests on epic elite even.
    Agreed, this is the problem. The CoVs were said to balanced for someone running EH. They are definitely not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burningwind View Post
    so confusing.. it seem some people on forum enjoy mindless grind.. it is very hard to understand for me..

    farming million times for an item is one thing..equipment will benefit character even enable build from times to time.. but epic tr? doesn't make you much stronger.. and all you get is to repeat everything all over again.. hmm

    wonder why people want a long boring grind for such item?? perhaps they just want those people who had a life to get away from this game? confusing..
    Personally, I don't see it as an issue of wanting people to do anything. I se it as an issue of grind or pay. The same issue that existed when I chose to play this game in the first place. Want to continue leveling your character, either grind TP's for higher content or buy TP's for higher content. The major difference being this is a more cyclic system that actually has a chance of longer term profitability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Inform your friend that you get more comms from higher level quests and on higher difficulties?

    EN is not going to cut it and will take longer then doing them on EH or on EE.

    Have your friend post what Quests, level, and difficulty. You know Matt that "I heard it from a friend' type info won't fly, especially on these boards.

    I'm doing EE and getting 45-50 each, clearly your friend is not doing that.

    It is not bugged. The amount of comms you get depend on the Quest Level and difficulty. He is either doing low level Epics and/or Low level difficulty.

    If he wants to earn 4200 comms in 6 days he will have to up his zerg plan and adjust to do high level quests on higher difficulties.
    The issue then is using EE as a measuring stick. Where do the majority of players reside as far as difficulty of quests played? I highly doubt its EE.
    Advocating repeated nerfs in the name of "balancing the game" then complaining about how DDO is moving away from D&D, is a direct contradiction in logic - D&D 3.5 (what DDO is based on) is not a balanced game. We can either have a balanced clone MMO with homogenized classes, or we can have a D&D game. We cant have both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Inform your friend that you get more comms from higher level quests and on higher difficulties?
    I love how people who have no idea what they're talking about just chime right in with utterly facile ****.

    Yes, you can get 60 comms from a quest... if you're level 26 so you can even enter it (you know there is a 4 level under limit, right, even though level means nothing once you hit 20 thanks to destinies). And then only a couple times a day, and then only in a handful of quests of that level.

    The reality is, that unlike what the devs said, you cannot go 20 to 28 running hards. Spend most of an hour getting a raid together and running VoN5 and 6 on EH like the devs say you should and you get... 16 comms.

    If you were stupid and oh, bought an epic tome of learning when they were on sale right before the update... and now you can hit 28 getting even LESS comms. Use those XP pots you got... guess what, you get 1900 comms by the time you reach 28.

    The guy he's talking about solos EE stormhorns regularly. He didn't "face roll fens". Thanks for your help though.

    I'm currently on track for maybe 2200 comms by 28. I've stopped using XP pots, obviously, but unfortunately I can't get a refund on my pointless XP tome.

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    The numbers are way too high

    I just hit level 27 and have like 1950 comms, about 2-300 of those I picked up from previous end rewards and doing the two new quests prior to ER'ing.

    I have 900k xp to go til cap, and about 2200 more comms....

    This is going to take a while...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cetus View Post
    The numbers are way too high

    I just hit level 27 and have like 1950 comms, about 2-300 of those I picked up from previous end rewards and doing the two new quests prior to ER'ing.

    I have 900k xp to go til cap, and about 2200 more comms....

    This is going to take a while...

    - No I didnt box
    - Yes I ran a 30% potion
    - Yes, Epic tome of learning
    - XP ship buff
    - 15% vip
    - 5% voice
    So stop being vip, dont buy epic tome, dont use pots and you wont be wasting xp.
    Seems like exactly what turbine wanted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan_Milic View Post
    So stop being vip, dont buy epic tome, dont use pots and you wont be wasting xp.
    Seems like exactly what turbine wanted.
    lol

    uh huh
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    Quote Originally Posted by maddmatt70 View Post
    I average 35 comms on epic elite myself. I do the math 6.6 million xp. I am averaging 60k xp or so on epic elite including optionals per quest. I would estimate 60k xp/6.6 million at 110 quests to cap. 110 quests * 35 = 3850 guess that is not as bad as I thought. Still have to repeat quests on epic elite even.
    After speaking with more people my numbers are off. Some people that have run ee from 20 to 26 have less then 1k comms. They had an xp tome and a 5% xp pot going throughout. Now it is based on the quest level for comms. You get 65 comms for brothers of the forge vs. 25 for a level 21 on ee or something like that. The projections are like 2500 comms or so without an xp pot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cetus View Post
    The numbers are way too high

    I just hit level 27 and have like 1950 comms, about 2-300 of those I picked up from previous end rewards and doing the two new quests prior to ER'ing.

    I have 900k xp to go til cap, and about 2200 more comms....

    This is going to take a while...

    - No I didnt box
    - Yes I ran a 30% potion
    - Yes, Epic tome of learning
    - XP ship buff
    - 15% vip
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    Obviously xp boosts should also increase the number of comms you get for a quest end reward. That should be a fix the devs make on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maddmatt70 View Post
    Obviously xp boosts should also increase the number of comms you get for a quest end reward. That should be a fix the devs make on this.

    perfect solution but would require the servers calculating and just giving them to you just like challenge rewards at quest completion.

    Would also encourage doing optionals like breakables and traps if it was tied to an overall quest "score" just like challenges
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    Fernando has yet to even suggest a nerf of anything.
    Oh and by the way (referring to your sig), we aren't nerfing the Torc.

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    http://ddowiki.com/page/Commendation_of_Valor
    Epic Normal - Dungeon Level and rewarded vcomns
    20 6
    21 8
    22 10
    23 12
    24 14
    25 16
    26 18
    27 20
    28 22
    6 + 2 per level

    Epic Hard - Dungeon Level and rewarded vcomns
    21 12
    22 15
    23 18
    24 21
    25 24
    26 27
    27 30
    28 33
    29 36
    9 + 3 per level

    Epic Elite - Dungeon Level and rewarded vcomns
    22 25
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    25 40
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    30 65
    15 + 5 per level
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnbeimnech View Post
    That's half the story, how much xp did you get? you need to compare the 2.


    I did an etr, went to do whellon because it was all I needed to finish one of the sagas, it told me I was too low a level :/ ditto stormhorns. Then I remembered von3, ran e hard, got something like 150k xp with the optionals. and what 18 coms? i dont remember. then ran wiz king then von5/6, all pretty similar. hit level 23 with less than 100 comms.

    The problem is, some quests give very good xp and the same amount of comms as same level quests that do not give good xp. so if you are working on leveling up to 28, you should really skip all the good xp quests so that it matches your comm collection rate.

    Either that or just level up quick, put on your better gear, switch back to your main destiny and THEN farm comms.

    What does Xp matter to me at level Cap?

    It was 40-50k appx. for each Quest.

    WK, and vons are low level, of course you are going to get fewer comms, that is how it works.

    So, you gained 3 levels and only 100 comms from running low level epics on one could assume EH. Why do that when you can run two quests on EE and get 90? If your goal is to farm comms, then you need to be in L25+ EEs.

    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    What does Xp matter to me at level Cap?

    It was 40-50k appx. for each Quest.

    WK, and vons are low level, of course you are going to get fewer comms, that is how it works.

    So, you gained 3 levels and only 100 comms from running low level epics on one could assume EH. Why do that when you can run two quests on EE and get 90? If your goal is to farm comms, then you need to be in L25+ EEs.
    You are missing the point. The main issue as I see it is this: It was stated by a dev that as one went from 20-28 it would be possible to acquire the needed comms by running EH quests. As you go from level 20-28 you can't always be in L25+ EE's. You need to stop thinking about being at level cap and start considering the process from 20-28.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maddmatt70 View Post
    I average 35 comms on epic elite myself. I do the math 6.6 million xp. I am averaging 60k xp or so on epic elite including optionals per quest. I would estimate 60k xp/6.6 million at 110 quests to cap. 110 quests * 35 = 3850 guess that is not as bad as I thought. Still have to repeat quests on epic elite even.
    See, it is not that bad Matt.

    By your numbers, that is a total of seven to ten (7-10) quests you would need to do again on EE. 7-10 Quests to do again is not the end of the world and is no where near a grind. We may not agree on many things, but I am sure you could find 7-10 quests you would repeat even just for fun or loot.

    Personally, I think it was a mistake to remove CoV from Saga rewards. They should have been there in addition to End Reward lists. We are already doing those Quests, Saga rewards are a bonus to what we are already doing, why not add just a little more icing to the cake....

    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland_D'Arabel View Post
    You are missing the point. The main issue as I see it is this: It was stated by a dev that as one went from 20-28 it would be possible to acquire the needed comms by running EH quests. As you go from level 20-28 you can't always be in L25+ EE's. You need to stop thinking about being at level cap and start considering the process from 20-28.
    Then what we (the Community as a whole) NEED to do is list all EH Dungeons by Level and CoV granted. Add them up and show the DEVs the numbers. They respond to numbers. They like math.

    They will not respond to my friend told me, sky is falling, or anything else much like that as Data. To get a change we NEED to provide information, we have work to do to get that change.

    We need a List of Quest Name, Quest Level on EH, and CoV Rewarded. We need to be accurate and unbiased.

    We can get a change if we work at it, it can be done, it has been done before.

    Instead of all bickering we all are doing, let's get to work and show them.


    Who has a list of ALL EH Quests by Level from Lowest to Highest?

    Quote Originally Posted by hsinclair
    I heard the devs hate all wizards, bards, clerics, fighters, and fuzzy bunnies and only want us to play halfling barbarian/paladin shuriken specialists!

    It's totally true, I have a reliable source. You better reroll now.
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